The New Counter Game: Read the **** Rules or the Thread Get's Locked

[WouW]

Banette @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Insomnia
132HP/252Atk/124Spe
Shadow Claw
Will-o-Wisp
Return
Sucker Punch

I decided to just not post Spiritomb for the zillionth time. If you attack, I outspeed and OHKO with Shadow Claw. If you use Bulk Up, I can take a +1 Stone Edge and outspeed and 2HKO.

 

[UltiMario]

Flareon @ Choice Band
Adamant/Flash Fire
76HP/252Atk/180Spe
-Fire Fang
-Super Power
-Bite
-Return

OH NOM NOM NOM

 

[Pink Reaper]

Choice rule says that if you can't beat a current counter with all 4 moves then you can't use all 4 moves. You can only beat Banette with Bite and maybe fire fang so you would only be able to use those two moves.

 

[Cease Tick]

Vs. Flareon:
Bibarel @ Leftovers
Impish/Simple
252HP/4Atk/252Def
Waterfall
Return
Curse
Amnesia

I'm ignoring Superpower and Return because they don't beat the previous counter. I survive long enough to set up a Curse and 1HKO.

 

[WouW]

Vs. Bibarel:

Bibarel @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Unaware
252HP/252Atk/4Spe
Return
Superpower
Super Fang
Waterfall

Is unaware of all of your boosts, avoids being 2HKOed by Return and outspeeds and 2HKOs with Return>Superpower.

 

[Platypus]

Against Bidoof's uglier evolution:

Hitmontop w/Coba Berry
Impish/Intimidate
200 Atk./ 110 Def./ 200 Speed
+ Close Combat
+ Sucker Punch
+ Bulk Up
+ Bullet Punch
Yes, Bulk Up may be used.

 

[c3gill]

@ Bibarel
Spiritomb @ Lefties
Calm / Pressure
252 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 4 Spe
Will-o-Wisp
Rest
HP Fighting
Shadow Ball

Switch into a waterfall (39.8%), take another, and WoW. Without Lefties, after your 3rd waterfall id be sitting @ 99.5%- Lefties is my cushion. I rest, now only taking <20% per turn, so I can kill you with a HP Fighting/ rest combo.

edit- **** ninjas. im too lazy to test this again, aginst ^^^, but id bet it would work.

 

[Platypus]

If it's Spiritomb to be countered:

Muk w/Black Sludge
Careful/Sticky Hold
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Sp. Def.
+ Rest
+ Fire Punch
+ Swagger
+ Gunk Shot
Takes around 42% from a critical hit from an attack that does around 42% to it with a critical hit.

 

[WouW]

Aggron @ Lum Berry
Adamant/Rock Head
252Atk/252HP/4Spe
Substitute
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Focus Punch

Heatran says lol

Spoiler

inb4claydol

 

[IC3R]

vs. Aggron:

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish/Overgrow
EVs - 24 HP, 232 Att, 252 Def
~Earthquake
~Stone Edge
~Leech Seed
~Substitute

If you Sub on the switch, I'll just eat through it with Earthquake. If you FP on the switch, you get OHKOd by my Earthquake; either way, I'll only take 33%-39%. I use Leech Seed on an incoming counter to restore health over time, and Earthquake takes care of the only two Liquid Ooze Pokemon quite nicely. I can use Substitute to scout for the incoming counter, so I don't risk getting killed or statused immediately.

 

[Platypus]

I detect a self-counter...

By the way, who is with me on the Make Altaria OU Coalition?

 

[WouW]

Torterra @ Leftovers
Impish/Overgrow
EVs - 24 HP, 232 Att, 252 Def
~Earthquake
~Stone Edge
~Leech Seed
~Substitute

Unown @ Choice Specs
Modest/Levitate
252SpA/252Spe/4Def
Hidden Power Ice

If you use Earthquake you do nothing and I outspeed and OHKO.
If you use Stone Edge you do max around 85% and I outspeed and OHKO.
If you use Leech Seed I lol and OHKO.
If you use Substitute you can do anything the next turn while the sub breaks, and then I outspeed and OHKO.

