The Official Geno Thread

[GhostAnime]

Mario games do have a variety but you said that comment about Mega Man as if a game can't have the same storyline and still be fun.

 

[Devastlian]

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Why are you reposting something I was responding to?

 

[Enigma14]

Mario games do have a variety but you said that comment about Mega Man as if a game can't have the same storyline and still be fun.

well name 1 game that most ppl find fun that had the same formula, fighting games dont count.

 

[LemonKing]

Obviously, he didn't see what I posted because you replaced it with "..."

Anyway, what you are saying is idiotic. If Geno was truly 3rd Party then the creator of SMRPG couldn't just "put him in because he wants to". If you are going by that logic then you are saying if Sakurai wants to put him in then he can thus meaning he isn't 3rd Party.

 

[Devastlian]

Obviously, he didn't see what I posted because you replaced it with "..."

Anyway, what you are saying is idiotic. If Geno was truly 3rd Party then the creator of SMRPG couldn't just "put him in because he wants to". If you are going by that logic then you are saying if Sakurai wants to put him in then he can thus meaning he isn't 3rd Party.

No...that's what you said.

I meant the director's and founder's ties within Square-Enix are what let them get permission. I'll go ahead and reword that.

 

[GhostAnime]

well name 1 game that most ppl find fun that had the same formula, fighting games dont count.

no no. I'm talking about storyline. =p 'formula' was just pretty vague in your first post.

 

[LemonKing]

You are wrong though. Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga was produced by Tetsuo Mizuno and Shigeru Miyamoto . Tetsuo is the founder of AlphaDream which is 2nd Party to Nintendo, which also means that Nintendo could use the power that they have.

AlphaDream does indeed have ties to Square, so it makes sense they could put Geno in as a cameo. Though you have to take into consideration that AlphaDream is owned by Nintendo.

 

[Enigma14]

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=39473182

Also for the above statement, it thats true, then its the same with "Flagship" Capcom, Sega and Nintendo

that's why Vatti cant appear without the 3 aprrovals from those companies

 

[Darky Dee]

Because they probably haven't fallen into this ridiculous fad of prejudicing characters based on whatever they're holding in their hand. Also, is there really any proof that SE would charge so much more compared to what Konami and SEGA already are? I mean, does SE do this often?

Perhaps, Konami has a very great rep, but Kojima did approach Nintendo first. So Konami made the effort. SEGA is everyone's *****, so they're probably good with everything and at most, flattered that Sonic and Mario get to duke it out. Sonic's appearance would be an big asset to Sega in oder to gain more rep from Sonic's inclusion. It's reversed for Square. Square is an asset to Nintendo. They have enough representation in the gaming industry, so they could charge up the nose if they felt like it and get away with highway robbery.

There's no proof whatsoever that anyone other than Disney owns any of the original Kingdom Hearts properties. I agree that Cloud and Sora haven't been in enough Nintendo games, though.

Truth be told. Sora, Kairi, Heartless, Ansem, Riku, the original worlds, about everything, other than Final Fantasy characters belongs to Disney.

You find out which is the most popular and/or recent like with Ike. For example, Cecil's game is the most popular of the Nintendo FF's in Japan (based on that Famitsu thing) and the remake is coming out about a month before SSBB which places it in a good advertising situation.

Exactly what I was thinking. Cecil has always been an icon from Square that I totally see to be associated with Nintendo.

 

[Enigma14]

Mathieu21
Posted 11/11/2007 4:02:48 PM
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This is a coincidence. This is not a poll. It's the number of times he was mentionned. I'm sure Sakurai doesn't care about those results.


XD

Owned this guy: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=39473182&page=3

 

[Devastlian]

You are wrong though. Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga was produced by Tetsuo Mizuno and Shigeru Miyamoto . Tetsuo is the founder of AlphaDream which is 2nd Party to Nintendo, which also means that Nintendo could use the power that they have.

That doesn't contradict anything I said.

AlphaDream does indeed have ties to Square, so it makes sense they could put Geno in as a cameo. Though you have to take into consideration that AlphaDream is owned by Nintendo.

