The New Phantom Thief of Persona 5 The Royal - Kasumi Yoshizawa/"Jane"

[Teeb147]

I guess it could also be a general thing. An echo could fill up the bar in general much faster than Joker, but the Persona's time out is shorter as well. This could also be reversed, having the bar take longer, but the Persona staying longer as well.

I think her trail would still be red, as the Mii costumes of Yu and Door-kun have a similar effect with their game colors(Yellow and blue). I think she would keep the hook as well, which is the special I see least likely to change. Wings of Rebellion might change though.

True. Any of that for the gauge might be fine. As long as it's good Well in any case of the differences if she ends up in the game I'd enjoy the heck outta her
As for the trails, I like them but I really would like to see a different color for her own strikes. I feel like they might do that. No biggie if they dont.

All I'm saying is, Jane's existence can be thoroughly examined a lot better once we know who she's supposed to be. Thinking too much into it might build up unreasonable expectations about a character whose role in P5R we don't even know about, let alone how she justifies borrowing Joker's moveset.

I think we had more expectations before joker's reveal. Now (at least speaking for me) we're more tempered and just speculating until we find out some of the mystery (which wont be long )


Side note, I'm surprised Gentlepanda isn't on the support list yet Did you know there was one panda?

 

[Kirbeh]

The real reason Jane was cut is because she wears a skirt and CERO wasn't having any of that on their watch.

Jokes aside, even if the P5R girl is indeed a FemC it still seems a bit off to assume that she's "Jane". It'd kind of ruin things if she got into Smash before Atlus got the chance to show any proper P5R news to explain who she is and what her role will be. I mean, with the Jane files being tied to Joker, it'd make sense for a female costume, but Atlus would likely want to announce a FemC themselves first.

Assuming that she is Jane though, Nintendo could've just delayed Joker/3.0 another week no? If they were aware of P5R and given permission to work on Jane, surely Atlus would also give them a heads up on a window for when they planned to show it off so they could release Joker to coincide with the P5R news.

If Jane is the P5R FemC, then why didn't they wait for Atlus to present P5R instead of dropping Joker a week before? It just seems like a really strange decision if that's the case.

Why make Jane just to cut her because they didn't want to wait an extra week?

The ideal scenario would have been Atlus presenting P5R ,and included in that, the reveal of a FemC, with Joker dropping later in the week with the nice surprise of including the FemC as an alt. to coincide with P5R.

There's a lot to speculate regarding who Jane is and who the P5R girl is, but as things are now, I'm unsure if I can buy that they're one and the same or if the P5R is even a FemC. Also, given the apparent translation of her comments painting a negative opinion of the PT, I think she might be a new character with a different role in R ala the addition of Marie as a new character in P4G.

That would still leave us with the mystery of what Jane was intended to be of course. So it might also be entirely possible that the girl in the P5R trailer is not a female Joker, but a FemC might still be on the table.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

Weren't the files found in the 1.0.0 version of the game? Doesn't that mean that these were being worked on before the game released, meaning at that point Jane had a completely finished model?

 

[Teeb147]

The real reason Jane was cut is because she wears a skirt and CERO wasn't having any of that on their watch.

Jokes aside, even if the P5R girl is indeed a FemC it still seems a bit off to assume that she's "Jane". It'd kind of ruin things if she got into Smash before Atlus got the chance to show any proper P5R news to explain who she is and what her role will be. I mean, with the Jane files being tied to Joker, it'd make sense for a female costume, but Atlus would likely want to announce a FemC themselves first.

Assuming that she is Jane though, Nintendo could've just delayed Joker/3.0 another week no? If they were aware of P5R and given permission to work on Jane, surely Atlus would also give them a heads up on a window for when they planned to show it off so they could release Joker to coincide with the P5R news.

If Jane is the P5R FemC, then why didn't they wait for Atlus to present P5R instead of dropping Joker a week before? It just seems like a really strange decision if that's the case.

Why make Jane just to cut her because they didn't want to wait an extra week?

