The Official Geno Thread

[DynamiteSpoony]

So...you have nothing backing your claims?

And I don't think Cloud will be in, but if Nintendo contacted Square, then they'd get him before they'd get Geno.

(Also why is the above poster saying Geno is one of the most popular Nintendo characters? What's he smoking?)

If Sakurai's willing to AT perfectly first-party characters because they're un-unique swordsmen, what makes you think he'll go out and pay tons of royalties to get another one when Geno is cheaper, iconic to Nintendo, and not generic?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So...you have nothing backing your claims?

And I don't think Cloud will be in, but if Nintendo contacted Square, then they'd get him before they'd get Geno.

(Also why is the above poster saying Geno is one of the most popular Nintendo characters? What's he smoking?)

There's a link somewhere but I really don't feel like digging it up.

I see no point also in even debating with someone so adamant about their decision anyway. I spent the last 3 + months doing that an their is a different person every time saying the same thing over and over again.

I don't think you liking or hating Geno will make his chances any less or more likely anyway

and hell if Cloud would get in before Geno

 

[Enigma14]

"I think high of myself"? What in god's name does that mean? Honestly, I could care less if you hate me, *******. It's the truth, you're respecting him because he's kissing up to you.

HollaBackRyu said he's not a Troll. Good reasoning.

He says we're straying off topic, but he said Bowser hasn't been in alot of Bowser games.

Just because I see things from a nuetral stand point makes me the enemy, how nice, BTW Snakz will PM you later telling why I got put on the wiki page.

Anyways about your post.

I don't think high of myself, I don't think humble, modest or anything that I might purposely try to make myself sound better, I am not that kind of person. You could twist my words to make me a bad person I wouldn't care because I know the truth about myself.

Remember Grim_Lizard? That Captain Falcon and Ridley liker? He also called me a respectful debater who is smart and I just said thank you and I didn't take his side just for it, same with this Dan Guy.

As for Dan whatever saying he's not a troll, he said he's not a troll because he included a why, reason, logic, explanation...etc. You see him as a troll simply because he dislikes Geno and tries to debate about wether or not he's in brawl or shouldn't be in brawl. But I read his first post in here and he even states that he likes Geno but he can't really see him in cause of the whole SE owner ship.

So instead of swearing and pissing people off and having to make multiple account you should just debate with clearity and not so angry.

PS If you still tihnk, I think highly of my self, go ahead, but I don't. I'm just a Geno debater that would love to see Geno in Brawl kicking butt.

 

[Pieman0920]

If Sakurai's willing to AT perfectly first-party characters because they're un-unique swordsmen, what makes you think he'll go out and pay tons of royalties to get another one when Geno is cheaper, iconic to Nintendo, and not generic?

(Quick post before the biggie)

Cloud's got more than that and you know it. Geno's not a icon no matter how you spin it. Cloud brings in enough money, while Geno doesn't.

And to the other poster, you may as well dig it up so that you actually have it. Otherwise, you'd just be a bunch of liars.

 

[Enigma14]

(Quick post before the biggie)

Cloud's got more than that and you know it. Geno's not a icon no matter how you spin it. Cloud brings in enough money, while Geno doesn't.

And to the other poster, you may as well dig it up so that you actually have it. Otherwise, you'd just be a bunch of liars.

True Geno isnt as iconic as Cloud

But to each his own.

 

[Houndstooth]

The journal entries are on page 706. First post. I believe that Enigma sent posted them when you asked, but they kind of got lost with all the Bowser stuff.

Anyway, I don't see Cloud making it into Brawl because he hasn't been in a game on the Nintendo, other than Kingdom Hearts on the DS. I haven't played the game, so I really don't know how involved he was.

I would really like to see Cloud in Brawl, however. If Nintendo spoke to Square about Geno, then why wouldn't Square also try and grab a third-party slot(since Sakurai has placed Geno in the first-party slot in the Melee and Brawl polls). Cloud or Sora would be a great third-party. Sora may be too difficult with all of the Disney added, but Cloud is still there. Too bad Crono's creators are so spread out, or he could have been mentioned as well... Oh well.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

(Quick post before the biggie)

Cloud's got more than that and you know it. Geno's not a icon no matter how you spin it. Cloud brings in enough money, while Geno doesn't.

