The Official Ninja Spike Thread (Last Update: 11/12/09) Potential PS1 Tech Discoved.

[A1lion835]

Alright, as I'm sure we've all seen, our uthrow can stagespike a few people on a few stages. This is gonna be where I post results I or T!Mmy or anyone else has found. First, in case you haven't seen this, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf6fhmS9Ytc

Alright, so we know this works vs lucario on PS1. T!Mmy also posted this on AiB:

To everyone:
I found out for myself that this also works on Spear Pillar and Frigate Orpheon. It works on all four edges of Spear Pillar, and only on one of the stage configurations for Frigate - the first one that you start on, under the platform on the left hand side (it won't work on the right hand side with the platform that goes up and down, nor on the pseudo-edge that is made when the platform leaves the stage).

Also, this works on ZSS except for on Spear Pillar.

I did all the above research myself. I doubt it's on Smashboards. XD

Edit:
I just checked this out on SWF and the only info was that it works on ZSS and that there's something weird about Shiek. The U-throw didn't work on Shiek when I tested it, but I'll go take another look at it and see what's odd about her.

In case you didn't want to read all of that, he says that this also works on every ledge on Spear Pillar and the first part of Frigate Orpheon and that this works on ZSS except on Spear Pillar. Here's a list of people we know this can be done to, listed both as Character Stage Stage and Stage Character Character. Feel free to PM me or anyone else researching this with me.

Search a character or stage's name in square brackets [] to find he/her/it/potato.

New!: All links are colored in Tan. If it's in the format (A:BC-D:EF) after part of a list, it means it's in approximately that time frame in the vid.

New!: All paranthetical text that says restrictions for Ninja Spiking or any odd occurrences when Ninja Spiked is colored in Sky Blue.

Characters:



[Bowser]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Captain Falcon]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Charizard]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Diddy Kong]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Donkey Kong]

Big Blue
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Falco]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Fox]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Ganondorf]

Big Blue
Frigate Orpheon
Lylat Cruise
New Pork City (only on the leftmost edge)
Skyworld
Spear Pillar (Top 2 edges send him downwards and slightly behind kirby; bottom 2 edges cause something to interrupt a uthrow kirbycide)

[Ice Climbers]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Pokemon Stadium 1
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Ike]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Ivysaur]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Jigglypuff]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[King Dedede]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Kirby]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Link]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Lucario]

Big Blue
Frigate Orpheon
Lylat Cruise
New Pork City
Pirate Ship
Pokemon Stadium 1
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Lucas]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Luigi]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Mario]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Marth]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Meta Knight]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Mr. Game & Watch]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Ness]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Olimar]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Peach]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Pikachu]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Pit]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[R.O.B.]

Big Blue
Hyrule Temple
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Samus]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Sheik]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Snake]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Pokemon Stadium 1
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Sonic]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Squirtle]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Toon Link]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Wario]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Wolf]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Yoshi]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Zelda]

Big Blue
Lylat Cruise
Skyworld
Spear Pillar

[Zero Suit Samus]

Big Blue
Frigate Orpheon
Lylat Cruise
New Pork City
Pirate Ship
Pokemon Stadium 1
Skyworld
Spear Pillar (only works occasionally)




Stages:


[Big Blue]

Bowser
Captain Falcon
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Falco
Fox
Game & Watch
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Ike
Jigglypuff
King Dedede
Kirby
Link
Lucario
Lucas
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Meta Knight
Ness
Olimar
Peach
Pikachu
Pit
ROB
Samus
Sheik
Snake
Sonic
Toon Link
Wario
Wolf
Yoshi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus

[Frigate Orpheon]

Ganondorf
Lucario
Zero Suit Samus

[Hyrule Temple]

R.O.B.