The ideal scenario would have been Atlus presenting P5R ,and included in that, the reveal of a FemC, with Joker dropping later in the week with the nice surprise of including the FemC as an alt. to coincide with P5R.

There's a lot to speculate regarding who Jane is and who the P5R girl is, but as things are now, I'm unsure if I can buy that they're one and the same or if the P5R is even a FemC. Also, given the apparent translation of her comments painting a negative opinion of the PT, I think she might be a new character with a different role in R ala the addition of Marie as a new character in P4G.

That would still leave us with the mystery of what Jane was intended to be of course. So it might also be entirely possible that the girl in the P5R trailer is not a female Joker, but a FemC might still be on the table.

We might still be in the ideal scneario, actually. Which is to have joker with full costumes and jane as a surprise coming after p5r's info

This might've all been planned to be like it is. Could be scrapped, or may be costumes or an echo.
Thing is the datamine for jane was late to be found, after we'd gotten a patch, so for all we know this was all just starter ideas that fell through. Or legit plans.
Who's to say right now

 

[EarlTamm]

The real reason Jane was cut is because she wears a skirt and CERO wasn't having any of that on their watch.

Jokes aside, even if the P5R girl is indeed a FemC it still seems a bit off to assume that she's "Jane". It'd kind of ruin things if she got into Smash before Atlus got the chance to show any proper P5R news to explain who she is and what her role will be. I mean, with the Jane files being tied to Joker, it'd make sense for a female costume, but Atlus would likely want to announce a FemC themselves first.

Assuming that she is Jane though, Nintendo could've just delayed Joker/3.0 another week no? If they were aware of P5R and given permission to work on Jane, surely Atlus would also give them a heads up on a window for when they planned to show it off so they could release Joker to coincide with the P5R news.

If Jane is the P5R FemC, then why didn't they wait for Atlus to present P5R instead of dropping Joker a week before? It just seems like a really strange decision if that's the case.

Why make Jane just to cut her because they didn't want to wait an extra week?

The ideal scenario would have been Atlus presenting P5R ,and included in that, the reveal of a FemC, with Joker dropping later in the week with the nice surprise of including the FemC as an alt. to coincide with P5R.

There's a lot to speculate regarding who Jane is and who the P5R girl is, but as things are now, I'm unsure if I can buy that they're one and the same or if the P5R is even a FemC. Also, given the apparent translation of her comments painting a negative opinion of the PT, I think she might be a new character with a different role in R ala the addition of Marie as a new character in P4G.

That would still leave us with the mystery of what Jane was intended to be of course. So it might also be entirely possible that the girl in the P5R trailer is not a female Joker, but a FemC might still be on the table.

So what do you think Jane could be then? I also think that her being a FeMC would help in regards to being an echo, her not being one doesn't break her chances. Just depends on what is actually done with the character in relation to Joker, as there has been cases in the past where characters who are foils to the protag have gotten similar abilities. And Atlus doesn't have to reveal Jane next week. We all know how they like to play the waiting game, they could easily put off such news until we get closer to the release of P5R and use it as hype device. Doing it now wouldn't have much impact, especially since we are still getting to know Joker.

Weren't the files found in the 1.0.0 version of the game? Doesn't that mean that these were being worked on before the game released, meaning at that point Jane had a completely finished model?

I am not sure. Probably should have that checked out.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Side note, I'm surprised Gentlepanda Gentlepanda isn't on the support list yet Did you know there was one panda?

i'm waiting on the 24th to reveal who she is

provided she's a feMC, then everything stacks up neatly together and i'd put myself down

if she's a random side character like Marie, i think her chances plummet to the point where that's probably the end of that

 

[Metal Shop X]

also for those who haven't seen it (does double posting apply outside ultimate social thread? idk), vaanrose posted a comprehensive breakdown of the jane situation over on the social thread

honestly, jane originally being 2 of joker's costumes would explain why the purple skin + beige uniform seem kinda thrown in and not based off anything - they could have originally had the following setup:

1: joker
2: uniform
3: p3
4: p4 (these three in keeping with the '3, 4, 5' reference corresponding to their games)
5: p5
6: crow
7: jane thief
8: jane uniform

Isn't the purple outfit based off Persona 1 colors?

