The New Phantom Thief of Persona 5 The Royal - Kasumi Yoshizawa/"Jane"

[EarlTamm]

actually naw, that's a shotgun

definitely not

I feel like you could still have it finction like the gun though, except you trade speed for power.

 

[Teeb147]

I need to see a picture with the knife. But im gonna say things are looking good up to now.
Nothing confirming tho

 

[EarlTamm]

Just to let you guys know, I will be editing the first post, thread title and add a new poll later today.

I think things look good as of now. It appears that her weapon is more of a sword of sorts, but it's really short. The fact that Jokers grappling hook is here also helps, as it shows Sakurai knew things about P5R.

 

[Teeb147]

Just to let you guys know, I will be editing the first post, thread title and add a new poll later today.

I think things look good as of now. It appears that her weapon is more of a sword of sorts, but it's really short. The fact that Jokers grappling hook is here also helps, as it shows Sakurai knew things about P5R.

Take your time. I guess you could put 'kasumi' in the title too, if that's really her name.

And good point about the hook. I dont remember seeing it in p5 but i didnt see everything so i wonder if it really is new to p5r.

 

[EarlTamm]

Take your time. I guess you could put 'kasumi' in the title too, if that's really her name.

And good point about the hook. I dont remember seeing it in p5 but i didnt see everything so i wonder if it really is new to p5r.

The hook was in the menus, but this is the first serious use of it.

 

[Teeb147]

The hook was in the menus, but this is the first serious use of it.

Hmm.. so i guess it's not totally new :/
I remember chains but not a hookshot.

Also, I just made a new gif. it's in my sig

 

[EarlTamm]

Hmm.. so i guess it's not totally new :/
I remember chains but not a hookshot.

Also, I just made a new gif. it's in my sig

Well, this is still the first gameplay demonstration, so I still think it matters.

 

[dezeray112]

So I just saw the new Persona 5 Royal trailer, and I could see the new female character in which I assume she is called Jane in action for the first time. I think she wields a sword and what seems to be a shotgun if what I saw was correct.

 

[Teeb147]

So I just saw the new Persona 5 Royal trailer, and I could see the new female character in which I assume she is called Jane in action for the first time. I think she wields a sword and what seems to be a shotgun if what I saw was correct.

Apart from her name being kasumi, yup that's correct:

 

[EarlTamm]

Apart from her name being kasumi, yup that's correct:

I noted it in the Ultimate Social Thread, but I will not it here as well. Her design is very similar to Joker. She has the red gloves, the black clothing, the longcoat and the pointy shoes. The two big differences with her is that she is wearing less and her mask is black, but even then it's pretty clear that she is a counterpart to Joker.

 

[Teeb147]

I noted it in the Ultimate Social Thread, but I will not it here as well. Her design is very similar to Joker. She has the red gloves, the black clothing, the longcoat and the pointy shoes. The two big differences with her is that she is wearing less and her mask is black, but even then it's pretty clear that she is a counterpart to Joker.

There's stuff that's similar in style yeah. I dont know if I'd say counterpart.
I'm kinda wondering what people will find out from translating the trailer and all that.

 

[EarlTamm]

I wish we got to see her Persona, as that could help determine this echo situation much easier.

 

[Teeb147]

I'm going to add the gif of her fighting here too, just for reference

I wish we got to see her Persona, as that could help determine this echo situation much easier.

I mean, so long as it has limbs, I think we're ok ;p

 

[dezeray112]

Apart from her name being kasumi, yup that's correct:

Ah I see. Makes me wonder what her persona will be like.

 

[Teeb147]

Ah I see. Makes me wonder what her persona will be like.

Me too. we might see it in May, hopefully.

well it was fun, but i do really gotta go. cheers!

 

[EarlTamm]

Felt like asking this here because it is her thread after all...

Hey Ovaltine , what do you think of Kasumi now that we have seen more of her?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hey, does somebody care to explain to me what was revealed today? I'm not using YouTube this week.