And to the other poster, you may as well dig it up so that you actually have it. Otherwise, you'd just be a bunch of liars.

It doesn't matter how iconic Cloud is. If Sakurai doesn't care about him, here's nothing Square can do to get him into the game.

 

[DarkSpidey13]

(Quick post before the biggie)

Cloud's got more than that and you know it. Geno's not a icon no matter how you spin it. Cloud brings in enough money, while Geno doesn't.

And to the other poster, you may as well dig it up so that you actually have it. Otherwise, you'd just be a bunch of liars.

a quick recap...you don't think Geno should be in Brawl because you would prefer Cloud.

that sums it up, right?

you think that Cloud would sell more copies of Brawl/Wiis than Geno? regardless of whether or not that's true, what makes you think that square would be so willing to let Nintendo have their most iconic character without charging an assload?

 

[Chi's Finest]

(Quick post before the biggie)

Cloud's got more than that and you know it. Geno's not a icon no matter how you spin it. Cloud brings in enough money, while Geno doesn't.

And to the other poster, you may as well dig it up so that you actually have it. Otherwise, you'd just be a bunch of liars.

I honestly think most of the community here would be turned off to Brawl if they found out they stuck a FF character in it. Your logic says if Master Chief had a cameo in a Nintendo game and was eligable to appear in Brawl, we should put Master Chief in because he'll make more money, coreect?

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Enigma, go write an Auto-Biography or something.

Pieman, has it ever occurred to you that FF characters have been decofirmed?

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

Enigma, go write an Auto-Biography or something.

Pieman, has it ever occurred to you that FF characters have been decofirmed?

God da- Will you EVER calm the eff down and let it go, Biggi-I mean Wu Tang? Stop picking fights with people who are on you own freaking side.

Also: What are you talking about deconfirmed?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

God da- Will you EVER calm the eff down and let it go, Biggi-I mean Wu Tang? Stop picking fights with people who are on you own freaking side.

Also: What are you talking about deconfirmed?

Apparently, in an interview with Square, Famitsu asked about FF characters in Brawl and Square said they'd prefer not to because the series is so vast with many different characters, each with a fan base...and stuff

It was somewhere else too apparently also but I forgot where and all that

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

Apparently, in an interview with Square, Famitsu asked about FF characters in Brawl and Square said they'd prefer not to because the series is so vast with many different characters, each with a fan base...and stuff

It was somewhere else too apparently also but I forgot where and all that

Well, that does make sense. Does anyone have a link to this?

Cloud in Brawl doesn't really make much sense anyway (Realistically speaking. it's really hard to keep bias out of this, because I HATE FF7). I wouldn't mind Chrono if his legal situation wasn't so screwy (Never played CT, here).

 

[Pieman0920]

1)And none of that was from Sakurai right? You can't possibly use that as a basis for a argument. None of it was from him. It's like if five of you guys wrote to him, and then because you five did that, Geno has better chances.

Ask Fatmanonice. All those responses to people wanting Geno in, Sakurai responded to.


2) Well outside of that cameo...which was about as small as Geno's in M&L SS. And Doc was just added there to quickly pad the roster, but even he has shown up more times than Geno. Do you really think they'd make an exception like that again? Are you insinulating that because Geno will be in, that Doc will also show up?

NO, I'm not, everyone knows Doc is getting the boot, as for the DOC post I was joking about it. But really Who would you rather have…Jr who can turn into a Mario clone? Doc who is a Mario clone? Paper Mario who is another Mario or Geno is not Mario in some way and is unique and original?

3) So it's just a blind guess.

Yes.

5) Those were just comments from the poll sure, but those things that came out were not the poll itself. They were like a few entries that Sakurai let people see. We also can't discern to what extent it fits everyone, as the person who recieved the most (Sonic) didn't even show up. Thus it is flawed to use that thing as a grounds for a argument.

True but if Sakurai didn’t hold that poll, then we wouldn’t even know who was considered or not.