[Lylat Cruise]

Bowser
Captain Falcon
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Ivysaur
Ike
King Dedede
Kirby
Link
Lucario
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Meta Knight
Mr. Game&Watch
Olimar
Pikachu
Pit
Peach
Samus
Snake
Sonic
Squirtle
Toon Link
Wario
Wolf
Yoshi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus

[New Pork City]

Ganondorf
Lucario
Zero Suit Samus

[Pirate Ship]

Lucario (only on the head of the King of Red Lions, when it's rising)
Zero Suit Samus (only on the head of the King of Red Lions, when it's rising)

[Pokemon Stadium 1] (Upthrow Kirbycide Video)

Ice Climbers
Lucario
Snake
Zero Suit Samus

[Skyworld]

Bowser
Captain Falcon
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Falco
Fox
Game & Watch
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Ike
Jigglypuff
King Dedede
Kirby
Link
Lucario
Lucas
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Meta Knight
Ness
Olimar
Peach
Pikachu
Pit
ROB
Samus
Sheik
Snake
Sonic
Toon Link
Wario
Wolf
Yoshi
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus

[Spear Pillar]

Bowser Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Captain Falcon Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Diddy Kong Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Donkey Kong Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Falco Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Fox Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Mr. Game & Watch Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Ganondorf (top 2 edges send him down and to kirby's back; bottom 2 edges cause something to interrupt a uthrow kirbycide)
Ice Climbers Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Ike Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Jigglypuff Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
King Dedede Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Kirby Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Link Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Lucario (top 2 edges send him horizontally; bottom 2 edges cause something to interrupt a uthrow kirbycide)
Lucas Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Luigi Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Mario Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Marth Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Meta Knight Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Ness Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Olimar Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Peach Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Pikachu Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Pit Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
ROB Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Samus Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Sheik Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Snake Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Sonic Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Toon Link Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Wario Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Wolf Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Yoshi Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Zelda Bottom 2 edges only; something interrupts a uthrow kirbycide
Zero Suit Samus (only works occasionally, testing should reveal why) (top 2 edges send her horizontally; bottom 2 edges cause something to interrupt a uthrow kirbycide)


Other helper-people:

: mad: (formerly straked)
thrillagorilla
BlazingKataKiri


Potential Pokemon Stadium 1 Techinque

Snake can be NS'd on PS1 during the water part of the stage on the left side, the side with the windmill. The popular theory is that Kirby attempts to land on the windmill, but that it changes its angle while Kirby is touching it so that it no longer counts as ground, causing Kirby to slide off and fall below the stage, Ninja Spiking the opponent.

So far, Snake is the only character this is known to work on. Any help researching would be appreciated.

Update List:

3/8/09: Thread Started
3/9/09: Ike added on Jungle Japes; pretty colors!
3/10/09: Evil Mods made me sad when they wouldn't sticky this
3/13/09: Thrillagorilla joins the testing crew
3/14/09: It's pi day!
3/14/09: BlazingKataKiri joins the testing crew
3/14/09: New info on Big Blue, Skyworld and New Pork City!
3/14/09: New info on Lylat Cruise
3/14/09: Added links to a few of the vids
3/16/09: Added a few links to the stages; they'd only been on the character list
3/16/09: Dubbed the Ninja Spike, as T!Mmy suggested
3/20/09: I view this thread after 4 days of not and post a bunch of characters for Lylat, courtesy of thrillagorilla.
3/20/09: Search a character or stage in square brackets to find him/her/it!
3/20/09: New Zero Suit Samus info!
3/27/09: New info: Toon Link on Big Blue!
3/27/09: I began putting "(Last Update: ______) in the title (yes, sad update)
3/29/09: Added the first "New!:" thing
3/29/09: Added colors and sizes to helper people
4/3/09: Added every character on Big Blue
4/10/09: Finally alphabetized the character list!
4/10/09: Alphabetization allows me to figure out which characters were missing; all missing ones added!
4/12/09: Alphabetized all stages in the Character Stage Stage format; added Lylat Cruise and Skyworld for all characters that didn't already have them
4/14/09: New info for Ganondorf on Frigate Orpheon, New Pork City and Spear Pillar!
4/14/09: Alphabetized all stages in the Stage Character Character format
4/14/09: Added second "New!:" thing
4/14/09: Colored update list!
4/14/09: Fixed Skyworld list
4/17/09: New info: Lucario on Pirate Ship!
4/20/09: Finished all alphabetizing!
4/21/09: New info for Zero Suit Samus on Pirate Ship!
4/23/09: Added a limitation on her character stage stage format I'd forgotten to do
5/16/09: Added Spear Pillar for all chars, because it's technically possible on the bottom 2 edges, but then again, it's not technically an NS. Mostly updated so I feel better about the progress >.>
5/16/09: Took Pokemon Trainer off all lists: not a separate char.
9/16/09: Posted new Snake NS on PS1 and what it could mean.