 

[EarlTamm]

Hey, does somebody care to explain to me what was revealed today? I'm not using YouTube this week.

Well, P5R is pretty much P4G on crack, couple of new characters, Joker uses his grappling hook in actual gameplay, Morgana is likely going to turn into a human this game, Kasumi(Who is the girl this thread is for) is revealed as a Phantom Thief and she has a lot of traits similarl to Joker design wise, and there are a whole bunch revamps in about everything.

Also darts.

And pool.

And I know I missed some stuff but I am typing this all on a phone and I figure this is enough for now.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Well, P5R is pretty much P4G on crack, couple of new characters, Joker uses his grappling hook in actual gameplay, Morgana is likely going to turn into a human this game, Kasumi(Who is the girl this thread is for) is revealed as a Phantom Thief and she has a lot of traits similarl to Joker design wise, and there are a whole bunch revamps in about everything.

Also darts.

And pool.

And I know I missed some stuff but I am typing this all on a phone and I figure this is enough for now.

Alright, thanks. It's safe to say that the grappling hook means Nintendo had some behind the scenes knowledge of this game. I think it both helps and hurts our new girl.

 

[EarlTamm]

Alright, thanks. It's safe to say that the grappling hook means Nintendo had some behind the scenes knowledge of this game. I think it both helps and hurts our new girl.

I know why that helps, but why does it hurt?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Not a FeMC, but she does appear to weild a knife like Joker.

Actually, that's a sword she's got.

 

[EarlTamm]

Actually, that's a sword she's got.

I know now, I just saw the shadow of it in gameplay and it looked like a knife. It was rather short.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I know why that helps, but why does it hurt?

Well, if Nintendo had knowledge behind the scenes, then they probably knew she'd be revealed today. That begs the question: if she is an alt or an Echo that will be sold later, why not reveal her today?

 

[OnyanRings]

The sword... The gun... she definitely could have been a Joker alt !
I think the only thing holding her back is can she use Arsene ?
Maybe Nintendo saw her and thought that she would be just a female counterpart and scrapped her when they learned that she wasn't ?
I don't know if that makes sens but it's my theory for the moment.

 

[Ovaltine]

Felt like asking this here because it is her thread after all...

Hey Ovaltine , what do you think of Kasumi now that we have seen more of her?

I love her and am internally screaming forever

That is all

 

[Teeb147]

Well, if Nintendo had knowledge behind the scenes, then they probably knew she'd be revealed today. That begs the question: if she is an alt or an Echo that will be sold later, why not reveal her today?

Well she was revealed today.

If you mean for smash, then I doubt they'd do that until we get more significant info.
Like, we wouldn't be able to play her until we know her persona, at the very least.

I could see a couple scenarios. One is that they reveal her for smash within the next month. Because on may 9th we'll get more info on p5r. If that doesnt happen, then it's either she was scrapped (or was never in), or would be revealed near the release of p5r... which would kinda suck because that's a whole 4-5 months away just for the japanese release :/

It's a bit crazy to me just how 'in-between' the info we got puts her.
She's a phantom thief! But she's an extra party member.
She can use a blade and a gun with one hand each! But it's a sword and a shotgun.
She could be Jane, but we have no real way of knowing that besides the ponytails being a big connection.
She could be an echo, but the game's release is a decent amount of months away.

I feel caught in a tug o' war :O

 

[EarlTamm]

Well she was revealed today.

If you mean for smash, then I doubt they'd do that until we get more significant info.
Like, we wouldn't be able to play her until we know her persona, at the very least.

I could see a couple scenarios. One is that they reveal her for smash within the next month. Because on may 9th we'll get more info on p5r. If that doesnt happen, then it's either she was scrapped (or was never in), or would be revealed near the release of p5r... which would kinda suck because that's a whole 4-5 months away just for the japanese release :/

It's a bit crazy to me just how 'in-between' the info we got puts her.
She's a phantom thief! But she's an extra party member.
She can use a blade and a gun with one hand each! But it's a sword and a shotgun.
She could be Jane, but we have no real way of knowing that besides the ponytails being a big connection.
She could be an echo, but the game's release is a decent amount of months away.

