The -NEW- Florida 2011 Brawl Power Rankings! Updated 5/10/11!

[gallax]

Haha, ok. Ask hrnut, mero, gdx, radix, caps, 2djeff, solo, mink and sax. They will ALL tell you that we agreed to not count the results.

And if you ask ryo to be 100% honest whether or not he think the results should count from otrinicon, and to take into account all the circumstances, then you can come back to me.

If he really thinks the results from that tourney matter well then he's being a douche.

Edit:

And i found out that having a win over trump matters. I beat him 2-0 at gfest2, against his fox yes and not with pikachu(who i used against his Tlink). I think trump has a win over mampam which is why im saying this.

 

[2-DJeff]

Haha, ok. Ask hrnut, mero, gdx, radix, caps, 2djeff, solo, mink and sax. They will ALL tell you that we agreed to not count the results.

And if you ask ryo to be 100% honest whether or not he think the results should count from otrinicon, and to take into account all the circumstances, then you can come back to me.

If he really thinks the results from that tourney matter well then he's being a douche.

Edit:

And i found out that having a win over trump matters. I beat him 2-0 at gfest2, against his fox yes and not with pikachu(who i used against his Tlink). I think trump has a win over mampam which is why im saying this.

yea the results didnt count becaue everyone went random but ryo
and the stages where all on i went hannenbow 75 m all that bs

 

[Masky]

oh we livin

Otronicon definitely counts, Mero and Ryo got legit money from it, I think Mero got like $145. If you didn't want to participate in Otronicon because you didn't like the TVs or whatever you didn't have to enter it, simple as that.

I just need to know who beat who at that tournament so we can finish the PRs.

 

[Xaltis]

I agree with Masky, if legit money was handed out then it counts, everyone going random? I'm pretty sure thats like the same or better than the tourney THAT COUNTED FOR where everyone got drunk.

 

[gallax]

No it doesnt when we all agreed for it not to count. We agreed. Simple as that. At that tourney where they got drunk, no one insinuated results being void and there was no agreement upon everyone who placed. Here there was. Ryo was there and said he was using ike no matter what. We were fine with that. But we told him the results were not going to matter in the end. It was our choice not to use our mains to place and get money. That is as far as the consequence of our decisions go.

 

[Xaltis]

No it doesnt when we all agreed for it not to count. We agreed. Simple as that. At that tourney where they got drunk, no one insinuated results being void and there was no agreement upon everyone who placed. Here there was. Ryo was there and said he was using ike no matter what. We were fine with that. But we told him the results were not going to matter in the end. It was our choice not to use our mains to place and get money. That is as far as the consequence of our decisions go.

Coulda sworn you said Ryo wanted it to count. If he wants it to count its gonna count.

 

[gallax]

Coulda sworn you said Ryo wanted it to count. If he wants it to count its gonna count.

No it wont. When 9/10 people decide it wont count then thats the final decision. Majority ruled that tourney. The 1/10 vote count doesn't matter.

Edit: I said ryo knew what was happening and chose to still use ike. I didnt say he agreed.

 

[Masky]

No it doesnt when we all agreed for it not to count. We agreed. Simple as that. At that tourney where they got drunk, no one insinuated results being void and there was no agreement upon everyone who placed. Here there was. Ryo was there and said he was using ike no matter what. We were fine with that. But we told him the results were not going to matter in the end. It was our choice not to use our mains to place and get money. That is as far as the consequence of our decisions go.

Except Ryo didn't agree, so not everyone attending agreed. It's not fair to Ryo, who came expecting a legit tournament and an opportunity to advance himself in the FL smash community.

Besides, didn't Mero use MK against Ryo and you used Snake against him?

 

[gallax]

No. It doesnt matter who i used. Actually in our set there was one point where i got fsmashed by his ike, then said do it again so i can test my to see my shield. He fsmashed again(charged it) so i could test it out, in the middle of a "tourney match". It was anything but a tourney match. There was nothing legit about that tourney.

