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It doesn't matter how far our public education goes. The point is that it is failing at every grade level.
I mean, all these arguments stating that UHC doesn't work don't exactly hold up. It's working in virtually all of Europe and even still in some developing countries.Wikipedia said:
I was not comparing health care to full on socialism. I was just showing why any socialism does not work. Because there will be many who are cheated and just stop trying, or leave, and those who just cheat the system for a free lunch. In the end there just isn't enough funds to support all the people and that is when rationing starts. After rationing is outright refusal of services. Already in Canada you might have to wait 4-6 weeks for the results of a breast exam compared to less than 2 weeks here. You could be in the emergency room waiting area for over 8 hours instead of the average 2 hours here. These are just some examples but there are many more. It is only a matter of time before it all collapses.
The United Nations compiled that list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_IndexKur said:
I did. I told you, every socialist policy put into place in the US has failed or is currently failing. Every country that relied on predominately socialist government has failed or is failing. With a track record like that, I can say I do not want any socialism in my country.
No, a true conservative capitalist system such as what the original constitution and declaration of independence described was highly successful. It wasn't until these socialist policies were introduced that the system began falling apart. The change was so subtle at first that not many people realized what was happening. Most Americans are not even aware that social security or the public school system are socialist policies.
Yes I do. No socialist policy has ever had any success over a long period of time. I believe the burden of proof would be on you to show me why this particular one would fair any better.
Why? Uh, because communism and marxism are just offshoots of socialism. Not much difference in them at all once you break it all down. And UHC as you call it is an extremely socialistic policy, even if the country that uses it is not socialist. And I already told you I know that the US is not the only country you can get rich in.
Figured as much. The UN is nothing but a big bunch of liberals that think they run the world. Not to mention they are not too fond of the US since Bush told them to screw off because they refused to be more forceful about getting weapons inspectors into Iraq.
That is because it is a bad thing. The liberal view is the direct opposite of the views that founded this country and made it great. And every time I turn around, the freedom that this country has fought for for so long is being stripped away bit by bit and it is ALWAYS traced back to some liberal who thinks he knows better than me how I should live my life. I can't afford to own a car because of gas prices. I can barely afford to buy food because the prices have gone up so high. And why are the prices high? Because some idiot liberal won't let Exxon drill for oil in Alaska. And why not? Because he is too stupid to realize that the drill site will be a mere 2000 acres out the the 19million acres the caribou live in. And for that stupidity the people in my country are paying insane prices for everything from gas to food, to clothes.
Of course I read your post.
Way to miss the point.
Ok. So?
No, you haven't given a single SHRED of evidence. All you are doing is justifying your claims with MORE claims. This is hilarious - you're talking about predominately socialist governments failing. Maybe so! I'm not denying that. The hilarious part is that we're not talking about socialist governments as a whole here. Canada is not socialist. Australia is not socialist. Europe is not socialist. They are capitalist countries that are thriving because their citizens have high standards of living.Kur said:
Again, claims with no evidence, and ignoring the fact that most nations (re: the vast majority) are capitalist. I love capitalism. Would I live in Canada if it wasn't capitalist? No.
I've already shown to you that the United States is the only industrialized, wealthy nation that does not support UHC. Your nation used to share that factoid with the nation of South Africa - guess what? Not any more. They've adopted UHC. Again, Germany has had UHC since the 1880s - are you sure the burden of proof lies with me?
Perhaps you didn't read the link. That decision was made on statistics ONLY. Numbers. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. Not because they disagree with the Iraq War. Funnily enough, the USA was around the same position on earlier lists, circa BEFORE the US invaded Iraq.
Based on statistics ALONE, you have absolutely no right to say something as arrogant as that. You act as if liberals are arrogant douchebags - then you go and claim your nation is the best in the world. Why? Sure, it's the most powerful. Sure, it's the wealthiest nation in the world. Most free citizens? Most balanced form of government?
The Patriot Act was created by Republicans as a quick response to 9/11 - nearly 2 years later. The Patriot Act IS not a conservative idea. Nowhere in the constitution does it state that we should give up civil liberties in times of threats and emergencies. Franklin hated the concept of big government and gave a quote on that idea, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
I am totally and completely against public education. Having gone to Catholic school, I have been conditioned to be a staunch atheist. Public schools fail because teachers are given no invested interest in the system, few chances for advancement, and no feedback from children force to learn things they do not wish to learn. In lieu of private school, I have no problem with home schooling, if they parents can pass a competency test to show they are fit to teach their own children. The reason nearly all private schools are religious is due to public school. Schools, in the market, have a forced demand. Public schools will appeal to all secular parents, whereas private schools will appeal to the rich who are religious. In an America without free public school, parents will have a choice between secular private or religious private or home school.
And? When did my life become the sole purpose to allow others to go to school? My parents paid 13 years of private school, but also had to pay taxes so continuous ****-ups could go to school and flunk out. Without the free public schools, parents could receive grants, scholarships, and loans if education is that important. If not, then they'll have to answer to their children why they didn't send them to school.
Public schools do just as much indoctrination as private schools. Talk to professors in college; nearly all are left wingers. They indoctrinate their beliefs in some capacity. Also, as stated, the market would dictate the need for other options.