I feel caught in a tug o' war :O

It really is coming down to the Persona. If that thing has wings, people are going to lose their minds.

 

[Teeb147]

It really is coming down to the Persona. If that thing has wings, people are going to lose their minds.

Could also have a different up-b, but yeah it'd be much simpler to speculate optimistically if we see wings XD

 

[BZL8]

I said it in the social thread, but inb4 Kasumi is a Challenger Pack and not just some alt/echo fighter.

 

[EarlTamm]

I will note this here because I don't want to double post, but can you update the update the support directory Verde Coeden Scalesworth ? Before we only had Jane to go off of, but now we have her official name and I have updated the thread title to account for this(Still kept the Jane in quotation marks in, just because it's become such a notable name for her). I guess even then we are not in the clear name wise, as Akechi uses his PT title of Crow as his directory name and we don't have Kasumi's title yet, but I figure it's best just to put in the most official name.

Edit:
Also, I have put a notice on the first post. Began working on some changes, but it will take some time.

Edit 2:
Thanks for the name change Chinderblock.

 

[Izanagi97]

I thought the gun was a Lever Action Rifle (since Ryuji already uses shotguns)

 

[EarlTamm]

Well, if Nintendo had knowledge behind the scenes, then they probably knew she'd be revealed today. That begs the question: if she is an alt or an Echo that will be sold later, why not reveal her today?

Well, we don't know her Persona, so there is that. Plus, I imagine they would want to soace out Smash x Persona news. We just got Joker after all, and we are still decently far off from P5R being released. Wait for news and hype to die down for both, then reveal this character to bring the hype back up again. Also, I don't think they have assigned an english voice actor for her, so that's also a barrier.

The sword... The gun... she definitely could have been a Joker alt !
I think the only thing holding her back is can she use Arsene ?
Maybe Nintendo saw her and thought that she would be just a female counterpart and scrapped her when they learned that she wasn't ?
I don't know if that makes sens but it's my theory for the moment.

I am sure Nintendo and Sakurai would've been given more than enough info to determine that Joker and her are different. Atlus would have at least discussed her basic character description and we have seen plebty of info and photos of the two together.

I love her and am internally screaming forever

That is all

I thought so. Seems like the type of character you would like.

On a side note, does anyone know how to change a thread poll to a different question?

Edit:

I thought the gun was a Lever Action Rifle (since Ryuji already uses shotguns)

I wouldn't know. Can you confirm that?

 

[Izanagi97]

I wouldn't know. Can you confirm that?

Well, besides being identified as such on the Persona 5 subreddit, there is very little overlap in terms of what weapons the Phantom Thieves use. The closest to being the same weapons are Joker, Makoto, and Akechi using pistols and Yusuke, Kasumi and, Akechi using swords and they still manage to be different (for guns, Joker uses semi autos, Makoto uses revolvers, and Akechi uses ray guns and for swords, Yusuke uses a katana, Kasumi uses a regular sword, and Akechi uses a laser sword)

 

[Kirbeh]

Well I called her not being a FemC at least, and I love her design, but this didn't help her case much.

>General

Pros

-Cool design

Cons

-Cool design that would more than likely require censorship.

>Echo Status

Cons

-She's got a short sword, but it's still significantly longer than Joker's knife.
-Shotgun/rifle instead of a handgun.

Pros

-Shotgun/rifle is somewhat on the smaller side and wielded in one hand.

Unknowns

-Persona
-Spell affinity
-Grapple

Now the above cons I listed might not matter depending on how Sakurai would decide to handle her. Given how flexible Echo's are in design and his own love of Persona, I could potentially see him go all in to make it work.

For one, her sword could be shortened just a tad. Still longer than Joker's knife, but working in a way where she has longer reach at the cost of power, whereas the shotgun/rifle would have more power but slower firing rate.