Edit: Its wasnt a fair tourney for everyone who came. We didnt even get to participate in the doubles because they wouldnt let us! It was by far the worse tourney experience i've ever been to, and the same for other who came. We all expected a legit tourney, but it wasnt. Ryo knows that we weren't being serious and the results wouldnt count. And in the end he got money out of it. He got the most out of the tourney.

 

[Xaltis]

Your being an idiot Gallax and unfair to Ryo, if hes working hard to win a tourney IT WILL COUNT. Idc if its 9/10 that says no, its not fair to the guy who worked hard. So as long as he wants it to count IT WILL COUNT.

 

[gallax]

Im not being an idiot xaltis and please dont ever call me one again. That highly inappropriate and I expect more from you. You weren't there. You dont know what went down. You DO NOT KNOW. So please stop trying to spin things. Stay out of this please and let it be dealt with between me, the pr panelists, and those who came to otronicon. Im asking very nicely xaltis.

 

[Xaltis]

Im not being an idiot xaltis and please dont ever call me one again. That highly inappropriate and I expect more from you. You weren't there. You dont know what went down. You DO NOT KNOW. So please stop trying to spin things. Stay out of this please and let it be dealt with between me, the pr panelists, and those who came to otronicon. Im asking very nicely xaltis.

Sorry I don't like it when people are being mean and selfish towards someone who worked hard. So unless Ryo says something I will continue.

 

[Masky]

Im not being an idiot xaltis and please dont ever call me one again. That highly inappropriate and I expect more from you.

Bro... Didn't you call Ryo a douche? That's even more "inappropriate"... Ryo's one of my closest friends and I didn't even say anything about you talking about him like that because I just want to have a legit discussion here. Let's all just calm down and have a legit meal...

And I 100% agree with what Xaltis is saying... you can't say that what Ryo did at that tourney didn't count just because you claim you didn't feel like playing in the tournament (which you paid to enter), while Ryo traveled 2 hours to enter it and won at least like $80...

And I already talked to Ryo about this and he says that he thinks it should count. So yeah.

 

[gallax]

I understand how you feel about the situation xaltis and its very nice of you to defend ryo. But like i said, you werent there. Let me explain something that that gets me frustrated like this is seeming to frustrate you:

A person is trying to take advantage of a situation and of the people who were those. While he is doing this he is knowingly degrading reputations. This person is KNOWINGLY taking advantage of people. This gets me upset. Whether or not ryo is thinking this way is of no concern to me. If he is steadfast in wanting these results to count then this is whats happening.



Point: Ryo needs to get in here and talk with us.

 

[Tommy_G]

I say it should count. Shaky and I have said we don't want our wins/losses to be counted for PRs, but we got virtually slapped in the face, was told that our voices didn't matter, and whatever happens in tournaments count whether we like it or not.

It should count.

 

[Masky]

Point: Ryo needs to get in here and talk with us.

I already talked to him on the phone about it yesterday. He said he thinks it should count.

 

[gallax]

He needs to get in on the discussion today. Maybe he was unaware of some things or not. But we need him to come in here and discuss this with us.

And i said IF ryo was doing things knowingly then hes being a douche. I love ryo dont get me wrong.

Edit: I have to go. Fire Alarm

 

[Xaltis]

No Ryo said it should count now tell us who beat who.

 

[Masky]

There's nothing for him to be unaware of... Ryo doesn't use smashboards much so I don't think he'll be posting here. I already talked to him on the phone and asked him "Did you agree to not count the results from Otronicon?" and he said "No I didn't agree to that. I don't see why they wouldn't count"

 

[AfroQT]

I'm not a panelist but i think its quite obvious that matches played under tournament setting regardless of the rules should count when there is money on the line.