6) That wasn't a role. That was a cameo. Heck, he didn't even get his named mentioned. And while Paper Mario is just another Mario (and mind you, if we get a repeat character, it will be Mario) you can't really throw away Bowser Jr. for his motives. Loads of these guys have dumb motives. But still it's more than just those two that Geno doesn't stand a chance against. What about Birdo? Waluigi? Even Rosalina. They all out prioritize him.

Who’s Rosalina? Anyways yes they out prioritize him but only in amount of games they’ve appeared in. But role wise Geno will always be the sage in the stars.

7) You've got to be kidding me. Look, a first party character who is obscure one thing, but a third party one is different. It is completely idiotic to waste a spot and deal like that over a junk character who's game is already represented three times over. Sakurai didn't pick a obscure character from Konami or Sega. He got the best. Is Geno the best Square has to offer?

No, but he wants Geno because why waste money on a popular character like Sora or Cloud? Or a generic one like Black Mage? Geno has Sakurai’s interest and what the fans want is what we might or might not get. People didn’t mention Cloud in the polls and only wanted him after they noticed Geno was his competition, but Sakurai likes obscure and not popular, as popular bores hm.

8) Bow and Parakarry have shown up three times. They have more priority than Geno TBQH. I don't know what you're trying to say here. Mario's the only one who appears in all Mario games...the others have huge histories also. Are you saying that they are to stretched and you want a specific? Because why would that be SMRPG? Why not any of the other hundreds of games to get a specific character? Like maybe a more relivant one.

Bow and Parakakarry have only shown up in 2 games as a whole. Those cards are just a cameo. Just because they’re nintnedo licensed doesn’t mean they have priority. They were in there because it was a MARIO PAPER GAME. Ok a who is a relelvant character? Define that word for me.

10) I prescribe it as your "poll" because what we got back was not really the poll. And as I said, you can't tell anything from that, as results were clearly screened as shown by Sonic. There's no way to tell what Sakurai got.

True but Fatmanonice got only the Geno responses, because I asked for them, If I told him to get the Sonic responses he might or might not get them and translate them.

And I don't know what loop hole you're talking about, but they'd still need to get the legal rights, and if they could, then they'd get someone better. Sure, ask all the people in the world who Geno is, and see how little you'll get. You know who'd get more? Cloud. Heck, that guy sells games on his name alone. Look at how popular he is on popularity contests. He outweights Geno by tons. So why would Nintendo not use him? Why would they get such an obscure person?

Because cost wise the obscure character is cheaper. Sakurai as I stated before hates popular, Snake seems to be liked among BRAWL fans or else he would have been playable on the demo like Sonic was. Also comparing the rental costs of Geno and Cloud who on a budget would you go for? Who do the fans want that was on the poll? Who wasn’t on the poll?

1) Then what did Sakurai say? What he said can change everything. So why don't you have that? Those responces are so much more important than all the other dumb reasons.

2) You really don't think that Bowser Jr. would be just like that do you? Heck, outside of that one time, he's never been the same. And if you really want to know who I think will make it in, then I'll tell you it's Paper Mario. Yes, he's another Mario, but he's still more important that Geno. Even having two versions of him would make more sense before Geno.

5) Well to be fair, it's easy enough by just telling who's popular and left. It's still no way to really come to any conclusions.

6) Rosalina is from SMG. And all those roles combined outdue Geno's supporting role (which he was stiffled by three others in the same supporting spot) The thing with supporting characters though, is if they didn't get their own game, then they can only be really judged by the amount of games they are in, at least in order to measure their importance. Geno's got one game where he has good exposure, then a unnamed cameo. There's no way that takes priority over all that someone like Birdo has done.

7) Ugh...you don't get it. He's a third party character. You can't throw away money at third party characters. Maybe you can on first party characters, but even then, they were the stars. We don't have an obscure Konami or Sega character. We have characters everyone knows. Square will be the same if it is contacted. (Still, I don't see why people are saying he's interested)

8) What is this, a lesson in hypocracy? Geno's cameo was worse then theres, and if you deem their apperance like that, then Geno's only had one game. And yes, Mario is the main character of those games, just like he was in SMRPG.

10) Wait, so you're saying there is more than what is shown on that thread? Now what in the name of Pie is that? So it's incomplete you're saying? Then why are you using it at all?