Ya, at least three of Nintendo's second parties were founded by former SE employees.

@Darky Dee: Zidane for Brawl.

 

[Enigma14]

If we need a Guardian leader, found him, its LemonKing! I recommand him to be a leader if we need one.

 

[Super Mario Whirled]

And you believed them? Geno probably showed up during that one minigame in M&L because the director, who also directed SMRPG, liked him. He, combined with the fact that the founder of Alpha Dream is a former president of Squaresoft, very likely still has ties within Square-Enix.

Probably so. Nintendo has been known to throw a few cameos in their games just for fun, such as a few obscure pictures of Mario in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Since it was made with Square Enix, M&L:SS was probably an ideal place to stick in a tiny reference to a game many old-school gamers could recognize. Nintendo wasn't hinting at ownership of anything: they just wanted to make the game a little more creative for people who actually knew Geno from SMRPG.

Because they probably haven't fallen into this ridiculous fad of prejudicing characters based on whatever they're holding in their hand. Also, is there really any proof that SE would charge so much more compared to what Konami and SEGA already are? I mean, does SE do this often?

There's no proof whatsoever that anyone other than Disney owns any of the original Kingdom Hearts properties. I agree that Cloud and Sora haven't been in enough Nintendo games, though.

Sora would be terribly out of place in Brawl because Nintendo owes nothing to him history-wise. Unlike Geno, who played a large role in a staple game for Nintendo's (and the entire gaming industry's) biggest franchise, Sora made an appearance on one game that really has nothing to do with Nintendo.

I wouldn't doubt that if Nintendo would have to pay for Geno, Square would try to push a large price on them. I don't like to admit it as a strict Geno-for-Brawler, but Nintendo could make it easy on themselves if Square refused to negotiate a reasonable price and just drop the idea of Geno completely. Of course, SE probably wouldn't want to pass up the chance to include one of their characters in one of the most anticipated games in a long time.

You find out which is the most popular and/or recent like with Ike. For example, Cecil's game is the most popular of the Nintendo FF's in Japan (based on that Famitsu thing) and the remake is coming out about a month before SSBB which places it in a good advertising situation.

I haven't got a source except for what I've heard around here, but it's being said that SE doesn't want a FF character in Brawl. Not much I can say about this, since I haven't touched the FF games or heard about them in a long time.

...and what about the main series? The legendary hero Loto (aka Erdrick) is considered a video game icon in Japan and, combined with the fact that Dragon Quest is so mind-numbingly popular in Japan, DQ's popularity in the US has to at least match that of SMRPG.

Although these games have contributed to Nintendo in the past, I'd doubt they'd give it priority over SMRPG. If any of the Dragon Quest characters were owned by Nintendo, I could see them getting in, but as of now the poll and fanbase have given Geno such an advantage over all the other SE characters I can't see Sakurai picking any of them over him.

Well, how do you know he's not worthless to Nintendo, too? That the return of paying for a popular SE character isn't worth it?

Sakurai has shown interest in Geno by mentioning him several times- I can hardly call that worthless. If Nintendo really wants him in Brawl, they'd pay for him, though nobody can say for how much...

How do you know how much control Nintendo has over Geno, anyway? The copyright at the end of M&L says that, "regardless" of Nintendo's owning of everything else, SE owns Geno.

SE owns Geno- that much is clear. However, with them not working on this game and Geno's appearance being much more than a simple cameo, I'm sure Nintendo would have to put much more than a simple statement like that in the credits, assuming they didn't pay for that cameo at all.

Had to type this quick, so I'm sorry if some of my points don't make sense... I'll be back later...

 

[Enigma14]

Also think as to why Geno only appeared only in Mario related games, I too will be back later.

 

[LemonKing]

There is no doubt that they will have to pay a small fee no matter what to get Geno in the game, but Geno's ownership is kind of up in the air. Maybe the two companies co-own Geno and they don't even know it?

If you ask SE they will say "Ask Nintendo"
If you ask Nintendo they will say "Ask SE"

It's probably just laziness, but it makes me wonder... Do they really know who owns Geno? Maybe, Nintendo but the full rights to Geno, and they are just saying "Ask SE" as a cover-up because it would give Geno away.