I feel that the rules not being upheld (like at Vipers tourney) is much worse then just going to a tournament with bad rules. Everyone was aware that the rules were ****ty (or should of been), unless 100% of the people attending the tournament wanted it not to count for the PR then it should. Unless Ryo lied about it in person and is changing his mind now, i see no reason why they shouldn't be counted.

The tournament had money on the line, there was no reason for everyone not to enter and play seriously regardless of the terrible rules that they SHOULD of been aware of. If even 1 person from the tournament wants it to count, it should.

Gallax you my boy but thats how i feel.

 

[Masky]

I'm not a panelist but i think its quite obvious that matches played under tournament setting regardless of the rules should count when there is money on the line.

I feel that the rules not being upheld (like at Vipers tourney) is much worse then just going to a tournament with bad rules. Everyone was aware that the rules were ****ty (or should of been), unless 100% of the people attending the tournament wanted it not to count for the PR then it should. Unless Ryo lied about it in person and is changing his mind now, i see no reason why they shouldn't be counted.

The tournament had money on the line, there was no reason for everyone not to enter and play seriously regardless of the terrible rules that they SHOULD of been aware of. If even 1 person from the tournament wants it to count, it should.

Gallax you my boy but thats how i feel.

The rules were actually fine at Otronicon, I'm not sure why some people disliked the tournament so much but it wasn't the rules: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=293287

 

[gallax]

I understand everyones position and and not in any way shape or form mad or feeling negatively towards anyone. This is a legit discussion.

A point i want to say though is that if theres an mk banned tourney or if the rules state no CG'ing then the results of those tournaments wouldnt matter. Esam has exclaimed this as well as others. What happened at otronicon is the same as an mk banned tourney or one where pikachu isnt allowed to cg. We did character striking at otronicon.

I will not say who beat who at otronicon. Im sure i will get the support of everyone who went there too to not say a word also. If the only results that come from it are who ryo won and lost to then i will take the bullet.

It had notihng to do with the rules that otronicon stated, it had everything to do with the horrible tvs that were there and the awful seeding. The lag on the tvs were worse than wifi.

 

[AfroQT]

Theres no real rush on the PRs (well there shouldn't be anyway, everyone can wait). I'd like to hear how Ryo feels and everyone else who attended as well.

 

[Xaltis]

I just want everything to be fair to Ryo, and with that I'm off to work.

 

[gallax]

Being fair to ryo will be just as unfair to others. Remember that.

 

[DFEAR]

dunno...im feeling gallax's side right now

A point i want to say though is that if theres an mk banned tourney or if the rules state no CG'ing then the results of those tournaments wouldnt matter. Esam has exclaimed this as well as others. What happened at otronicon is the same as an mk banned tourney or one where pikachu isnt allowed to cg. We did character striking at otronicon.

why cant it just be about consistency amongst the better players in all given situations regardless of contributing factors like placing/money/bracketseeding

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I agree with the character selecting thing. This tournament was not to be taken seriously. Nothing against ryo, or masky or anyone, i'm not dissing. I counterpicked everyone to Distant planet, and went ganon on most people. We got "escorted out" before doubles. Everyone did character strike. It wasn't a legit tourney. Infact we agreed "Alot of bul**** is about to happen at this tournament, none of us take it serious". I think we character struck, 5 characters correct?

Overall, no one paid to enter. Don't know if that was mentioned.

 

[DFEAR]

did you guys strike each other's mains ?

