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Actually his ground normals are on average the least laggy (as in cooldown) in the game by a good margin :I. IIRC his aerials don't fair badly either (though their duration isn't great). His problems lie elsewhere... like generally having pretty slow startup.
I guess he could be top of F tier.
Do I even need to start with my part, besides the fact I am seriously laughing at all of the idiots who say "zong, Ike is da second worse in da game, u just ps all of his non-jab moves lolololol"? They already just got backhanded by San. Him beating
Tyrant loses to random characters. Ness, Fox, Pikachu, IKE, lol.
Nah, I'd say D3 > ZSS. He's able to shut down more of the cast effectively.
I doubt that's why he lost. Shields are a weakness of hers but it isn't insurmountable. Predict the shield and let them sit in it, or dtilt and dash the other way. It isn't like she HAS to attack a shielding opponent.
I read that wrong I take it. My bad. I have like five different tabs open right now, sue me. lol
My bad. He still lost to random characters though.
But not everyone HAS to sit in their shields, you know. Once they hit her mid-range they start shielding whenever ZSS seems to want to do an attack. If she's on the ground, shield anyway but keep your eyes peeled for a grab, then spotdodge/roll somewhere (since you're already in a shield you waste no time).
Yeah, but their weaknesses can't be exploited to the level ZSS's can. Every character can shield her stuff (except maybe Yoshi), but not every character can gimp Snake's recovery, or juggle him without blowing up his pulled grenades, or get beaten by his nair or bair. Plus, Snake's strengths are much better than ZSS's so it's only natural that even with his weaknesses, he's still that much higher.
This is true, too, absolutely. But does ZSS really place like Toon Link or Pit? Or would you say she places about as well as Olimar, Lucario, and G&W? (I would certainly say better, but whatever.)
I just want to confirm that Snakee, Dazwa, and Nick Riddle all live in the east coast, and that Nick Riddle only recently started traveling, is this correct? If it is, that means an entire side of the nation has not experienced Zero Suit on a high-level (assuming many of them don't travel), Including Tyrant. Late 2008 to now is not as long as you think; things about Jigglypuff vs Fox have only now (a year and a half ago or so actually) been discovered in SSBM, and it's been nine years since it's release. Please do not ignore the fact that Zero Suit is an uncommon character in any region.
Right, but we're not trying to represent the metagame seven years from now with a tier list.
I disagree. Link is -really- bad.
I definitely expected people to say things like that in response, haha. It's really scary when people say things like "Link should be mid tier" and you look and that's like eleven spots away.
I've always favored matchup based tier lists, rather than tier lists heavily influenced by placement. Placement is affected by character popularity and disparity of player skill, whereas matchups are supposed to be an objective overview of character tools vs character tools.
Depends on when Samus finally gets enough killing power to knock Link off stage obviously.
Just based on the MK and Snake match-ups, I would say she does. Other than Falco her worst match-up is 4/6 and there aren't that many of them. And yeah, Falco is bad, but to be fair, Falco has match-ups worse than his match-up with ZSS with one or two characters that make his life very difficult.
Wait... Who in the world is WarpStatus.