 

[Gentlepanda]

Isn't the purple outfit based off Persona 1 colors?

it's theorised, but weirdly it's never outright been stated - sakurai drew a lot of attention on twitter to the 3/4/5 skins being specific references to those games' colour schemes, but said absolutely nothing about the purple skin

 

[Metal Shop X]

it's theorised, but weirdly it's never outright been stated - sakurai drew a lot of attention on twitter to the 3/4/5 skins being specific references to those games' colour schemes, but said absolutely nothing about the purple skin

imo, it's probably because P1 & P2 aren't that much brought up by Atlus now those days since P3 kinda served as a soft reboot if I understand correctly, so Sakurai probably didn't bring it up the fact because Persona fan are much more familiar with 3,4 & 5 than 1 & 2. Tho, again, it's just speculation from me, so take this with a bit of salt.

 

[Gentlepanda]

imo, it's probably because P1 & P2 aren't that much brought up by Atlus now those days since P3 kinda served as a soft reboot if I understand correctly, so Sakurai probably didn't bring it up the fact because Persona fan are much more familiar with 3,4 & 5 than 1 & 2. Tho, again, it's just speculation from me, so take this with a bit of salt.

it's not impossible for it to still be a reference, but for it to get so little attention suggests to me it was an afterthought. e.g. one of two skins created just to plug the jane gap

 

[Metal Shop X]

it's not impossible for it to still be a reference, but for it to get so little attention suggests to me it was an afterthought. e.g. one of two skins created just to plug the jane gap

I guess we see when the time will come.

After all, things are going to really crazy in the next few days/weeks.

 

[Teeb147]

The resetera person actually had some interesting points to bring up, but they're very specific cases that would be weird to happen. If jane is another dlc character that wasnt going to be related to joker at all, and come much later, I think it brings up quite a few problems. If our persona girl isn't in at all it's probably more likely that she got scrapped than joker being used as a base for a dlc character much further down the line.
It'd be very weird to use joker as base for another character when he himself would've been underdevelopped, but there's also other stuff that wouldn't make too much sense. And, I find it hard to think that they'd be working on hair physics for a third or fourth dlc character all the way before november or october too.

He did say himself that he doesn't really know much about maya, so I think he's just trying to find a way for jill to be in . Anyway. it's still possible something weird could've happened that we maybe wouldn't have thought about, but I think jane started as joker's costume.

The other option was that it's leftover data from the base they used for joker. But, apart from what vaanrose said, there's also that we didn't have any codenames for the other fighters, so why would it be called jane? And also, if it's true that cloud was used as a base for joker, then there'd be no reason for that to be there

So I think that sums up my thoughts on that for now. I still feel like there could be something we missed and it's not as meaningful, but that could just be my pessimism involved :/ For the most part I'm just curious about the concert info at this point.

 

[Gentlepanda]

The resetera person actually had some interesting points to bring up, but they're very specific cases that would be weird to happen. If jane is another dlc character that wasnt going to be part of joker and come later I think it brings up a lot of problems. If she's not in at all it's probably more likely that she got scrapped than joker being used as a base for a dlc character much further down the line.
It'd be very weird to use joker as base for another character when he himself would've been underdevelopped, but there's also other stuff that wouldn't make too much sense. I find it hard to believe that they'd be working on hair physics for a third or fourth dlc character all the way before november or october too.

He did say himself that he doesn't really know much about maya, so I think he's just trying to find a way for jill to be in . Anyway. it's still possible something weird could've happened that we maybe wouldn't have thought about, but I think jane started as joker's costume.

The other option was that it's leftover data from the base that joker used. But, apart from what vaanrose said, there's also that we didn't have any codenames for the other fighters, so why would be called jane? And also, if it's true that cloud was used as a base for joker, then there'd be no reason for that to be there

So I think that sums up my thoughts on that for now. I still feel like there could be something we missed and it's not as meaningful, but that could just be my pessimism involved :/ For the most part I'm just curious about the concert info at this point.

vaan's not really convinced on wildvine's theory at all, so while it's possible i still think P5R girl is about as likely an outcome as we can get.