 

[GDX]

I definitely paid money to enter...you guys just snuck in lol

I assumed it was legit even though everyone was salty about laggy tvs. I definitely went all diddy and went to normal stages. I went 1-1 with Mero and I lost to ryo and I don't remember sandbagging at all for once

But if other people wanted to sandbag and not give a **** that's there issue. When I do that at tourneys and lose to people I shouldn't they still deserve the win its just my issue/fault for letting it happen

Just sayin'

 

[gallax]

There was no entry fee for the tourney, just to get into the con.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

agreed with gdx and its interesting to see points from not gallax or ryo about still using mains.

mains were involved for more than one person, in more than one set, with money on the line, this tourny will count.

it doesnt matter what any % of people WANT if that % isn't 100.


further withholding of bracket info from this tourny will cause an INNACCURATE PR to those that deserve and TRIED the ENTIRE season. (ryo, gdx, mero, ect...)


if withholding bracket info is your goal here, then you are cheating the state to a fair reflection of the players skills, and thats really unfair to ALL of us.

we all work hard, and the panalists work even harder to give out accurate PR's.

you guys making this any harder for them is ubsurd.

this behavior almost makes me wana consider removing cfl as a whole from the PR all together, but i love (the majority of) them, so i'm not gona think about it.

what i will ask, on behalf of the panalists and florida, hopefully for the last time, what was the bracket like exactly?

 

[gallax]

Im not listing any of my wins, especially under circumstances that we deemed were erroneous to the PR's. If ryo want a win vs me to count for the PR's then so be it. I lost to ryo. But i want ryo to come in here, debate with me about this, and settle all of this.

 

[B_AWAL]

If its in a tourney it should count

U guys should have just NOT entered the tourney and played friendlies with random characters on your own time...

Basically you not playing seriously is basically you willingly not playing at your best

If you fall off your game and lost a match to ryo the result would be the same

Cause at the end of the day you were not playing at your best


Tournaments are 4 us all to compete... It makes you look like a douche 4 not taking them seriously

 

[gallax]

We didnt take it seriously because we all agreed that competing with the given conditions were not accurate in any way of a players skill level or consistency. Hence, playing under rules that were not acceptable in any tournament rankings.

We ALL come to otronicon with the hope that it would be a legit tourney. But upon arrival and after gaining entry with a FREE entry we played it out because we didnt have to pay to enter so we had nothing to lose.

 

[DFEAR]

mains were involved for more than one person, in more than one set, with money on the line, this tourny will count.

if withholding bracket info is your goal here, then you are cheating the state to a fair reflection of the players skills, and thats really unfair to ALL of us.

we all work hard, and the panalists work even harder to give out accurate PR's.

punish the sandbaggers

 

[gallax]

So if i host a free tourney results should count?

Edit: If they do count, then it begs the question why should PR money matches have any money on the line? If mm's dont have money on the line it sets the precedent that friendlies(which are matches without money on the line and not played in tourney, which is the same a money match played for $0) would now count for the PR's.

 

[B_AWAL]

Nope

the tourney wasn't free
Ppl went with the intentions of playing seriously
Just because you all were good enough to make it as far as u did with random chars its not anyone elses fault you lost
Brackets dont matter... I can bracket**** any1 at my tourneys and have all the PR players on 1 side... At the end of the day if you win you win... PERIOD
SO what im saying is... Stop ****ing sandbaggin gin tournys!!!

Speakin of which... didnt redhalberd sandbag in pools and it counted towards the PR?

Edit: If its a tourney that costs money to enter... IT SHOULD COUNT

Next time play friendlies on ur own free time

 

[gallax]

the tourney wasn't free
Ppl went with the intentions of playing seriously

There was NO ENTRY FEE to enter singles at Otronicon. And we didnt enter with the intent of playing seriously.

Speakin of which... didnt redhalberd sandbag in pools and it counted towards the PR?

Yeah but there WAS an entry fee to enter singles.

 

[Sensei Seibrik]

money may not have been spent to enter singles tourny, but money was WON, so ur still playing for money, even if its not YOUR money




and if you didn't like the "conditions" than just DONT enter, don't enter then ***** about said conditions and sandbag

 

[gallax]

Doesnt matter seibrik. Having no entry fee means that results DO NOT COUNT. This has been constant throughout the SWF's.

And heres another point:

I host a free tourney. Winner gets 25 cents. Second place 10 cents. Third a penny. Results count then?