How do you know that the obscure character is cheaper? How do you know it doesn't matter to Sakurai, since this is the sequle to the biggest game on the GCN? Sakurai also does not hate popular. You're scewing it to much. He just doesn't want everything to be to popular because its predictable. Now that could mean Geno could be inif he was first or second party, but you can't screw around with these third party deals. A less popular character that's already in is Wario for example, and he didn't show up, so I don't even know what you're talking about. (And Sonic wasn't on the "poll" apperently, so I have still don't get what you're talking about)

 

[Pieman0920]

(Sorry about the double post) :O

And you people are really bad at jumping to conclusions about things.

I don't particularly care if Cloud is in Brawl. I just have enough common sense to tell that he'd get in before Geno. It's also true that he would sell more games than Geno ever could. He has popularity, and enough magical powers in his own right. And why are you assuming that Sakurai doesn't care about him? You can't use that poll at all, since there's no Sonic. Heck, you're thinking that because four or five people like Geno, that Sakurai does too.

 

[DarkSpidey13]

what your argument forgets, Pieman, is that Geno would not be included in Brawl simply to represent Square-Enix. if that were the case, then you'd be right: Cloud would be a superior choice.

but the whole reason that Nintendo would approach Square-Enix in the first place would not be to get them to "donate" or "lend" or "rent" a character to represent them in Brawl, but because sheer fan demand and popularity would require them to do so to get Geno. it wouldn't be a negotiation to see what character the could get away with, Nintendo would have a very specific purpose. if Square for some odd reason wouldn't allow Nintendo to use Geno, a character which Square can't even use because Nintendo has a copyright on the scenario, then i don't believe any Square character would be in the game at all.

 

[Deleted member]

(Sorry about the double post) :O

And you people are really bad at jumping to conclusions about things.

I don't particularly care if Cloud is in Brawl. I just have enough common sense to tell that he'd get in before Geno. It's also true that he would sell more games than Geno ever could. He has popularity, and enough magical powers in his own right. And why are you assuming that Sakurai doesn't care about him? You can't use that poll at all, since there's no Sonic. Heck, you're thinking that because four or five people like Geno, that Sakurai does too.

Dude, no one gives a flying **** about popularity. Especially Sakurai.

 

[Pieman0920]

Why add another Mario character? If you've got the deal with SE, then represent SE. Don't add another to the pile. (You also have three representatives already from the one game that person was in)

And despite those five people, there's no proof that there's a legion of fans demanding that they have Geno. Heck, if there was a legion of Geno fans, Nintendo would have gotten the rights and shown him off a lot more by now. But he hasn't shown up, now has he? Where are the legions of fans?

(Really, why are you people contradicting yourselves? First you say Geno is too popular to be ignored, and then you go on about how Sakurai hates popularity. Freaking pick a side and be done with it)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why add another Mario character? If you've got the deal with SE, then represent SE. Don't add another to the pile. (You also have three representatives already from the one game that person was in)

And despite those five people, there's no proof that there's a legion of fans demanding that they have Geno. Heck, if there was a legion of Geno fans, Nintendo would have gotten the rights and shown him off a lot more by now. But he hasn't shown up, now has he? Where are the legions of fans?

(Really, why are you people contradicting yourselves? First you say Geno is too popular to be ignored, and then you go on about how Sakurai hates popularity. Freaking pick a side and be done with it)

Why NOT add another Mario character?

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

1) Then what did Sakurai say? What he said can change everything. So why don't you have that? Those responces are so much more important than all the other dumb reasons.

Why does that matter? If the responses were negative, why would he even bother mentioning them in his journal?

2) You really don't think that Bowser Jr. would be just like that do you? Heck, outside of that one time, he's never been the same. And if you really want to know who I think will make it in, then I'll tell you it's Paper Mario. Yes, he's another Mario, but he's still more important that Geno. Even having two versions of him would make more sense before Geno.

So, you honestly believe Sakurai would turn dow two perfectly unique characters for yet another Mario. Another Mario that, by the way, has not even been mentioned by Sakurai once.

5) Well to be fair, it's easy enough by just telling who's popular and left. It's still no way to really come to any conclusions.