 

[:mad:]

I guess I can test some stuff right now. Any stages you'd recommend before I pluck them at random?

 

[A1lion835]

I guess I can test some stuff right now. Any stages you'd recommend before I pluck them at random?

Nope. Wanna be my first helper-person?

 

[:mad:]

Sure thing. I have some spare time, it's late where I live.

 

[A1lion835]

Welcome, Straked.

 

[:mad:]

Thanks "A1loin". Seriously. Why do people get your name wrong?
As of now, Jigglypuff, Lucas, Snake, and Sonic can't be stagespiked on PS1. Feel free to try it yourself, I didn't get any positive results.

 

[A1lion835]

Thanks "A1loin". Seriously. Why do people get your name wrong?
As of now, Jigglypuff, Lucas, Snake, and Sonic can't be stagespiked on PS1. Feel free to try it yourself, I didn't get any positive results.

It's a shame that we can't recognize some sort of pattern for who gets stagespiked...kirby's uthrow is supposse (lol blanking on how to spell it) to land onstage, but because of something weird, he instead lands slightly below the stage...maybe it's got something to do with unordinary hurtboxes? Like sheik, she's really bendy, ZSS is tall and skinny... does lucario's aura give him something weird in the hurtbox department? I dunno...

 

[:mad:]

Well, after more testing, nobody but Lucario can be stage spiked on the right half of the character selection screen. It might be due to the character design, though. Let's just keep trying.

We already know about Skyland's uthrow stage spike, right?

I think we have everyone done for PS1. I'll test out Castle Siege now.

 

[A1lion835]

Well, after more testing, nobody but Lucario can be stage spiked on the right half of the character selection screen. It might be due to the character design, though. Let's just keep trying.

We already know about Skyland's uthrow stage spike, right?

You mean the one...here?

I'm pretty sure that only works on captain falcon.

 

[:mad:]

Nah, it's not so much of a stage spike as it is a "Bowsercide".
I'm talking about on the very edge how you can take both of you out.

I think it's interesting enough to mention.

 

[A1lion835]

Nah, it's not so much of a stage spike as it is a "Bowsercide".
I'm talking about on the very edge how you can take both of you out.

I think it's interesting enough to mention.

Nah. That's just the usual "there's a ceiling so I can uthrow kirbycide" trick.

Isn't anyone else gonna look at this thread? ;(

 

[:mad:]

I hope so.

Hey, can you test something out for me? I tried Sonic on Japes, and at just the right angle, he bounced to the top of the far right platform, and landed in the water. If we can replicate this at the right time, the klaptrap could get an easy kill.

 

[MK26]

I'm looking at this thread.

But I don't see anything worth looking at yet.

lol jk

I'm not really into Brawl anymore, what with soft-modding my Wii to play B+ and all

 

[A1lion835]

This list is pathetic. We need to do something to make it look cooler...

 

[:mad:]

Add color, pictures, and a joke of the day or something.

Did you test out the Japes theory?

 

[A1lion835]

Add color, pictures, and a joke of the day or something.

Did you test out the Japes theory?

Couldn't do any testing today, but I will tomorrow (maybe).

 

[:mad:]

It's hard to pull off, but it could be worth it. It's probably a once in a lifetime thing, though.

 

[fromundaman]

Okay, forst off, allow me to explain something about Uthrow that I'm not sure if you guys do or don't know:

The reason Kirby can do this weird stage spike thing at all is because he moves backwards a little when he does his Uthrow, while MK moves forward a little.

I'm guessing that due to the shape of the characters' hurtboxes, if part of their hurtbox is under the stage as the throw lands under the invisible floor, they get stage-spiked.



Also, it is possible to stage-spike every character on PS1 by using the windmill. It is incredibly hard to do, and I've only done it a few times by accident, but if you Uthrow so that when you land the windmill's blade is angled a certain way (hard to say for certain because I've only done this once or twice, but I think it was slightly up and left so that the opponent's bounce when they hit the blade goes down and left), it will spike them downwards and away from the stage on the left side.

 

[cAm8ooo]

I'm looking at this thread.