Inb4thickfatwalrein/dewgong

 

[Pink Reaper]

Typhlosion@Choice Specs
Modest/Blaze
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Eruption
-Solar Beam
-HP Electric
-Focus Blast

lol

 

[WouW]

Milotic @ Leftovers
Calm/Marvel Scale
248HP/252SpD/8SpA
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Hidden Power Electric
Hypnosis

Can take two hits of anything (or one from Solar Beam, but that takes two turns) and OHKO you.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
Hypno @ Leftovers
Calm/Insomnia
142hp/252specialdefense/116speed
Toxic
Calm Mind
Wish
Psychic

Turn 1:Hypno switches in. Milotic uses Hydropump.
Hypno @ 73. Milotic @ 100.

Turn 2:Hypno uses Wish. Milotic uses Hydropump.
Hypno @ 50. Milotic @ 100.

Turn 3:Hypno uses Calm Mind. Milotic uses Hydropump. Wish activates.
Hypno @ 87. Milotic @ 100.

Turn 4:Hypno uses Calm Mind. Milotic uses Hydropump.
Hypno @ 78. Milotic @ 100.

Turn 5:Hypno uses Toxic. Milotic uses Hydropump.
Hypno @ 69. Milotic @ 100.

Turn 6:Hypno uses Calm Mind. Milotic uses Ice-Beam.
Hypno @ 69. Milotic @ 94.

Turn 7:Hypno uses Calm Mind. Milotic uses Ice-Beam.
Hypno @ 70. Milotic @ 82.

Turn 8:Hypno uses Calm Mind. Milotic uses Ice-Beam.
Hypno @ 72. Milotic @ 64.

Turn 9:Hypno uses Calm Mind. Milotic uses Ice-Beam.
Hypno @ 74. Milotic @ 40.

Turn 10:Hypno uses Psychic. Milotic uses Ice-Beam.
Hypno @ 76. Milotic @ 0.

This should be about how the battle would go. The explination was mainly for myself, calculation wise. And all of the numbers are percents. I'm waiting for Skunktank, or anything that resists Psychic and Toxic, while fighting Physically.
:flame:

 

[Platypus]

Against Pedno:

Munchlax w/Focus Sash
Careful/Thick Fat
200 Atk./ 200 Def./ 110 Sp. Def.
+ Curse
+ Thunderpunch
+ Gunk Shot
+ Return
This is a weird day.

 

[WouW]

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Naive/Blaze
252Spe/88Atk/168SpA
Superpower
Fire Blast
Thunderpunch
Hidden Power Ice

 

[M.K]

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Naive/Blaze
252Spe/88Atk/168SpA
Superpower
Fire Blast
Thunderpunch
Hidden Power Ice

Mantine @ Life Orb
Modest // Water Absorb
252 Sp. Attack/252. Sp. Defense/ 6 Speed
-Surf
-Hidden Power Ground
-Twister
-Ice Beam

 

[Pink Reaper]

That thing doesn't exactly take Life Orbed Thunderpunches well.

 

[UltiMario]

Im assuming Blaziken is still up?
Claydol@Leftovers
Calm/Levitate
252HP/80SpA/176SpD
Psychic
Earth Power
Grass Knot
Toxic

I really don't know what I am trying to accomplish here but pretty much I'm immune to almost everything you can throw at me, and HP Ice isn't much of a threat with the bulk. Also, the Naive Nature isn't helping your situation.

 

[peregrine monkey]

@Claydol

Sharpedo@Choice Band
Adamant
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Hp
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Crunch
-Ice Fang

Comes in on psychic, outspeeds to OHKO with Crunch or Waterfall before Claydol can OHKO with Grass Knot.

 

[IC3R]

Comes in on psychic, outspeeds to OHKO with Crunch or Waterfall before Claydol can OHKO with Grass Knot.

You can't choose your opponent's moves for you, unless he's carrying a Choice item, like your Sharpedo is. Grass Knot won't OHKO it anyway, so our counter works regardless...