The second biggest factor (role in P5R being the most important) here though is whatever her Persona turns out to be. Will it be similar to Arsene? Will she have access to curse spells or a different affinity? Is the grapple in R just a Joker thing? There's still a lot we need to learn about her.

Overall though, unless she plays a really major role that makes her significantly more important than the rest of the P5 party members then I don't think she's Jane or in the running at all.

 

[EarlTamm]

Well I called her not being a FemC at least, and I love her design, but this didn't help her case much.

>General

Pros

-Cool design

Cons

-Cool design that would more than likely require censorship.

>Echo Status

Cons

-She's got a short sword, but it's still significantly longer than Joker's knife.
-Shotgun/rifle instead of a handgun.

Pros

-Shotgun/rifle is somewhat on the smaller side and wielded in one hand.

Unknowns

-Persona
-Spell affinity
-Grapple

Now the above cons I listed might not matter depending on how Sakurai would decide to handle her. Given how flexible Echo's are in design and his own love of Persona, I could potentially see him go all in to make it work.

For one, her sword could be shortened just a tad. Still longer than Joker's knife, but working in a way where she has longer reach at the cost of power, whereas the shotgun/rifle would have more power but slower firing rate.

The second biggest factor (role in P5R being the most important) here though is whatever her Persona turns out to be. Will it be similar to Arsene? Will she have access to curse spells or a different affinity? Is the grapple in R just a Joker thing? There's still a lot we need to learn about her.

Overall though, unless she plays a really major role that makes her significantly more important than the rest of the P5 party members then I don't think she's Jane or in the running at all.

I don't think they would censor her clothing, especially since it's pretty much just a gymnastic leotard. Since she is a athlete, that's plenty justification. And lets not forget, Nintendo put Peach, Daisy and Rosalina in the same thing with little trouble. It's also clear she will be plenty important. Besides the fact that she is one of the biggest faces on the art in the spoiler below, her design is a clearly inspired off of Jokers. She has the same red gloved, black suited long coat with pointy shoes and so on. Just compare the two.

Spoiler: Art

 

[Izanagi97]

Well I called her not being a FemC at least, and I love her design, but this didn't help her case much.

>General

Pros

-Cool design

Cons

-Cool design that would more than likely require censorship.

>Echo Status

Cons

-She's got a short sword, but it's still significantly longer than Joker's knife.
-Shotgun/rifle instead of a handgun.

Pros

-Shotgun/rifle is somewhat on the smaller side and wielded in one hand.

Unknowns

-Persona
-Spell affinity
-Grapple

Now the above cons I listed might not matter depending on how Sakurai would decide to handle her. Given how flexible Echo's are in design and his own love of Persona, I could potentially see him go all in to make it work.

For one, her sword could be shortened just a tad. Still longer than Joker's knife, but working in a way where she has longer reach at the cost of power, whereas the shotgun/rifle would have more power but slower firing rate.

The second biggest factor (role in P5R being the most important) here though is whatever her Persona turns out to be. Will it be similar to Arsene? Will she have access to curse spells or a different affinity? Is the grapple in R just a Joker thing? There's still a lot we need to learn about her.

Overall though, unless she plays a really major role that makes her significantly more important than the rest of the P5 party members then I don't think she's Jane or in the running at all.

I mean they were able to make Ken an echo despite having at least 6 different normals, a couple different command inputs, and faster ground movement (though that was mostly due to Ken being the original echo) so I'd imagine that Kasumi could be a similar case of a semi clone classed as an echo despite having different weapons (Broadswords and Hunting Rifles, starter seems to be an Estoc and a Lever Action), height (best guess I have from screenshots is slightly shorter than Makoto which would probably put her at around 5'3" or 160.1cm), and presumably persona (only guess I have for affinity is Physical going off SP count)

 

[Kirbeh]

I mean they were able to make Ken an echo despite having at least 6 different normals, a couple different command inputs, and faster ground movement (though that was mostly due to Ken being the original echo) so I'd imagine that Kasumi could be a similar case of a semi clone classed as an echo despite having different weapons (Broadswords and Hunting Rifles, starter seems to be an Estoc and a Lever Action), height (best guess I have from screenshots is slightly shorter than Makoto which would probably put her at around 5'3" or 160.1cm), and presumably persona (only guess I have for affinity is Physical going off SP count)

Ken is exactly who I was thinking of when comparing her to Joker. The only thing that makes her a bit more of a stretch than even Ken (imo) however is the sword. I think it's very possible/plausible to have as an Echo with a bit of a longer reach, but until we see more of how she moves in game (though from what we did see she seems similar enough), I don't want settle on that point quite yet. That and we still need to see her Persona.