 

[Teeb147]

vaan's not really convinced on wildvine's theory at all, so while it's possible i still think P5R girl is about as likely an outcome as we can get.

The timing makes me think she could be. I just still have the ideas about echos or costumes not showing up for dlc.
We did get spirits and costumes in addition tho, so i do want to be more open to it

 

[Kirbeh]

So what do you think Jane could be then? I also think that her being a FeMC would help in regards to being an echo, her not being one doesn't break her chances. Just depends on what is actually done with the character in relation to Joker, as there has been cases in the past where characters who are foils to the protag have gotten similar abilities. And Atlus doesn't have to reveal Jane next week. We all know how they like to play the waiting game, they could easily put off such news until we get closer to the release of P5R and use it as hype device. Doing it now wouldn't have much impact, especially since we are still getting to know Joker.

I still think Jane could be a potential FemC given the files being tied to Joker, but I don't think the girl in the Persona 5R teaser is necessarily the FemC/Jane.

As I said earlier, I still think a FemC is on the table and could be what Jane was, but given the girl's comments in the trailer, I think she might just be a completely new character for 5R, similar to how 4G added new content like Marie. I mean, I could be completely off base and she will end up being the FemC, but at the moment, even if we do get one, I don't think the girl in the teaser is the protag.

As for my whole thing regarding Joker's release/the P5R news; I just find it really weird that if we do get a FemC reveal on the 24th, and Jane is FemJoker, then why didn't Nintendo just delay Joker's release a week instead of presumably cutting her from his costumes.

And like you said, they might not reveal that on the 24th, in which case cutting Jane makes sense since Atlus hasn't and wouldn't have announced her in time for Joker's planned release. My point is banking on the idea that we do get info on her on the 24th given that she (if she is Jane) was part of the initial teaser.

If we don't then my point doesn't stand and I'll just be slightly annoyed with Atlus for teasing something that they're not even going to show off yet.

Now, if Jane isn't a FemC or was at some point deemed not similar enough, then I think she was either cut for good and remnants of her files were just left in. Or as you suggest, she could be a future Echo or retroactively reinstated as a costume once Atlus has gotten the chance to properly show of P5R.

 

[Teeb147]

I still think Jane could be a potential FemC given the files being tied to Joker, but I don't think the girl in the Persona 5R teaser is necessarily the FemC/Jane.

As I said earlier, I still think a FemC is on the table and could be what Jane was, but given the girl's comments in the trailer, I think she might just be a completely new character for 5R, similar to how 4G added new content like Marie. I mean, I could be completely off base and she will end up being the FemC, but at the moment, even if we do get one, I don't think the girl in the teaser is the protag.

As for my whole thing regarding Joker's release/the P5R news; I just find it really weird that if we do get a FemC reveal on the 24th, and Jane is FemJoker, then why didn't Nintendo just delay Joker's release a week instead of presumably cutting her from his costumes.

And like you said, they might not reveal that on the 24th, in which case cutting Jane makes sense since Atlus hasn't and wouldn't have announced her in time for Joker's planned release. My point is banking on the idea that we do get info on her on the 24th given that she (if she is Jane) was part of the initial teaser.

If we don't then my point doesn't stand and I'll just be slightly annoyed with Atlus for teasing something that they're not even going to show off yet.

Now, if Jane isn't a FemC or was at some point deemed not similar enough, then I think she was either cut for good and remnants of her files were just left in. Or as you suggest, she could be a future Echo or retroactively reinstated as a costume once Atlus has gotten the chance to properly show of P5R.

Well we dont know what their plans are or why exactly. She could have been planned for later anyway, focusing on joker first. And maybe to not delay the schedule. In whatever case we're not sure about anything right now

but look at that! 2 days away!