...but so does mine

Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Timid/Dry Skin
EVs - 24 HP, 252 SpAt, 232 Spd
~Sludge Bomb
~Dark Pulse
~Vacuum Wave
~Nasty Plot

Well, my Toxicroak absorbs your Waterfall attack through its Dry Skin, and Crunch only does 46%-54% damage to me. You can't use Earthquake, or else Claydol would still be in play (believe me, I had my tail handed to me trying to argue against that idea). Ice Fang does 50%-59% damage...

My Sludge Bomb deals 104%-123%, scoring a OHKO.

 

[Platypus]

You must be able to "come in on" anything, not just the most likely technique. Even if Grass Knot fails to remove you from office, Earthquake would be ignored because, had it been used, Claydol could have stayed in and won.

Against the ceramic doll:

Xatu w/Focus Sash
Modest/Synchronize
100 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def./ 110 Speed
+ Sunny Day
+ Solarbeam
+ Heat Wave
+ HP Ground
If each counter is fresh, then the Sash will work. Did you know that Dragonair learns absolutely no defensive boosters and that only Hitmonchan knows Vacuum Wave by nature?

GO-DIT: Stolen, my thunder. Against Ber- Toxicroak:

Articuno w/Life Orb
Timid/Pressure
200 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 110 Sp. Def.
+ Extrasensory
+ Blizzard
+ Tailwind
+ Signal Beam
Come to think of it...

 

[M.K]

Articuno w/Life Orb
Timid/Pressure
200 Def./ 200 Sp. Atk./ 110 Sp. Def.
+ Extrasensory
+ Blizzard
+ Tailwind
+ Signal Beam
Come to think of it...

Houndoom @ Life Orb
Modest // Flash Fire
252 Sp. Attack/252 Speed/6 Sp. Defense
-Heat Wave
-Dark Pulse
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Electric)

 

[WouW]

Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Timid/Dry Skin
EVs - 24 HP, 252 SpAt, 232 Spd
~Sludge Bomb
~Dark Pulse
~Vacuum Wave
~Nasty Plot

Well, my Toxicroak absorbs your Waterfall attack through its Dry Skin, and Crunch only does 46%-54% damage to me. You can't use Earthquake, or else Claydol would still be in play (believe me, I had my tail handed to me trying to argue against that idea). Ice Fang does 50%-59% damage...

Where has the time been that failed (choice) counters were just ignored and we went on with what did completely work?

Following that logic, Claydol (or Platypus' Xatu) would now be the current counter.

 

[Pink Reaper]

WouW, what you highlighted wasn't the actual problem, THIS:

Comes in on psychic, outspeeds to OHKO with Crunch or Waterfall before Claydol can OHKO with Grass Knot.

You don't get to choose what you come in on, if you get OHKO'd by something on the switch, then your counter doesn't work. I should just ignore all the current counters and go back to claydol as it hasn't been countered yet, so I will.

Absol@Life Orb
Adamant/Pressure(im not dealing with super luck right now)
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Swords Dance
-Sucker Punch
-Night Slash
-Superpower

There. See how easy that was?

 

[peregrine monkey]

Thanks for that clarification. Here's a hopefully suitable counter for Absol.

Hitmonchan@Life Orb
Adamant/Iron Fist
252 Atk/ 252 Spd/ 4 Hp
-Close Combat
-Mach Punch
-Ice Punch
-Thunder Punch

Hitmonchan has one more base speed than Absol and can OHKO with Close Combat. Shrugs off Sucker Punch.

 

[Ninterror]

Gallade@Life Orb
Adament/Stead Fast.
252 attack/ 52 def. / 200 speed
-Psycho cut
-Close combat
-Shadow sneak
-Will-o-Wisp


Gallade can slice Hitmonchan in half thanks to Psycho cut being Physical (which lands a bigger hit due to hitmonchans lower defense) Will-o-wisp and Def EV's can easily prevent Hitmonchan from hitting back and shadow sneak can pick off hitmonchan after being weakened if it's still hanging on.

 

[UltiMario]

It really took that long to counter Claydol?
suprising.
Spritomb@Leftovers
Bold/Pressure
252HP/140SpA/116Def
Taunt
Shadow Ball
Will-O-Wisp
HP Fighting

Taunt and Will-O-wisp just for Status lulz, Shadow Ball For hitting, and HP Fighting for Coverage on whoevers next.