Of course not. But their policies do have a better track record of working without infringing on our freedoms. Mostly because their policies reduce the amount the government has to do and as a result, the amount of taxes needed from me for them to do it.
Absolutely. In America right now there are far left judges on the supreme court making rulings outside of their job description. The left is telling me that I can not use regular light bulbs after 2012. The left is telling me that I can't drive a large SUV. The left is telling me that (if I owned an oil company) I can't drill for oil and actually reduce the gas prices. The left is telling me I can't have a bon fire on the beach in Washington or Northern California. The left is telling me that I can't have my thermostat set below 78 degrees. The left is telling me that I can not develop MY OWN LAND because there MIGHT be a bird (rare to that specific region) or something living there, even though there are millions of the things on the other side of a mountain. The left wants to tell me that I can't choose what health care I want and that they are going to forcefully take my money and make me use their health care. The left wants to tell me I can't drive my ATV except for on marked trails. The left wants to tell me I don't have the right to own a gun. The left wants to tell me I can't go hunting or fishing. The left wants to tell me I can't eat red meat. The left wants to tell me that it is ok to murder an unborn child.
No. The principles of the right make this the best country on earth. The US became the most powerful and (in my opinion) best country on earth while acting on the founding principles of the constitution. The constitution could never be mistaken for a leftist idea.
Patriot act
Because not one of these examples ever denied me from doing anything. Not one of these examples was used on anybody other than known terrorists. They are simply intelligence collecting tools.
Bush is not conservative. He is a moderate Republican in practice, even if he claims to be conservative. And as I have previously pointed out, those acts and policies were passed by both republicans and democrats in the congress. I have also pointed out that the wire taps were not a violation of my rights. They were listening in on calls from outside the US. They are not protected by the constitution.
It sucks. It continually turns out sub par results and does not seem to care to try to give children the desire to learn. My own brother graduated from public high school with a 3.0 GPA and NOT knowing how to spell his own middle name. He can barely read. I learned more about how science works doing my own research on the internet than I did in 12 years of public education. It is fact that public school and even home school students continually out perform public school students on test scores.
Yes.
That is the beauty of free market. If you don't like how you are being serviced, you go to the competitor. Socialist public school basically forces you into one option. Sure, you can always opt out and send your child to a private school, but the government will not cut public school funding from your taxes if you do.
Are you really saying this? Parents are already paying for their kids to go to school. It is called taxes. Abolish public schools and you can also abolish the portion of taxes out of parents checks that pay for them, freeing up money for private school. And don't act like all private schooling is so expensive because it isn't. And without public schools to hog all the students, the private schools will have to be able to compete with each other, resulting in lower tuition and better performance. Free market works.
Nothing here I haven't already addressed. Except that public schools have an incredible amount of brainwashing going on. Global warming is taught as fact even though there is real evidence to contradict it. Students are taught almost exclusively liberal propaganda, and it results in students growing up to be less than they could be and content to settle for 'good enough' because if they fail the government will always take care of them with welfare, and food stamps, and UHC anyway.
CK, I can't understand how this is all you have towards his arguments. Drug dealers not threats to America? It depends on your definiton of threat. Alot of street violence is because of the trafficing of drugs. How many gang fights and gang crime could be linked directly and indirectly to drugs? And so what if they are using this against drug dealers? Do you seriously have a problem with them using it against something that is illegal?
That's a whole new ball game my friend. That in it self is a slippery slope. But that's not the point, the point is wire-tapping is not going to affect 99.9% of americans unless you're doing something illegal.
I see nothing to spin as far as this video. it would be a shame to just leave Iraq now in shambles. The Sunni and Shiite groups would explode into an all out civil war, Iran would try to stake their claim in the land as peacemakers when they are actually taking over political control of Iraq. This would lead to a very volitile situation in the Middle East. What McCain means in his 100 years quote is that, basically, it doesnt matter how long we stay in Iraq, but we have to stabilize the area, maintain some peace, and get the job done. Whatever the number of years are, it doesn't matter. Get the job done, stabilize the region and work with the people and military of Iraq to eventually have them do all the fighting! Once the soldiers are trained properly, the government is set up the right way, and the Iraqi soldiers are the ones actually combatting the terrorists, then we can leave Iraq.
We're not obligated to do this, but because Bush felt the need to, we're now wasting the lives of thousands of soldiers just so a country that doesn't give a **** about us can have democracy.
It doesn't matter if it's stable now or not; the fact is that thousands of troops lost their lives for a cause many people would deem unworthy and pointless. Bush showed the American people how much he cared about our say in things when he dragged us into an unwarranted war.
Good ol' fashoned family racism.
Our say in things? What are you talking about. At the beginning of the war, 72% of the people in the U.S. supported the War in Iraq.
I already pointed this out to you in another thread, but congress granted Bush the War Powers Resolution act, enabling him to attack Iraq.
...no those buttons sure do seem pretty racist to me. Because... you know, if a black person were in the "white house" it wouldn't be a "white" house anymore... You get it? It's a racist joke.
But then it wouldn't be funny or catchy and then they couldn't sell the buttons.
And honestly it would not surprise me if he brought up the issue.Barrack Obama said:
