The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[AlcyoNite]

yeah nice to see that melee designers cant center a circle.

who says compasses are useless in grade school?

 

[Juno McGrath]

i want one for peach's down smash on a platform please.

 

[vZakat]

Marth's grab range behind him is ********...with a dash grab at least.

 

[~Twitch~]

super disjointed hitbox bros.

Marth's grab range behind him is ********...with a dash grab at least.

pffffffffhahahhahahhahaha!!!

 

[DJRome]

focus more on the lack of yellow boxes

 

[Dark Hart]

Marth's grab range behind him is ********...with a dash grab at least.

(O0)

*get idea for **** mindgame*

focus more on the lack of yellow boxes

I... didn't even notice that.

 

[~Twitch~]

i want to see marth's fair and fsmash. :D

 

[Diatenshi]

Marth's grab range behind him is ********...with a dash grab at least.

JC grab... dont dash grab

that gif doesnt mean much

 

[AlcyoNite]

guys,

fox has an INVINCIBLE move

omg broken!?!?

 

[Dark Hart]

i want to see marth's fair and fsmash. :D

Forward Smash

Fair

 

[stingers]

focus more on the lack of yellow boxes

because they don't put hurtboxes on things in the z axis lol. the melee battle system doesnt actually have a z axis but the models do.

 

[vZakat]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283973
everyone should just check this thread for updates and stuff about hitboxes and such. No need to continually spam this thread with it. Just sayin >_>

Edit - although it doesn't have the IC's link in the first post yet.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11080330

 

[DJRome]

what do you know, three colors

 

[Dark Hart]

Not gonna lie, DJ, I have no idea what that is.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

wtf is that? firefox?

 

[Dark Hart]

Sheik Up Smash?

 

[AlcyoNite]

Sheik Up Smash?

everyone's favorite

 

[Dark Hart]

*Hit Sheik's feet when she up smashs*

 

[DJRome]

doo, marf dtilt beat sheik

 

[Dark Hart]

So true, look at this silly thing. It works with other characters too, though.

I've mentioned this a few times to different people, but I haven't really carefully explained it, so I decided to make a thread about it.

Keep in mind that the only way I have of capturing these images is photographing the TV screen with a digital camera, so the quality isn't Magus level, but they get the point across, I think.

Basically I'm showing what Marth's dtilt looks like against Sheik's shield, then what happens when Marth holds away while Sheik grabs on the soonest possible frame.

This one is just to show the spacing. I don't know what the minimum safe range is. Jumping forward a bit...

This is the final frame of Sheik's shield stun.

This is the frame before Sheik's grab hits. I wonder what will happen...?

HEY WHERE'D YOU GO?

Same image as above with hitboxes/hurtboxes shown. As you can see, Marth could start the dtilt even closer and still be safe.

Like I said, this demonstration assumes perfect timing on Sheik's part and a simple directional input on Marth's part. It's extremely practical and easy to do.

This works even better against characters with smaller grabs (Fox, Falco, Peach).

I hope somebody can find some utility in this.

 

[Diatenshi]

Noooo dont show that to the sheik main!!!!

 

[Dark Hart]

Quit being selfish, M@

 

[Diatenshi]

Quit being selfish, M@

sowwyyyyyy

btw i was lookin at random ****, pichu only has 2 frame of landing lag, next closest is 4 frames, sooooo tomahawk works best with pichu, if he actually had grabby arms....

im liking pikachu more nowadays, but im awful with him....

gotta find a 2nd anywayyyyy.....

 

[Dr Peepee]

I LOVE MARTH

and saw that thread and was like raaaaaaape

I need to do that more.

 

[stingers]

what is tomahawk

is it just empty short hop?

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, followed by an attack, or oftentimes a grab.

edit: i think i was just trolled. theres no way stingers didn't know that...****.

 

[Diatenshi]

lol with you pp you could do somekind of Dashaway pivot Fsmash

 

[stingers]

i see

i started empty short hopping in brawl recently. pretty ****

 

[Dr Peepee]

lol with you pp you could do somekind of Dashaway pivot Fsmash

Arc from the MW did that a ton and it was surprisingly effective.

I like to do Dtilt DD Nair because of the poking/spotdodge **** but in reality that Nair is a terrible idea lol. I think I might start dash attacking instead.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

pp, with any and every dash attack do you focus on making sure you cross over so as to not get shield grabbed, or do u just shine afterwards either way and that takes care of it?

 

[Diatenshi]

Arc from the MW did that a ton and it was surprisingly effective.

I like to do Dtilt DD Nair because of the poking/spotdodge **** but in reality that Nair is a terrible idea lol. I think I might start dash attacking instead.

i really wanna work on the double fair OOS.OOD...

dash, sheild cancels momentum, double fair, DI if you wanna fade, pressure, or maintain space

 

[Juno McGrath]

i want one for peach's down smash on a platform please.

seriously.

 

[Dr Peepee]

pp, with any and every dash attack do you focus on making sure you cross over so as to not get shield grabbed, or do u just shine afterwards either way and that takes care of it?

Assuming it gets shielded?

Well I usually don't think about it when I'm doing the dash attack because I just want to get the hit quickly lol. Shining afterward is typical unless I can see the whiffed grab attempt or know I got through them(I usually shine after anyway though).

 

[stingers]

chris i wasnt trolling. i hadnt even heard tomahawk before someone at mlg was like "is stingers really tomahawking dsmashes?" and I couldnt really tell who it was

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, i'm assuming it gets shielded. its a problem i run into as ganon, cause when it doesnt get shielded i'm in great shape (lol) when it does get shielded and i cross over, i'm in decent shape (runaway bair or something), but when it gets shielded and i'm still there...horrible things happen. its an odd give and take, cause if i wait longer, i might miss the hit and drop the combo/combo starter/punish, but at least i'll be in a less compromised position if its shielded.

:-\ this game.

edit: oh, ok stingers. well good **** tomahawking dsmashes. if i played a character with a better poking dtilt/dsmash, i'd probably do that a lot. super smart, and as ganon, i love shield poking. ah, fair through platforms....

 

[Dr Peepee]

Oh yeah you did start doing that.

Very good idea.

Tomahawking is legit.

Edit: Ganon's dash attack is safer I'm pretty sure, so you have that....

 

[Gardevior]

Safer than what?

 

[ZoSo]

I LOVE MARTH

and saw that thread and was like raaaaaaape

I need to do that more.

*swoons*

 

[Dr Peepee]

LMAO

<3 Zoso, that guy's cool.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

*swoons*

god****it zoso you cute mofo