The New Match-up Chart

[Battlecow]

Not a fan of the ness-yoshi comparison either

You're a cool guy tho alfred

and ness ≠ falcon

 

[Neon!]

Is this the most recent or current matchup chart? I like the simplicity of it but it seems difficult to differentiate ratios in key matchups, for example i doubt most people would say that dk does as well against pika as kirby does.

 

[asianaussie]

it's technically the most recent

pika beats everybody, and then he beats a bunch of characters even harder, that's all - hard to quantify matchups, really

 

[The Star King]

doesn't mean ness = falcon tho

Yeah I agree. Sorry for not posting more constructively btw lol

 

[M!nt]

this game is so good at balance, makes me happy to see people still defending the low tiers C=

 

[Izuhu]

Jesus!......wtf happened to the tier list. I was gone that long? Wasn't luigi placed behind jiggs at one point ?

 

[asianaussie]

yeah, and ness was also above fox at one point too

 

[B Link]

I ****ing hate jiggz and her ****ing one hits and inf recovery

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

this game is so good at balance, makes me happy to see people still defending the low tiers C=

outside of Samus xD

 

[The Star King]

Samus is at least nearly on par with Luigi c'mon Koro get with the 2012 status quo (and by that I mean my personal opinion that nobody but aa agrees with, harharhar)

 

[mikeduncan23]

yeah, and ness was also above fox at one point too

That's mindblowing..

 

[ballin4life]

to be clear though, ness was above fox on some ancient tier list from gamefaqs that somehow got consistently referenced as "the tier list" (really not sure how this happened). that was a big reason people decided to re do the tier list.

 

[The Star King]

yo let's redo it again my list wasn't controversial enough

 

[Olikus]

Put Ness down were he belong!

 

[asianaussie]

official 2013 list

pika
falcon

fox
kirby

yoshi
ness
dk
mario

link
samus
puff

master hand
luigi

 

[Olikus]

oli is back.

and with a serious post as well.

pika
kirby -fox really close, unsure their placings
falcon
mario-yoshi really close, unsure placings.
DK-puff really close unsure placings

ness-luigi-samus-link in no order. reallhy unsure how to place those 4. they could be tied for bottom all of them.

 

[The Star King]

So basically for your return you posted a generic outline of forum opinion and didn't really put any personal opinion into it

 

[ballin4life]

sk becoming a hipster in his old age

 

[Olikus]

So basically for your return you posted a generic outline of forum opinion and didn't really put any personal opinion into it

well, havent seen many discuss if yoshi is better than mario or puff is tied with DK. and people still have ness in a tier above luigi, link and samus, which I strongly disagree with.

But hey ill put pika on 4th just for you <3

 

[Battlecow]

most people would have said yoshi-DK close and ness-puff close rather than the way he did it

he's pretty UNIQUE

 

[Olikus]

most people would have said yoshi-DK close and ness-puff close rather than the way he did it

he's pretty UNIQUE

this guy got it!

sk you could learn a thing or two from this man.

 

[Yobolight]

My opinion on the tier list

Top:
pika
kirby
fox

High:
falcon

Mid:
mario
yoshi
ness
puff
dk
link

Low:
luigi
samus

I will defend this if challenged.

 

[clubbadubba]

challenge

10challenges

 

[Battlecow]

Pretty good list IMO

I don't think you understand DK's powah

But I also don't think it's possible to communicate why to you via text

 

[Yobolight]

challenge

10challenges

rebut

10rebuts

 

[Izuhu]

Top and High Tier are pretty accurate, but mid tier seems debatable. DK isn't given much credit than he is worth.

This How I feel

Top:
pika
kirby
fox

Mid:
falcon
mario
link
yoshi
dk

Low:
ness
luigi
puff
samus

 

[Olikus]

^you played link outside hyrule?

 

[B Link]

Top and High Tier are pretty accurate, but mid tier seems debatable. DK isn't given much credit than he is worth.

This How I feel

Top:
pika
kirby
fox

Mid:
falcon
mario
link
yoshi
dk

Low:
ness
luigi
puff
samus

^ Sorry bro. Puff ***** -- it can hang with falcon, yoshi, and dk easily. Also, Link sucks. Let Samus, Luigi and Link stay at the very bottom where they belong but keep puff out of there.

I know your list is based on your feelings. The above info is my (and the majority of the community here in general's) two cents.

lol @ dual izuhu bashing

 

[Izuhu]

^you played link outside hyrule?

No, but I got ***** pretty badly by some good links on DL with Yoshi.

As for puff I can't say I'm right with her placement, since I haven't played against to many puffs or played puff that much for that matter.

 

[B Link]

Fair enough. As you get better you may realize how easy it is to gimp link on dreamland though.

 

[prisonchild]

my mock official tier list full of biases:

S tier (Seinfeld tier)
pika

I Tier (Inbetweeners [UK] tier)
fox
kirby
falcon

C Tier (Community tier)
mario
yoshi
dk
puff
link

W tier (Whitney tier)
luigi
ness
samus



pretty standard list with only a few shakeups, as much as i love luigi i couldn't place him higher than 10th being the overall slowest character in the game hinders him more than anything imo.



ps i was holding back my biases as much as possible, kirby is lucky it isn't in the ****hole Whitney tier

 

[WOTG]

Samus > Jigglypuff

 

[The Star King]

sk becoming a hipster in his old age

Not even. Because of literally 10 characters being involved in a tie, the list is so incredibly safe that it doesn't really contribute anything. Nearly everyone will agree with x ordering of the tied characters, except maybe a couple of extremists like you or King Junk who think Mario is better than Falcon or whatever So it just feels like "a generic outline of forum opinion". And anyways I've always had hipster tendencies where have you been for the past 3 years

most people would have said yoshi-DK close and ness-puff close rather than the way he did it

he's pretty UNIQUE

lolno at both of those. He's saying with the ties that either character can plausibly be better, and I'd like you to find me a person who thinks DK is better than Yoshi. I can only really think of Boomfan like last year (not sure if he still thinks the same thing, because he seems to have been a bit more positive about Yoshi recently(?)). The Yoshi-better-than-Mario movement seems to be gaining traction since my army several people like clubba, me, kys, etc have endorsed it. I know it's not many, but more than the practically non-existant number of people who think DK is better than Yoshi. Ness-Puff, really? Yeah maybe in 2009. I'm pretty sure most people (who aren't random noobs/Surri) would put Ness in the bottom 4.

 

[Battlecow]

I think DK's better than yoshi

I might be biased because of how INCREDIBLY EASY sheer is for me though

mario's for sure better than both of them

 

[asianaussie]

btw why haven't we started doing separate DL and hyrule lists

 

[The Star King]

shut up aa

Battlecow you are one of the few I think.

 

[asianaussie]

you just destroyed my fragile self-esteem im going to go huddle myself in the corner for a while

Spoiler

no seriously, why aren't we

also mario > yoshi

 

[WOTG]

Too lazy for detailed explanations, I'll keep it simple.

Samus > Jigglypuff - Samus can counter everything jigglypuff can do, while jigglypuff is very limited in this match up

Yoshi > DK - Yoshi can djc, shield break, and parry..... nuff said.

 

[Izuhu]

I'm with WOTG. Jiggs is also light as hell and can easily die at low percentages. DK can also shield break but its hard to set up.

 

[asianaussie]

samus > jiggs, but that doesn't mean samus is HIGHER than jiggs on the tier list

that yoshi argument is too non-specific, plus DK has up-b and grab