Eww....loads of these reasons are no good. And it doesn't really answer my question. o_o
(I do agree though that he'd show up as playable or not at all. Going through the trouble to make him a AT seems like a waste)
Anyways~
1. Doesn't really matter unless we know how Sakurai responds.
Considering how he's already told us in both the Deoxyes and Saki updates that he turned down both of these heavily requested characters for playable spots, it adds even more proof to how it reflects his and his staff's interests.
2. Source for this? And if its so requested, why isn't it out yet? And even if it is, we already have three characters from it.
For the same exact reason that reason that neither Earthbound or Kirby Super Star is out yet...
3. Again, we already have three characters from SMRPG. And does this guy have any say in Brawl at all?
Correction, we have three characters (well, pretty much four) that represent the entire franchise. Iwata (NoJ's current President) basically described Sakurai as a man that was excellent at connecting people. Melee had more then a 100 people that worked on it and probably only 25% actually played large roles in the development process itself. If you go through the credits, you'll notice dozens of directors and producers from a multitude of games that meerly offered suggestions when it came to certan franchises, items, characters, etc. With this said, a vast majority of these people really didn't have that much of a say in Brawl but Sakurai contacted and used them none-the-less.
4. Everyone can have a moveset really, so this is moot. Heck, it's not even a pro, it's more of a requirment that all the characters have to meet for consideration.
Not really because would you rather have a character that offers nothing to work with or a lot? From a developers point of view, I'd easily choose the former. Case in point: who would you rather make a moveset for? Geno or Epona the horse?
5. Like loads of other characters. And if he didn't make it in back then, what's changed now?
It shows that, despite all the years that have gone by, people still remember and want Geno. He wasn't meerly a fad character and didn't disappear off the radar despite not being playable in more then 10 years. Keep in mind that probably close to 40 Mario games have been re/released in that time span and yet some people's hearts continue to stay with a game they consider a classic. Personally, I think that speaks volumes about the character.
6. And because of this, he has to complete with much more worthy Mario characters, who have done a lot more than him, and have made more apperances. This isn't a pro what so ever.
Daisy, Petey Pirhanna, and Toad have been disconfirmed. Waluigi's chances are significantly low for a multitude of reasons but most importantly how Wario represents his own franchise and isn't labelled a Mario character. Bowser Jr's chances aren't that great for a multitude of reasons including how the character lack indepedence, didn't appear in Sakurai's journal, Sakurai paying more attention to major villians in playable roles, Bowser depicted as a beast rather then a goofy father figure, Pichu's deconfirmation showing that Sakurai isn't interested in adding miniature versions of already playable characters (Young Link is exempted from this because he stars in about 6 of his own games), etc. Paper Mario wasn't in the journal either and runs into many of the same identity problems that Dr. Mario did. (Granted, he could still become playable but with a decent amount of evidence showing that Dr. Mario and Pichu have gotten the boot, it shows that Sakurai really isn't that interested in adding a large number of "alter egos" this time around.) Paper Mario's chances depend entirelly on Paper Mario's chances and if he did make it, what would determine who was the most important of them all? Everyone who I didn't mention's chances are even lower for becoming playable. With this said, Geno's competition is no where as tough as you depict it to be.
7. How so? He's a Square character. Heck, if you get Square to agree to send in a character, then why not someone that people actually care about? That's the point of a third party character.
No matter how you slice it, Geno's a Mario character and thus completely useless to Square Enix unless they use him in the context of a Mario game or at least a game that involves Mario characters. Clearly, this isn't the case for other third party characters like Sonic or Megaman. As I mentioned in a post a long time ago, Square Enix really doesn't have anyone that could effectively represent the entire company as a whole because their really is no leading mascot unlike in the case of Sega or Capcom. Also, the question that should be asked here is what Sakurai cares about (remember what I already said about Deoxyes and Saki?) and evidence shows that he and his staff have a decent amount of interest in Geno.
8. One, all of the partners from PM1 and 2 have shown up at least twice. Two, Geno's second apperance wasn't a "role" really at all. Three, it's "Mario" RPG. We have Mario. We also have Bowser and Peach, who are both characters who showed up in all of the PM and M&L games. (Did I forget to mention Luigi is also likely?)
1. In a picture in Super Paper Mario... 2. At least Geno is doing something unlike the characters I forementioned. 3. This arguement was been used to death... Heck, if you want to go that route, no game specific characters should be in Brawl, only ones that appear in all the games. That means that Fire Emblem couldn't even have a rep and neither could Mother, none of the pokemon could be in it because, let's face it, their roles are subjective at best, F-Zero couldn't have anyone except Captain Falcon because he's the only character that's played a major role in all the games, etc. King Dedede, gone. Metaknight, gone. Zelda, gone. Diddy Kong, gone. Here comes the real shocker: Luigi, Bowser, and Peach, gone. This also destroys probably a good 90% of the fans "wish list" for the game.
Anyways, as I've explained in an earlier post, Super Mario RPG was a very significant title in both Nintendo and Mario's history and, much like the one time titles that are already represented in Brawl, it should get its shot too.
9. And he's
she listed under Kingdom Hearts. Now I know the Sonic guy was also not listed under Sonic, but you have to remember, that half of the musicians don't even represent the games they worked on in the past. This is a complete assumption if you think its a pro.
When you consider how Geno was in 2/3 Nintendo games that she composed for and how "Beware the Poison Mushrooms" (AKA Forest Maze) was the only Mario tune in Sakurai's journal that was requested by name, it makes sense. Also, if you read the list of composers, Sakurai's very straight forward with the people who have composed for first/second party games but a lot more secretive when it comes to those that did third party ones. In a way, you answered your own question when you brought up the guy who did the music for Sonic Adventure 2 but was credited for doing the music for NIGHTS. Let's see, which one do you think more people played and (heck, might as well go for the more obvious question) which one do you think more people bought?
10. So why not add in Cloud? Everyone knows him. He's popular and succesful. Unlike Geno.
Because his only appearance on a Nintendo platform was a summon in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories... That's why... Also, unlike Cloud, Nintendo has plenty of connections that would make Geno a snap to get. (Both directors of Super Mario RPG work for Nintendo under Alpha Dream and the producer was Shigeru Miyamoto... I don't even have to explain the benefits of that.) Also, would you like to compare the "rental" costs and overall worth of Geno to Cloud? No, I thought not. So what we're comparing here is a character that has plenty of important people from Nintendo connected to him that's virtually worthless to the third party he belongs to and would cost peanuts to rent compared to a character that basically has no connections and is one of Square Enix's biggest icons. (It should also be noted that he's never starred in a Nintendo exclusive, unlike Snake and Sonic, so that just adds insult to injury.)
The flaws in comparison are clearly biased, but that makes sense, since it is written by you guys. Heck, why would Sakurai like a third party character that's obscure?
Good question. Why did he like the Ice Climbers? Why did he like Mr. Game and Watch? Why are Professor Kawashima (a giant floating head), Sukapon (a robot made of flying parts) and Takamaru (the star of a Japanese exclusive on the NES that many have forgotten) people that are mentioned more then once in his journal? Why did personally express his interest in Muddy Mole, the star of a largely forgotten GB game in the early 90s?
Maybe a first or second party one, but it's a complete waste to get a 3rd party one that no one has heared about. =/