I don't think they would censor her clothing, especially since it's pretty much just a gymnastic leotard. Since she is a athlete, that's plenty justification. And lets not forget, Nintendo put Peach, Daisy and Rosalina in the same thing with little trouble. It's also clear she will be plenty important. Besides the fact that she is one of the biggest faces on the art in the spoiler below, her design is a clearly inspired off of Jokers. She has the same red gloved, black suited long coat with pointy shoes and so on. Just compare the two.

Given how inconsistent ratings boards are with these things, I still likely see them giving her black tights like they did for Corrin and Mythra's spirit. And with that, at the very least the designs would be even more similar than they already are.

Overall though, I wasn't arguing visual design, if anything I think she nails it as a Joker even if she isn't a FemC. Even with the little we saw of her in game, I think Joker's knife and gunplay could transfer over to her easily. Again though, the only issue I see is the sword. With the art side by side, it seems like it's at least twice the length of Joker's knife.

As I said above, I do still think it's perfectly doable and even plausible, but even with as much prominence as she seems to be getting now, I think part of that might just be the advertising angle given that's she's new. If it persists and then follows through with her being really major in game then that's when I'll be 100% sold.

I mean I'm already 100% in wanting her, (and I'm already sold on buying P5R), but I'm only at like a 70% or 80% on thinking she was Jane. Her persona reveal can't come soon enough.

 

[EarlTamm]

Ken is exactly who I was thinking of when comparing her to Joker. The only thing that makes her a bit more of a stretch than even Ken (imo) however is the sword. I think it's very possible/plausible to have as an Echo with a bit of a longer reach, but until we see more of how she moves in game (though from what we did see she seems similar enough), I don't want settle on that point quite yet. That and we still need to see her Persona.


Given how inconsistent ratings boards are with these things, I still likely see them giving her black tights like they did for Corrin and Mythra's spirit. And with that, at the very least the designs would be even more similar than they already are.

Overall though, I wasn't arguing visual design, if anything I think she nails it as a Joker even if she isn't a FemC. Even with the little we saw of her in game, I think Joker's knife and gunplay could transfer over to her easily. Again though, the only issue I see is the sword. With the art side by side, it seems like it's at least twice the length of Joker's knife.

As I said above, I do still think it's perfectly doable and even plausible, but even with as much prominence as she seems to be getting now, I think part of that might just be the advertising angle given that's she's new. If it persists and then follows through with her being really major in game then that's when I'll be 100% sold.

I mean I'm already 100% in wanting her, (and I'm already sold on buying P5R), but I'm only at like a 70% or 80% on thinking she was Jane. Her persona reveal can't come soon enough.

Yeah, it almost feels like her design was made as a what if P5 had FeMC. I am not saying she was ever planned to be one, that was just the design mindset they had in mind. As for censorship, I think her gymnastic character background might get her through. Not for sure, but I think it will help.

I agree that her sword is the thing holding her back the most as of now, but even that isn't much considering how different echo's can actually get(I am looking at you Ken).

I think it's safe to say that she will be a major character, even above most of the other Phantom Thieves members. She has been stated to have her own unknown motivations for joining the Phantom Thieves(As it's made clear she dislike them), even going as far to have the site question if whether she is friend or foe. And the fact that she is a clear foil to Joker helps that even more. Besides the previously mentioned aesthetic similarities, she is also a transfer student that arrives the same time as Joker, and she apparently admires Joker specifically despite her dislike of the Phantom Thieves. The fact that she also seems to be interacting with Akechi a lot helps as well, as he is also a foil to Joker and is rather important. Heck, there is a pic of the three hanging out to drink coffee(Except for Joker, ironically).