No one's 100% sure of everything. We just tell by the clues we're given. Just like everyone else who speculates things in Brawl.

6) Rosalina is from SMG. And all those roles combined outdue Geno's supporting role (which he was stiffled by three others in the same supporting spot) The thing with supporting characters though, is if they didn't get their own game, then they can only be really judged by the amount of games they are in, at least in order to measure their importance. Geno's got one game where he has good exposure, then a unnamed cameo. There's no way that takes priority over all that someone like Birdo has done.

Right, because the amount of games is the true barometer for a character's worth. We all know how respected and valued Waluigi is. He's gotta be great, right? He's been in almost 20 games!

7) Ugh...you don't get it. He's a third party character. You can't throw away money at third party characters. Maybe you can on first party characters, but even then, they were the stars. We don't have an obscure Konami or Sega character. We have characters everyone knows. Square will be the same if it is contacted. (Still, I don't see why people are saying he's interested)

...Fatmanonice has already proven OVER AND OVER AGAIN that it is very possible that Geno could be obtained with little to no legal effort at all.

8) What is this, a lesson in hypocracy? Geno's cameo was worse then theres, and if you deem their apperance like that, then Geno's only had one game. And yes, Mario is the main character of those games, just like he was in SMRPG.

.....I'm not going to post my response to this again. I'm just sick of people saying that Mario, Peach, and Bowser is somehow perfect representation of the Mario RPGs.

10) Wait, so you're saying there is more than what is shown on that thread? Now what in the name of Pie is that? So it's incomplete you're saying? Then why are you using it at all?

Because the link is friggin' EVERYWHERE. And the points from it have been used EVERYWHERE, too.

How do you know that the obscure character is cheaper? How do you know it doesn't matter to Sakurai, since this is the sequle to the biggest game on the GCN? Sakurai also does not hate popular. You're scewing it to much. He just doesn't want everything to be to popular because its predictable. Now that could mean Geno could be inif he was first or second party, but you can't screw around with these third party deals. A less popular character that's already in is Wario for example, and he didn't show up, so I don't even know what you're talking about. (And Sonic wasn't on the "poll" apperently, so I have still don't get what you're talking about)

Hrm...All you do here is say "WELL YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THEREFORE YOU'RE WRONG!"

OF COURSE WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING! Absolutely NO ONE DOES, and anyone who claims to is just caught up in the moment. All of this is speculation based on what we've seen, and clues in Sakurai's journal, interviews, polls, and everything. NOBODY HERE IS SAKURAI.

And my educated guess as to why Sonic wasn't mentioned is that he was mentioned in interviews, and really was so obvious after Sakurai said 'One or two more 3rd party characters" that Sonic didn't really need a mention because it was so obvious.

It could also be because supposedly Sonic was supposed to be in Brawl, but was cut because of time issues (Still waiting for proof of this, BTW)

 

[DarkSpidey13]

Why add another Mario character? If you've got the deal with SE, then represent SE. Don't add another to the pile. (You also have three representatives already from the one game that person was in)

you missed my point completely. Nintendo would be dealing with SE for a specific purpose: to get Geno. why go there with a specific purpose in mind and then decide, "oh, the hell with it. we'll just get Cloud instead."?

and anyway, every other franchise seems to be getting new additions for Brawl. why can't Mario, Nintendo's flagship franchise, get at least one more?

And despite those five people, there's no proof that there's a legion of fans demanding that they have Geno. Heck, if there was a legion of Geno fans, Nintendo would have gotten the rights and shown him off a lot more by now. But he hasn't shown up, now has he? Where are the legions of fans?

if i'm not mistaken, smrpglegacy.com was able to get a SMRPG sequel petition together with a huge number of signatures. i don't know the exact number, (Fatmanonice could tell you that) but is was tens of thousands, at least. there's your legion of fans right there.