But I don't see anything worth looking at yet.

lol jk

I'm not really into Brawl anymore, what with soft-modding my Wii to play B+ and all

Same here, but these things will probably still work in b+ So it's nice to have a list

 

[8BitRevolver]

i did it to ddd on lylat once but couldnt repeat it

 

[:mad:]

This is actually some pretty cool stuff.
I'll test out Lylat myself.

 

[fromundaman]

That's a good point. Any time the stage shifts away from you (upwards) on Lylat this should work.

 

[A1lion835]

Okay, forst off, allow me to explain something about Uthrow that I'm not sure if you guys do or don't know:

The reason Kirby can do this weird stage spike thing at all is because he moves backwards a little when he does his Uthrow, while MK moves forward a little.

I know that.

I'm guessing that due to the shape of the characters' hurtboxes, if part of their hurtbox is under the stage as the throw lands under the invisible floor, they get stage-spiked.

I...I don't know how I didn't guess that.

Also, it is possible to stage-spike every character on PS1 by using the windmill. It is incredibly hard to do, and I've only done it a few times by accident, but if you Uthrow so that when you land the windmill's blade is angled a certain way (hard to say for certain because I've only done this once or twice, but I think it was slightly up and left so that the opponent's bounce when they hit the blade goes down and left), it will spike them downwards and away from the stage on the left side.

O_o

 

[:mad:]

Lmao A1lion. You're so good at pointing out the obvious.
We already know these things, Mr. From Unda Mam. We're trying to use this to our advantage.

 

[fromundaman]

Oops, my bad then. Just trying to help.

Have you guys tested ROB at all though? His hurtbox is weirdly shaped, so it might work on him.

 

[A1lion835]

Oops, my bad then. Just trying to help.

Have you guys tested ROB at all though? His hurtbox is weirdly shaped, so it might work on him.

Hm...*realizes that if he turns on his brawl, he'll no doubt do wifi, breaking his brawling strike*

Nope. Can't do it.

 

[:mad:]

Lately, I've done one character at a time on every stage at every possible ledge. Which means I only finish maybe 1 character a day, I do have a real life and can't finish it all in one day.

ROB can wait.

And I love the Kirby boards, it has a unique blend of members.

 

[fromundaman]

Meh, no rush. You guys are the ones trying to test this (supposedly...?).

I'm still busy trying to get my testing partner to show up to test IB FSs, so yeah...

 

[:mad:]

Well, I'm the only one doing any of the work... so if you'd like to volunteer, it'd be a big help.

 

[metroid1117]

This is very interesting... good thing Ike isn't anywhere on that list.

 

[:mad:]

I can almost guarantee he will. I've had recent success on Japes with Ike.

 

[A1lion835]

I can almost guarantee he will. I've had recent success on Japes with Ike.

*adds to the OP*

 

[:mad:]

It seems I can pull off the same thing with Sonic on Japes, dude.
You need to test these yourself to confirm it.

 

[A1lion835]

It seems I can pull off the same thing with Sonic on Japes, dude.
You need to test these yourself to confirm it.

I will, I will.

Check out the new pretty colors on the OP!

Edit: also, on JJ, are these on the small platforms, the main platform, or both?
Edit 2: Sticky Pending!
Edit 3: T!Mmy says he tested everyone on PS1 (but he has a Japanese Wii, and it doesn't work on sheik in his, so I'm not sure how reliable his info is. Sowwy T!Mmy...)

 

[momochuu]

I'm err...I'm not sure if this needs a sticky. :x

 

[A1lion835]

I'm err...I'm not sure if this needs a sticky. :x

*sigh*

I know, but it'd make me feel warm inside if I made a sticky thread.

What an 800th post...

 

[momochuu]

*sigh*

I know, but it'd make me feel warm inside and sticky.

What an 800th post...

Okay. My apologies. *Smirk*

 

[:mad:]

It's still a good thread, it's worth keeping alive. ^^;
This can give you an easy stock lead.

You don't have to give it a sticky...

 

[DFat2]

Okay. My apologies. *Smirk*

hohoho, I saw whut you did thar.

 

[A1lion835]

Okay. My apologies. *Smirk*

*cries*

Alright, I get really, really absorbed whenever I try to test this stuff, so I'm not going be able to test this stuff.