/endsillytheory

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Because as the situation currently stands, third parties are either represented by stages (as the case with Nacmo and the Star Fox Assualt and DK: Jungle Beat Stage), ATs (as the case with Treasure with the AT of the heroine from Sin and Punishment) or characters (Snake and Sonic representing Konami and Sega respectively). In other words, the third parties involved so far are actually involved in significant ways in the game. Also, as I've already explained, Geno's chances of becoming an AT are extremelly low because the Mario franchise already has two, we already have 19 ATs, not all the playable franchises have been revealed yet, there are still 7 playable franchises that don't have at least one AT yet, and there are still plenty of smaller franchises that Nintendo hasn't tapped into yet.

Yay fatmanonice is on smashboards O: , Anyhow i'd laugh really hard if geno was revealed twomorrow for the 150th Update yet i would be so happy ( I Doubt it but hopefully we will see a good newcomer .) So what's the current discussion going on in here O:?

 

[LemonKing]

The normal. Arguing over what Party Geno really is. Normally, we talk about stuff like extra stages, AT, etc...

Today has been a slow day though.

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

Hrm.....got an idea for an AT...

Valentina and Dodo: Valentina appears, calls for Dodo, and Dodo carries away the person with the lowest amount of damage. Ten seconds later, the person comes back with +50 damage.

It reminds me of the first time I played SMRPG....Dodo took Geno when he was at half health... I was playing on a ROM and saved right when the battle had started. It took forever. >_O

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If they continue to add Geno to Mario style games after Brawl, I hope he doesn't end up as a filler character...like Waluigi and such...that would suck

But at the same time, those games ARE fun...

 

[~Krystal~]

Hrm.....got an idea for an AT...

Valentina and Dodo: Valentina appears, calls for Dodo, and Dodo carries away the person with the lowest amount of damage. Ten seconds later, the person comes back with +50 damage.

It reminds me of the first time I played SMRPG....Dodo took Geno when he was at half health... I was playing on a ROM and saved right when the battle had started. It took forever. >_O

Ack! Is there no way to avoid that AT?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

The normal. Arguing over what Party Geno really is. Normally, we talk about stuff like extra stages, AT, etc...

Today has been a slow day though.

Why are we discussing that ? I Mean how are we suppose to even be so sure ?
Anyhow i just want him in at this point , If he gets revealed twomorrow as i said i will be so happy (Or someone else i like.) Err maybe Claus for twomorrow (I Doubt it.) Or what about Super mario galaxy representation (Just stage-wise.) And what about smithy's castle for a course if geno makes the cut ? Or bowser's castle or w/e that goes into that sword (Exor or w/e , It's been a while since i've played and beaten SMRPG.) Then be sort of like Delfino plaza ? That would be cool...<_<.[/makes up things for all of us to talk about.]

 

[Devastlian]

There is no doubt that they will have to pay a small fee no matter what to get Geno in the game, but Geno's ownership is kind of up in the air. Maybe the two companies co-own Geno and they don't even know it?

If you ask SE they will say "Ask Nintendo"
If you ask Nintendo they will say "Ask SE"

It's probably just laziness, but it makes me wonder... Do they really know who owns Geno? Maybe, Nintendo but the full rights to Geno, and they are just saying "Ask SE" as a cover-up because it would give Geno away.

/endsillytheory

Well, look at the response Nintendo gave to McFox' e-mail in the first post of this thread.

 

[LemonKing]

Yeah, I've seen that one, but I've tried to contact them myself and they never give me a straight answer. Besides, why would a random Nintendo Rep know about Geno and Mallow without doing research (which I doubt they did). Maybe because they used Geno recently in a game of some kind >_>

 

[DynamiteSpoony]

A bit off of discussion...but one thing that's kind of peeved me about some Geno movesets is that they make Geno Flash his ^B and Whirl his FS. I can kind of understand that, but I prefer this:

B: Geno Beam (A far-reaching, thin laser. Relatively low damage)
^B: Geno Boost (Just a generic "move up really fast" type thing. With the red arrows, of course.)
</>B: Geno Whirl (Has a very, VERY small chance of doing 100%, kind of like Mr. G&W's hammer, only less likely. If this happens, he'll do his taunt, which WILL be his victory pose from SMRPG.)
vB: Geno Blast (Kind of like Pikachu's Thunder, only much shorter, less damage, but there's three beams of light)

FS: Geno Flash (Pretty much exactly how it works in SMRPG. Except in glorious 3D.)