 

[Pieman0920]

If you add another Mario character, then add one that Mario fans know about, not just a old one shot character. >_>

And it's difficult to respond to Spoon up there without backtracking a lot, so I'll keep it short. Those responces could have been negative still. They could have been telling people to stop trying. They could have explaining that he could do it, and wanted them to stop. We don't know though. If we had those responces though, then it could change everything. That Mario is unique, and apperently Sakurai's never mentioned Geno once either. Waluigi has a huge thread, so there's something about him alright. And yes, he does have priority over Geno. Telling me someone else did it, but not showing me how they did it doesn't prove your point. Mario, Peach, and Bowser are good enough representation for the series, as you have three our of the five playable characters. There's no real need for another. Link to what? The full thing? Then link it to me, and stop stalling.

EDIT: Mario will get more. It will get well known Mario characters, rather than obscure third party ones. Additionally, it'd be more likely that if they ever went to SE, that it would be for a more popular character than Geno in the first place. There's no way they'd arange a meeting with just that in mind.

Oh, and lol internet petition.

 

[Shadow Star]

-Comes out of hiding-

So... have the debates died down a bit now? I noticed it was getting a bit heated so I stayed out of the way.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask; what's with this roster release I heard about a few pages ago? I've been hearing a lot about it on Gamefaqs, but I'm still confused. Is the WHOLE roster going to be released, or just the starting one?

Also, if you guys are getting tired of the debates, I thought of something interesting we could discuss! If there really is going to be a SMRPG sequel and Geno is going to be in it, what kind of new techniques do you think Geno will have?

 

[Deleted member]

If you add another Mario character, then add one that Mario fans know about, not just a old one shot character. >_>

Are you that dumb?

More Mario fans know who Geno is than you think. >=\

 

[Chi's Finest]

-Comes out of hiding-

So... have the debates died down a bit now? I noticed it was getting a bit heated so I stayed out of the way.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask; what's with this roster release I heard about a few pages ago? I've been hearing a lot about it on Gamefaqs, but I'm still confused. Is the WHOLE roster going to be released, or just the starting one?

Also, if you guys are getting tired of the debates, I thought of something interesting we could discuss! If there really is going to be a SMRPG sequel and Geno is going to be in it, what kind of new techniques do you think Geno will have?

The starting roster.

There's a small update on it here:

http://www.brawlcentral.com/

Are you that dumb?

More Mario fans know who Geno is than you think. >=\

The only other characters form mario to really add are the pin off character of Wlauigi/Daisy. The only possibility would be Bowser Jr, since he's a little bit more developed, but Geno sitll stands a better chance.

 

[Pieman0920]

Are you that dumb?

More Mario fans know who Geno is than you think. >=\

And more know who other characters are, since they are not trapped back in the days of the SNES. >=/

 

[Deleted member]

And more know who other characters are, since they are not trapped back in the days of the SNES. >=/

Before Melee the Ice Climbers were trapped in the days of NES. No, they are not Mario characters but they wereunfamiliar Nintendo characters. Hell, I never even knew who they were until I played Melee.

 

[Shadow Star]

The starting roster.

There's a small update on it here:

http://www.brawlcentral.com/

Ah! Thank you! I was starting to worry that Dec. 15 was going to be the judgement day for Geno. Well, that's a relief.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

If you add another Mario character, then add one that Mario fans know about, not just a old one shot character. >_>

And it's difficult to respond to Spoon up there without backtracking a lot, so I'll keep it short. Those responces could have been negative still. They could have been telling people to stop trying. They could have explaining that he could do it, and wanted them to stop. We don't know though. If we had those responces though, then it could change everything. That Mario is unique, and apperently Sakurai's never mentioned Geno once either. Waluigi has a huge thread, so there's something about him alright. And yes, he does have priority over Geno. Telling me someone else did it, but not showing me how they did it doesn't prove your point. Mario, Peach, and Bowser are good enough representation for the series, as you have three our of the five playable characters. There's no real need for another. Link to what? The full thing? Then link it to me, and stop stalling.

EDIT: Mario will get more. It will get well known Mario characters, rather than obscure third party ones. Additionally, it'd be more likely that if they ever went to SE, that it would be for a more popular character than Geno in the first place. There's no way they'd arange a meeting with just that in mind.

Oh, and lol internet petition.

Why the hell would Sakurai bother to post them in his journal if he wanted them to stop? If he wasn't interested, he'd SAY SOMETHING about not being interested, eh? Once again, you play the "appeal to ignorance" card.