You do decent damage at first, but Will-O-Wisp Cripples you.

 

[IC3R]

WTF happened? That Sharpedo worked. Claydol's Grass Knot only does ~85% maximum. Sharpedo can come in on any of Claydol's moves, and OHKO with either Crunch or Waterfall.

Reaper, you quoted the exact same thing I did when I posted my Toxicroak counter...

Sharpedo was a viable counter, regardless of what Claydol did.
My Toxicroak counters the Sharpedo.

What the problem is?



EDIT:: In all fairness, Gallade functions perfectly well as a counter to my Croak, and that Spiritomb takes it out, so..............

Magmortar @ Life Orb
Timid / Flame Body
EVs - 24 HP, 252 SpAt, 232 Spd
~Fire Blast
~Thunderbolt
~Focus Blast
~Hidden Power [ICE]

Your Shadow Ball does a laughable 33%-38% damage to me, while I'm scoring an easy 2HKO on you with Fire Blast.

 

[Ninterror]

@Magmortar

Swampert@Chesto berry
Adament/Torrent
EVs- 252 atk./152 Hp/100 Sp. Def
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Rest
-ice punch

Swampert can take down Magmortar with ether of it's Stabs easily. the HP and Special defense EV's will guarantee that Swampert will not loss all of its HP, resulting in a 3KO-4KO. When it's health is low (or possibly burned) ,it'll Rest up and continue to cause trouble.

 

[WouW]

No OUs. Nor Stealth Rock.

 

[peregrine monkey]

@Magmortar

Gastrodon@Leftovers
Relaxed/Sticky Hold
212 Hp/252 Def/44 Sp. Atk
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Recover

Laughs at Fire Blast and T-Bolt. Recovers off damage from HP Ice and Focus Blast and threatens to KO with Surf or Earthquake.

 

[Ninterror]

No OUs.

There is no rule for that.

EDIT: I might as well make a counter for Gastrodon.

Ludicolo@Leftovers
Bold/Swift swim
252 HP/152 Sp. atk/100 Def
-Energy ball
-Leech seed
-Toxic
-Surf

I can energy ball Gastrodon or Drain it's Health away with Toxic and Leech seed. easily shrugs off Surf and Earthquake.

 

[WouW]

There is no rule for that.

Lol, it's the freaking FIRST rule.

1) Only BL and below are allowed. OU Pokémon and Ubers are not allowed.

Vs. Ludicolo:

Venusaur @ Leftovers
Modest/Overgrow
Leaf Storm
Sleep Powder
Hidden Power Ice
Sludge Bomb

 

[Wave⁂]

1) Only BL and below are allowed. OU Pokémon and Ubers are not allowed.

5) Don't assume Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Stealth Rock. Don't use these also.

Yeah, it's not like the rules apply to the thread or anything. Ninterror is obviously right.

Man, ninjas suck.

 

[Ninterror]

Fun fact: I DIDN'T USE STEALTH ROCK

another fun fact: SOME OF THE POKEMON STATED ON THE WHOLE THREAD WERE ONCE OU.

 

[WouW]

Fun fact: I DIDN'T USE STEALTH ROCK

Don't lie to me, I know the truth.

another fun fact: SOME OF THE POKEMON STATED ON THE WHOLE THREAD WERE ONCE OU.

Like?

 

[Wave⁂]

Ninterror, you've already lost. Don't try to argue.

 

[Ninterror]

Like?

-GALLADE
-REGICE
-CLAYDOL
-MR. MIME
-JYNX
-YANMEGA
-PERSIAN
-BLAZIKEN
-MEDICHAM
-SLAKING
-UMBREON
-MILOTIC
-LUDICOLO
-SCEPTILE
-PORYGON2
-STEELIX
-EXEGGUTOR
-CLOYSTER
-CHARIZARD
-MAROWAK
-MILTANK
-LAPRAS
-TAUROS
-WEEZING
-GOLEM
-JUMPLUFF

all of these pokemon were once OU in a specific Time. In fact, some pokemon even today were once BL and then moved to OU (Rhyperior, Empoleon, Smeargle) and Vise versa (Gallade, Yanmega[UU though], Raikou).