 

[Fatmanonice]

And you believed them? Geno probably showed up during that one minigame in M&L because the director, who also directed SMRPG, liked him. He, combined with the fact that the founder of Alpha Dream is a former president of Squaresoft, very likely still has ties within Square-Enix and it was easy for them to get permission.

And it wouldn't be hard for them to get permission now because...? The fact that we now have Sonic shows that the process isn't as nightmarish as we thought it was (at least when both parties agree with the proposal) so I don't see what the big deal here is. If you really want to go with that arguement, Alpha Dream is now a second party to Nintendo so wouldn't the process be just as easy as it was 4 years ago?

Because they probably haven't fallen into this ridiculous fad of prejudicing characters based on whatever they're holding in their hand. Also, is there really any proof that SE would charge so much more compared to what Konami and SEGA already are? I mean, does SE do this often?

Considering how Goroh and Lyn were made into ATs (both of which were very worthy canidiates) it gives strong evidence that it isn't Sakurai's intention to add a ton of sword users this time around. It's called variety, my friend. Regarding the "rental costs" for Geno, what reason would SE have for charging an arm and a leg for him? You talk as if he's racking in millions of dollars for them each year which is obviously not the case. I think for this rebuttal you're just arguing for the sake of arguing...



There's no proof whatsoever that anyone other than Disney owns any of the original Kingdom Hearts properties. I agree that Cloud and Sora haven't been in enough Nintendo games, though.

The copyrights on the title screen of each KH game show how it it's legally divided.



You find out which is the most popular and/or recent like with Ike. For example, Cecil's game is the most popular of the Nintendo FF's in Japan (based on that Famitsu thing) and the remake is coming out about a month before SSBB which places it in a good advertising situation.

Ike's second party though and thus Nintendo doesn't have to pay to use him. There's also the fact that there's a good chance that FE will probably have more then one rep so it's not like all the representation of the franchise is being thrown on the shoulders of a single person. Regarding the advertising spiel, the developers probably decided the final character roster back in September of last year so I don't think they had that much foresight. What about the case for SMRPG for the VC then? IGN revealed that in December and we're basically comparing a game that's already been made to one that was (and apparently still is) in development.


...and what about the main series? The legendary hero Loto (aka Erdrick) is considered a video game icon in Japan and, combined with the fact that Dragon Quest is so mind-numbingly popular in Japan, DQ's popularity in the US has to at least match that of SMRPG.

Keyword words: in Japan. Sakurai said that his focus for most of the characters would be on a global scale. You also have to notice that when it comes to third party characters, Sakurai has been going with the biggest icons in the industry. Heck, if I was directing the game, I'd do the same thing because what would be the point of paying for someone that only one region is really even familar with? As I already mentioned, Geno, despite his legal situation, is exempted from this because no matter how you slice it, he's still a Mario character and unfit to represent Square Enix in its entirety.


Well, how do you know he's not worthless to Nintendo, too? That the return of paying for a popular SE character isn't worth it?

How do you know how much control Nintendo has over Geno, anyway? The copyright at the end of M&L says that, "regardless" of Nintendo's owning of everything else, SE owns Geno.

As I mentioned, Square Enix owns the character while Nintendo owns all the scenarios and story points. Geno played a role in the plot of SMRPG and thus falls into this. With that being said, he can't legally be used outside the context of this story without Nintendo's consent.

I'll get to the second half in a second...

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Guess Who? .

I'll get to the second half in a second...

You have yet to reply to my pm Fatmanonice >_< E: (One On smashboards , I Sentz youz one :O) And actually i have a question...If the likes of sonic and megaman and so on would be legal nightmares than what makes the fact that sora even through he has good buisness affairs and is very popular a legal nightmare ? And couldn't geno and sora BOTH Be in with Sora repping a third party slot and Geno for the mario series ? Just asking there.