Paper Mario could have a unique moveset, but at the end of the day, he's still just another Mario. If there weren't better characters to add in before him, this would be okay, but there's TWO perfectly unique characters in line that could offer more than him.

Have you actually READ the Waluigi Thread? The majority of posts are far from positive. Like the character itself, it's all quantity, and very little quality.

God**** it where's that link? I'll edit this post when I finally find it.

You can't expect Mario, Peach, and Bowser to represent SMRPG as they are. They're the three most important characters to the Mario series in general, and UNLESS THEIR MOVESETS ARE BASED DIRECTLY FROM SMRPG, THEY CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO REPRESENT IT.

If they represent SMRPG, why isn't Peach's FS something like Psyche Bomb? Why isn't Bowser's Bowser Crush? The one and ONLY thing any of them have that was unique to SMRPG was Peach's Frying Pan.

When you think of those three, is SMRPG the first thing to come to mind? No? Okay, how about Geno?

The only characters as it stands now for the Mario series that AREN'T "obscure, one-shot" deals are Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. And I don't think PM will make it over Bowser Jr. Or Geno for that matter.

 

[Pieman0920]

Before Melee the Ice Climbers were trapped in the days of NES. No, they are not Mario characters but they wereunfamiliar Nintendo characters. Hell, I never even knew who they were until I played Melee.

And were they supporting characters in their only game? Were they third party? Were they not completely different from every other character due to their double-ness?

 

[Chi's Finest]

And were they supporting characters in their only game? Were they third party? Were they not completely different from every other character due to their double-ness?

Yea, but even though they weren't supporting characters, Geno was still more popular, has a fitting moveset, and developed as them.

If you're saying that we're stuck in th SNES days, tell me which Mario characters would be better. The only possible choices I can think of are the spin off characters:

Toad, Birdo, Waluigi, Daisy, Bowser jr.

 

[Pieman0920]

(Sorry in advance if this turns into a double post)

Why the hell would Sakurai bother to post them in his journal if he wanted them to stop? If he wasn't interested, he'd SAY SOMETHING about not being interested, eh? Once again, you play the "appeal to ignorance" card.

Paper Mario could have a unique moveset, but at the end of the day, he's still just another Mario. If there weren't better characters to add in before him, this would be okay, but there's TWO perfectly unique characters in line that could offer more than him.

Have you actually READ the Waluigi Thread? The majority of posts are far from positive. Like the character itself, it's all quantity, and very little quality.

God**** it where's that link? I'll edit this post when I finally find it.



The only characters as it stands now for the Mario series that AREN'T "obscure, one-shot" deals are Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. And I don't think PM will make it over Bowser Jr. Or Geno for that matter.

You don't have the responces though. I don't have them. Those responces are the solution to everything. You cna't say I am wrong, and I can't say you are. If we had them, and Sakurai said how great Geno was and that he wanted him in, then I'd change my stance. But we don't have them. We just have a bunch of fans saying how much they like Geno.

Geno's not a better character. Bowser Jr. maybe, but not Geno. Give Geno another game, with more of a role, and I'd change my mind, but as of now, that hasn't happened. He's on the same level as Bow and Parakarry though, which is under a second Mario.

Yes, I wonder what type of thread that's like. <_<

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

(Sorry in advance if this turns into a double post)



You don't have the responces though. I don't have them. Those responces are the solution to everything. You cna't say I am wrong, and I can't say you are. If we had them, and Sakurai said how great Geno was and that he wanted him in, then I'd change my stance. But we don't have them. We just have a bunch of fans saying how much they like Geno.

Geno's not a better character. Bowser Jr. maybe, but not Geno. Give Geno another game, with more of a role, and I'd change my mind, but as of now, that hasn't happened. He's on the same level as Bow and Parakarry though, which is under a second Mario.

Yes, I wonder what type of thread that's like. <_<

No, I don't have the responses, therefore neither of us are right or wrong. But it just doesn't make much sense for Sakurai to post all those requests for Geno if the responses were negative without him saying something about it.