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

I'd find it kinda odd if there was a femc, but it wasn't the girl in the trailer, not just cause of her design, but also the fact that they'd use a character like that to tease the game instead of the brand new protagonist.

https://personacentral.com/persona-super-live-2019-live-stream-announced-for-april-24-25-2019/

Dropped this in the Joker thread and thought I should drop it here too for anyone interested in the concert

 

[EarlTamm]

So, how much info do you think we will get? I doubt it will be a tease like last time, but I also doubt it will be anything to the extent of what Nintendo does when they showcase a game.

 

[Gentlepanda]

So, how much info do you think we will get? I doubt it will be a tease like last time, but I also doubt it will be anything to the extent of what Nintendo does when they showcase a game.

probably a snazzy PV trailer with CG (if she's a feMC, probably a selection of new + originals with her in joker's place) and snippets of non-gameplay gameplay

 

[EarlTamm]

probably a snazzy PV trailer with CG (if she's a feMC, probably a selection of new + originals with her in joker's place) and snippets of non-gameplay gameplay

That would be cool. I imagine her design would mesh well with the style of the P5 Intro, especially the red hair.

 

[Teeb147]

Since the concert will be early in the morning for me, I might miss it, but I'm counting on some vods and stuff showing up, and at least i know any news'll come around.

 

[Izanagi97]

Since the concert will be early in the morning for me, I might miss it, but I'm counting on some vods and stuff showing up, and at least i know any news'll come around.

Same here, the only time I'm up in the morning lately is because I haven't fallen asleep yet

 

[Teeb147]

Same here, the only time I'm up in the morning lately is because I haven't fallen asleep yet

I decided that i might try to get up for it. ;p
If I succeed then hopefully the streams work and I dont need an account for the site, or someone restreams it.

 

[EarlTamm]

I usually get up early, so watching this will be easy for me.

 

[Gentlepanda]

remember you need niconico premium for live, so unless you have that there's not much point

 

[Teeb147]

remember you need niconico premium for live, so unless you have that there's not much point

That's what im wondering about. If that site doesn't let us see it live then i might look for a restream unless there's a better way to watch it.

 

[Hinata]

That's what im wondering about. If that site doesn't let us see it live then i might look for a restream unless there's a better way to watch it.

If you don't have a premium NicoNico account, the stream won't start for you until 30 minutes after the live version, so by that point you're half an hour behind what's actually happening.

 

[Teeb147]

If you don't have a premium NicoNico account, the stream won't start for you until 30 minutes after the live version, so by that point you're half an hour behind what's actually happening.

good enough
If someone finds a restream be sure to post :D

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

The official twitter account will also be livestreaming both days at 19:30 JST. Not sure what's in the first 30 minutes each day that we won't see

 

[Gentlepanda]

The official twitter account will also be livestreaming both days at 19:30 JST. Not sure what's in the first 30 minutes each day that we won't see

twitter account streaming probably means announcement time

 

[Teeb147]

10 minutes before the concert goes live
(Not sure if that's with the 30 mins delay, but here we go)


https://live2.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv319206777

 

[EarlTamm]

In 9 or so more minute, we can watch the stream here.
https://www.pscp.tv/p_kouhou/1zqKVavBlNAxB

 

[Gentlepanda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzlQycHUXYs

 

[Teeb147]

No news yet. So anyone can watch that restream. some good music

 

[EarlTamm]

Not a FeMC, but she does appear to weild a knife like Joker.

 

[Gentlepanda]

yeah that's gonna be a hard 'maybe'

she uses a pistol and sword which fits joker, but is a different character like simon/richter

 

[Teeb147]

Not a FeMC, but she does appear to weild a knife like Joker.

A party member! That means all the morgana and phantom thief stuff in the FS and all that could work

 

[Gentlepanda]

actually naw, that's a shotgun

definitely not

 

[EarlTamm]

yeah that's gonna be a hard 'maybe'

she uses a pistol and sword which fits joker, but is a different character like simon/richter

I think she also uses her knife the same way as Joker. Her animation looked similar.

 

[PlasmaDam]

Why would they make some party member playable it makes no sense.Look jane isnt a joker alt and its highly unlikey that She is echo