Anyhow who likes the idea of smithy's castle as a course ? I Doubt it will happen even if geno is included in but we can always hope...(The smithy's castle-Bowser's castle with a freakishly huge sword on it .)

 

[Ryudo_Sama]

Hello people, I'm Ryudo from Nsider, I joined the Geno alliance as you can see from the Wiki page. The Nsider 2 site isn't working for me right now, so I decided to join this site, hello there.

 

[LemonKing]

You have to understand that Sora is co-owned by two different companies.

Square-Enix and Disney.

That means that in order for Sora to get in Square-Enix and Disney would have to give equal consent, and both would require a set fee for the use of Sora's character. Unlike Sonic and Megaman who would only need Sega and Capcom's consent.

That is the key difference.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Hello people, I'm Ryudo from Nsider, I joined the Geno alliance as you can see from the Wiki page. The Nsider 2 site isn't working for me right now, so I decided to join this site, hello there.

Nsider2 alliance on smashboards lawl...Hi...Great now your going to tell fatmanonice that daisy is moar deserving to run him up a wall-of-text , I Wonder whats with nsider2 ryudo O: It's wierd >.<.

You have to understand that Sora is co-owned by two different companies.

Square-Enix and Disney.

That means that in order for Sora to get in Square-Enix and Disney would have to give equal consent, and both would require a set fee for the use of Sora's character. Unlike Sonic and Megaman who would only need Sega and Capcom's consent.

That is the key difference.

Still they all have good relationship :Looks at ammount of numbers of KH Copies sold and the number of crudy disney games made on nintendo's liscensing: That's saying a lot...Not that i'm saying he is high likely but still he has that <_<.

 

[Ryudo_Sama]

Nah, I'm not going to make Fatmanonice mad this time. ^_^ I hope that Geno gets updated this week, I made a bet with someone that he would. <_<

 

[DarkSpidey13]

Hello people, I'm Ryudo from Nsider, I joined the Geno alliance as you can see from the Wiki page. The Nsider 2 site isn't working for me right now, so I decided to join this site, hello there.

heh....well now that all the Nsider2 Alliance members have moved here, we don't really need 2 factions anymore, do we?

 

[Darky Dee]

You have to understand that Sora is co-owned by two different companies.

Square-Enix and Disney.

That means that in order for Sora to get in Square-Enix and Disney would have to give equal consent, and both would require a set fee for the use of Sora's character. Unlike Sonic and Megaman who would only need Sega and Capcom's consent.

That is the key difference.

Nay, Sora is owned by Disney.

But you are right on that aspect about going through Square, because Sakurai would have to go through Square-Enix to use and come up with his move list, like using Reflectega, Firaga, etcetera. Despite all that the character Sora is owned by Disney, but yes, you would have to go through two companies for one character which is too much effort compared to someone like Sonic.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I kind of wish Culex had a chance of being a boss in Brawl... I imagine he'd be part of an event match and that it would be insanely hard even for the most salty of players. My thought is that Culex and the Four Elemental Crystals' attacks would be various final smashes. The game play footage that we've seen thus far have shown that most of the final smashes can be avoided (even though it can be really difficult to do so) so it'd definately make for an interesting match. For example, the Fire Crystal could have the Mario Finale, the Water Crystal could have whatever the Ice Climber's final smash is, the Earth Crystal could have heavy hitting ones like the Landmaster summon, the Wind Crystal could have Volt Tackle, and Culex could have the ones that are insanely hard to avoid to avoid like Peach Blossom and the Zero Lazer. This idea may sound a little weird but, when you think about, the attacks of those characters in SMRPG basically were the strongest moves in the game.

For more specifics, each crystal would have 200% and Culex would have 500%. In other words, the fight would be similar to how you fight Master/Crazy hand. The player would also be given 4 lives because, obviously, this even would be melt your face off hard. I imagine that there would be a really good reward for winning though like a voucher for one free VC game mailed to your "mailbox" on your Wii.