Spoiler: Picture

There is some clear set up here that marks her as a rather different and almost out of place Phantom Thief, possibly even a traitor in some regards.

Spoiler: Persona 5 and 4 Spoilers

Just like Akechi. Really, Persona has a history of making foils to the main character important. P4's culprit was Adachi, who was a very clear foil to Yu.

 

[Teeb147]

Yeah, it almost feels like her design was made as a what if P5 had FeMC. I am not saying she was ever planned to be one, that was just the design mindset they had in mind. As for censorship, I think her gymnastic character background might get her through. Not for sure, but I think it will help.

I agree that her sword is the thing holding her back the most as of now, but even that isn't much considering how different echo's can actually get(I am looking at you Ken).

I think it's safe to say that she will be a major character, even above most of the other Phantom Thieves members. She has been stated to have her own unknown motivations for joining the Phantom Thieves(As it's made clear she dislike them), even going as far to have the site question if whether she is friend or foe. And the fact that she is a clear foil to Joker helps that even more. Besides the previously mentioned aesthetic similarities, she is also a transfer student that arrives the same time as Joker, and she apparently admires Joker specifically despite her dislike of the Phantom Thieves. The fact that she also seems to be interacting with Akechi a lot helps as well, as he is also a foil to Joker and is rather important. Heck, there is a pic of the three hanging out to drink coffee(Except for Joker, ironically).

Spoiler: Picture

There is some clear set up here that marks her as a rather different and almost out of place Phantom Thief, possibly even a traitor in some regards.

Spoiler: Persona 5 and 4 Spoilers

Just like Akechi. Really, Persona has a history of making foils to the main character important. P4's culprit was Adachi, who was a very clear foil to Yu.

Here's the thing about the sword. There are short swords. But also someone mentioned there was a character exception of a character being able to use more than one weapon. So why couldn't she be an exception like that too? I just think there's a little leeway not just to be a different echo but also fit into the mold. When she attacked in the trailer, she slashed up a combo pretty quick, she can fit a fast hitting character.

The gun probably holds her back the least because it's just a long-range weapon. and b moves are often more changeable.

All that said it's still all just speculation, and i do think it can work, but we could also be totally off and she won't become a thing. At the very least it doesnt hurt to have a support page for her now that we know her real name, i think we can agree she has as much chance of getting in as some of the other support pages around here.

She's a very odd character in terms of speculation, if you think about it, the chances she has are all from a bunch of data and new games popping up and coincidences or actual connections, and all kinds of stuff.

 

[EarlTamm]

Here's the thing about the sword. There are short swords. But also someone mentioned there was a character exception of a character being able to use more than one weapon. So why couldn't she be an exception like that too? I just think there's a little leeway not just to be a different echo but also fit into the mold. When she attacked in the trailer, she slashed up a combo pretty quick, she can fit a fast hitting character.

What do you mean exception? This is something I have never heard of.

Anyways, there is a ton of Kasumi art going about for obvious reasons and it's all pretty great.

Spoiler: Tons of Kasumi Art

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaintVividly/status/1121206371448307712

https://mobile.twitter.com/lyieqestir/status/1121164289765781504

https://mobile.twitter.com/mirakuruyellow/status/1121074087135105024

https://mobile.twitter.com/orirising/status/1121182790777749504

https://mobile.twitter.com/kyle_a_cadiz/status/1121077590691700737

https://mobile.twitter.com/lividkiwiart/status/1121054027557433344

https://mobile.twitter.com/ochuuhi/status/1121130733831987200

https://mobile.twitter.com/skeptycally/status/1121161563874840577

https://mobile.twitter.com/haigamai88/status/1121095979321548802

https://mobile.twitter.com/asteraws/status/1121135650470633472

https://mobile.twitter.com/hakakamiiii/status/1121109120323506176