That last part is an opinion. A perfectly reasonable opinion, but still no more than that. We've learned that, thanks to the Ice Climbers, Sheik, Pokemon Trainer, and Falco that with Sakurai, anything's fair game.

We can't convice you that Geno is worthy. However, on the same token, you can't convince us that he's not.

 

[Houndstooth]

Hey, on the journal entries. Didn't Sakurai only show so many of the ones that he had received? Didn't he receive many, many more, but only showed like, 500? Something like that... Anyway, when I find it I'll let you know, but Geno was mentioned in five of the (X amount) that he posted. And, Sakurai only picked (X amount) out of (Y amount) to show to the public. That shows some interest in Geno.

 

[Super Mario Whirled]

(Sorry in advance if this turns into a double post)



You don't have the responces though. I don't have them. Those responces are the solution to everything. You cna't say I am wrong, and I can't say you are. If we had them, and Sakurai said how great Geno was and that he wanted him in, then I'd change my stance. But we don't have them. We just have a bunch of fans saying how much they like Geno.

Geno's not a better character. Bowser Jr. maybe, but not Geno. Give Geno another game, with more of a role, and I'd change my mind, but as of now, that hasn't happened. He's on the same level as Bow and Parakarry though, which is under a second Mario.

Yes, I wonder what type of thread that's like. <_<

*cracks knuckles* All right, let's see if those arguments with my friends finally paid off.

If we had the responses, nobody would be anticipating the characters like they are now. Sakurai's building up the suspense, and he's doing it in an insanely annoying and astute way at that. But to just know Geno was mentioned five times... that shows a lot of significance in itself, whether the responses were negative or not.

I can't say much more than albeit Geno's lack of games makes him look like a lesser character, that's a strong misconception. Just imagine it this way: Take every Mario character, and base them solely upon their single most important game. Look at Geno in SMRPG, and compare his role to that of a Paper Mario partner, a spin-off filler, or any other notable character. He's lesser than Peach or Bowser, but you'll find much, much greater than someone like Waluigi, or even Bowser Jr. You've got to admit, an older fan favorite and highly requested character from a huge franchise would make the perfect secret or unlockable character in Brawl. But what can I say? It's an opinion, but I hope it's a decent enough representation of how I feel about this mess... Geno's got a lot going for him, all bias set aside.

It's no good thread, that's for sure.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

*emerges from hole in ground* FOUND IT!

http://nsider2.com/forums/Geno-Star-Heaven-t13783.html

This is the link I, and pretty much everyone else, was talking about.

 

[TBone06]

*emerges from hole in ground* FOUND IT!

http://nsider2.com/forums/Geno-Star-Heaven-t13783.html

This is the link I, and pretty much everyone else, was talking about.

is this on the front page? if not it sure is deserving to be

 

[DarkSpidey13]

oh, and Pieman...you aren't buying the 5 mention argument? well, so far there seems to be a direct correlation between the number of mentions in the journal and playable status - Ike, Diddy, and Dedede each had four or greater mentions, if i'm not mistaken (someone correct me if i am), and all AT's have had 2 or less.

Geno and Ridley are the only characters with 4+ mentions yet to be confirmed as playable. i think it is no coincidence that the characters with a high number of mentions have made it into the game as playable...

 

[Mirron]

On a slightly more positive note, I found an interesting sig containing Geno on another site.

I know the maker, and he might be willing to make more Geno related ones if I ask. Any requests that I can take to him?

 

[Chi's Finest]

Why add another Mario character? If you've got the deal with SE, then represent SE. Don't add another to the pile. (You also have three representatives already from the one game that person was in)

And despite those five people, there's no proof that there's a legion of fans demanding that they have Geno. Heck, if there was a legion of Geno fans, Nintendo would have gotten the rights and shown him off a lot more by now. But he hasn't shown up, now has he? Where are the legions of fans?

(Really, why are you people contradicting yourselves? First you say Geno is too popular to be ignored, and then you go on about how Sakurai hates popularity. Freaking pick a side and be done with it)

Nintendo did say they were impressed with the petition of over 20 something thousand signatures they recieved for Geno to be in Brawl a long time ago. His game is the most requested VC title right now. You can't deny he has a huge fan base. And a huge anti-fan base.