I know, you guys are probably thinking "O__o' Dear God, is he insane" but I absolutely love challenging boss battles and sometimes those are the sole reason why I buy certain games.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Culex would be interesting, but his entire purpose was to represent a generic FF Boss

that would be interesting...

 

[y3nia659]

I want Geno updated soon so all this wars about it end it's just annoying to see fans -vs- haters all the time talk only about this character. To me I'd prefer Geno as an AT or a single trophy, but right now I just don't care. I want all this nonsense to stop.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I kind of wish Culex had a chance of being a boss in Brawl... I imagine he'd be part of an event match and that it would be insanely hard even for the most salty of players. My thought is that Culex and the Four Elemental Crystals' attacks would be various final smashes. The game play footage that we've seen thus far have shown that most of the final smashes can be avoided (even though it can be really difficult to do so) so it'd definately make for an interesting match. For example, the Fire Crystal could have the Mario Finale, the Water Crystal could have whatever the Ice Climber's final smash is, the Earth Crystal could have heavy hitting ones like the Landmaster summon, the Wind Crystal could have Volt Tackle, and Culex could have the ones that are insanely hard to avoid to avoid like Peach Blossom and the Zero Lazer. This idea may sound a little weird but, when you think about, the attacks of those characters in SMRPG basically were the strongest moves in the game.

For more specifics, each crystal would have 200% and Culex would have 500%. In other words, the fight would be similar to how you fight Master/Crazy hand. The player would also be given 4 lives because, obviously, this even would be melt your face off hard. I imagine that there would be a really good reward for winning though like a voucher for one free VC game mailed to your "mailbox" on your Wii.

I know, you guys are probably thinking "O__o' Dear God, is he insane" but I absolutely love challenging boss battles and sometimes those are the sole reason why I buy certain games.

I already beat him <_< (In SMRPG , I Beat that game like a year ago so i don't remember well on it but that was hard.), Anyhow that would be interesting (Probably not a Boss.) Anyhow maybe we will AT LEAST See something like Smithy's castle maybe for a course ? So to make this feel like Nsider2 what do you all think As daisy for a boss in brawl XD XD XD?
Oh and Fatmanonice i replyed to your pm O: , Maybe Geno (OR SOMETHING ELSE!) Will be updated for The 150th update , Wow i remember when i was talking with some friends about the 100th O: And i thought it wasn't going to be that interesting.

 

[igloo9]

I personally don't care who gets into Brawl, as long as Geno does...

Quoted for freaking truth. As long as Geno gets in, I'm good. I just want all of this to stop; things like arguing with people who think he will not get in, going through all of this stuff, etc. I just hope Geno gets announced tomorrow so then after I freak out of excitement, I can just sit back, chill, and watch the rest of the Brawl updates.

Please, Sakurai. Confirm Geno tomorrow...please.

Geno for Brawl!

 

[LemonKing]

Even when Geno gets updated there will still be haters. The fighting won't stop just like how there are some haters for Sonic still lurking around here.

Though I can see your point

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Even when Geno gets updated there will still be haters. The fighting won't stop just like how there are some haters for Sonic still lurking around here.

Though I can see your point

After he's announced, their hate will be completely pointless and just serve for people to laugh at...

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Even when Geno gets updated there will still be haters. The fighting won't stop just like how there are some haters for Sonic still lurking around here.

Though I can see your point

And when geno get's updated we will all be annoying And ask for the next FF Rep...SORA4BRAWL.
Ok seriously who cares if they are still haters ? I hate mario[hypothetical speaking] , Will that affect his chanceS ? :Looks at side: And what am i going to do to you for hating him ? Who flipping cares , Besides one Mario newcomer And someone to fill up doc's spot (Paper mario ?) Comes into mind so Paper mario(Or someone else) and Geno would be a Great combination for that , One could be a starter and the other unlockable OR Them both unlockable.
Anyhow who cares if there are still haters seriously...And if he doesen't get in what will they do to us eh ? "ZOMG GENO DIDN'T GET IN HAHA NUB" Well at least we tryed and efforted and pulled together for the cause @_@ Besides brawl will still be great no matter what the haters do.(Which is my point.)