Don't pivot grab everything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MkgMiXdFk
Pivot grab everything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7C3GuKDUPQ
Sure, Hylian dropped a ton of grabs as well. But if you look at the frequency each of us get grabs on the same player on the same day per stock (or per minute).. I got 5-6 per stock/more per minute.
And there are only what? 2-3 sonics in the country better than Kid?
The only other real sonic I've faced is Excel, who I believe was PR'd at the time. In a MM I did the same exact thing I did vs Kid, 3 stocked him low percent game 1 and he conceded.
I think there are 2 important points here that need to be made. YES pivot grab can be baited. Yes, it can be punished. But
1) We only have to catch them once on a mistake (which all players make eventually) in spacing/timing/ or read their bait and grab their followup. And they lose an entire stock. If the match starts and they catch you on a pivotgrab attempt. Sonic should not be killing nana right off the bat like many other characters can. Obviously he can kill her, as is seen in Kid vs Hylian. But at the end of the day, playing the baiting and reading game is far more dangerous for them than it is for us.
2) Yeah, it can be baited and punished. But how many sonics have any idea how to do this properly? As you can see, it worked on Kid, it works on Excel, and it's worked on every lesser Sonic I've played. Until they learn how to deal with it, it is stupid to avoid utilizing the technique when it has clearly worked in every instance I've seen it used. Should we avoid every gimmick that can be beaten if the player knows about it? Even when the player DOESN'T know how to get around it? Playing to win means using your opponent's ineptitude against them. If you know roll behind-> grab works on a player, it is foolish not to make use of that. I have yet to see a sonic not fall for this style, so until I see them adapt, in my opinion it would be foolish of me to change.
And that same day on which Hylian and I played Kid, Lain did as well. He asked what Hylian did wrong or if I had any reads on him. I told him to pivotgrab everything and use IB's to force approach if he kept away. Lain drops grabs on uncommon characters just as much as Hylian did in that set, and he did against Kid. But because he went about the majority of the match doing what I just said (yes, with some blizzarding thrown in) the result was very different despite the dropped grabs.
tl;dr: I agree with Lux's mentality. Do it until they prove it doesn't work on them. Which no sonic has shown me as of yet.
EDIT:I think a lot of ICs would perform better if they would accept that many times, simple can be better. ex: 9B & ESAM. Neither rely on fancy desynchs or complicated setups. They do what they see works, and do it well.
![[FBC] ESAM](/data/avatars/l/92/92614.jpg?1365783210){kind=avatar}
