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The New Counter Game: Read the **** Rules or the Thread Get's Locked

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WouW

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Flareon @ Choice Band
Adamant/Flash Fire
252Atk/252HP/4Def
Fire Fang
Return
Bite
Iron Tail

You can only 15-18HKO me. All moves do enough to beat you even if you Sunny Morning Sun stall.
 
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WouW said:
Flareon @ Choice Band
Adamant/Flash Fire
252Atk/252HP/4Def
Fire Fang
Return
Bite
Iron Tail
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Sandslash @ Leftovers
Impish: Sand Veil
252 Atk / 252HP / 4 Speed
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Focus Punch
Night Slash

not that he needs anywhere near 252 atk to OHKO you (112, or something like that)... and 4 speed evs give me the edge in speed- your not near OHKOing me.
 
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There are a few things wrong with that counter;

-Magnezone is OU
-If I Rain Dance on the switch, I outspeed and OHKO with Hydro Pump
-Even if I didn't rain dance, I could outspeed and 2HKO with Hydro Pump.
 
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WouW said:
There are a few things wrong with that counter;

-Magnezone is OU
-If I Rain Dance on the switch, I outspeed and OHKO with Hydro Pump
-Even if I didn't rain dance, I could outspeed and 2HKO with Hydro Pump.
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Yeah, I forgot about the OU thing and I figured only one possibility.

Here is a 2nd Counter

@ Gorebyss

Mantine @ Leftovers
Modest // Swift Swim
252 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Defense/6 Speed
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Seed Bomb
-Hidden Power Electric

Absorbs anything you throw at me with the HUGE Special Defense and kills you over time with Hidden Power Electric.
 
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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Brave/Water Absorb
252HP/252Atk/4SpA
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Surf
Rest

Two of your moves can't hit me and the two that do only 4HKO me, and I 2HKO with Stone Edge.
 
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Shaymin@Choice Specs
Modest/Natural Cure
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Seed Flare
-Air Slash
-Psychic
-HP Ice

I can OHKO you with Seed Flare and 3HKO you with everything else, meaning you can't Rest and expect to survive.
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Moltres @ White Herb.
Tmid // Pressure
252 Sp. Attack / 252 Speed / 6 Special Defense
-Overheat.
-Air Slash
-Hidden Power Grass
-Ominous Wind

Outspeeds, OHKO's with Overheat
 
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Calm: Marvel Scale
252 HP 252 SpDef 4 SP attack
HydroPump
Recover
Substitute
Toxic
 
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Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Jolly: Dry Skin
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Swords Dance
Sucker Punch
Dynamic Punch
Stone Edge

So I either dance or dynamicpunch on the switch, depending on the switch in. Assuming DynamicPunch hits (your countering, so it is gonna hit), your confused.

oh and I beat that ^^^ set because.... well I can just SD like 6 times and giggle.

EDIT- Reaper, im using this set to suggest that Dynamicpunch should be on the banned move list.
 
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252 HP/252 Def/ 4 SpAttack
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Spite
Rest
Sleep Talk

nojohns
 
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thats not a counter- here is how.

I SD on the switch.

I SD, you WoW.

Spirit- 100%
Toxi- 88%

I SD, you Spite. I am now at +6 and burned.

Spirit- 100%
Toxi- 76%

+6 burned LO Stone Edge 65.13% damage
you rest

Spirit- 100%
Toxi- 54%

+6 burned LO Stone Edge 65.13% damage
you sleep talk will-o-wisp. nothing happens!
Spirit- 41%
Toxi- 32%

+6 burned LO Stone Edge 65.13% damage
Spirit- dead
Toxi- 10%

edit- double checked, yep. The biggest reason it fails is because you cannot control what you sleep talk. If you could ensure you sleep talk spite, your counter would PP stall me out of the only move that can hit you- but you CANT.
 
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Sharpedo @ Expert Belt
Lonely/Rough Skin
252Atk/252Spe/4SpA
Crunch
Waterfall
Earthquake
Ice Beam

Surf only 3HKOs me, and I 2HKO with Crunch.

Pink Reaper, I want you to place DynamicPunch and Zap Cannon (and Selfdestruct and Explosion) and possibly Sleep Talk in the banned moves list.
 
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Why? Dynamic Punch isn't particularly difficult to beat, nor is Zap Cannon. Sleep Talk is understandable.

Keep in mind players we had an understanding a while back(like, first counter game a while back) that 50% accuracy moves have a 1-0 thing going for it, in that because it's 50/50, you'll hit first, miss second. Because of this, Dynamic Punch is often the least useful fighting type move to use because over two turns, almost everything else is stronger and as a one shot move, there's Focus Punch. If your worried about confusion, don't be, it's easier than sleep to beat, I just really wanted a reason to use an Own Tempo pokemon. I don't know what the big deal with Zap Cannon is, only 5 non-OU pokemon can use it, none of them particularly well >_>
 
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Pink Reaper said:
Why? Dynamic Punch isn't particularly difficult to beat, nor is Zap Cannon. Sleep Talk is understandable.

Keep in mind players we had an understanding a while back(like, first counter game a while back) that 50% accuracy moves have a 1-0 thing going for it, in that because it's 50/50, you'll hit first, miss second. Because of this, Dynamic Punch is often the least useful fighting type move to use because over two turns, almost everything else is stronger and as a one shot move, there's Focus Punch. If your worried about confusion, don't be, it's easier than sleep to beat, I just really wanted a reason to use an Own Tempo pokemon. I don't know what the big deal with Zap Cannon is, only 5 non-OU pokemon can use it, none of them particularly well >_>
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As your countering, shouldnt you assume that Dynamic Punch would hit at least the first 2 turns of use? thats a 1/4 event, its not exactly uncommon. My thought behind this is that you cannot use berries to block confusion. So now your only attacking every other turn. This really sucks, because as you are countering, you might as well assume that for the 4 turns that your pokemon is confused, it hurt itself in its confusion. Even if you only assume you hurt yourself in confusion the first 3 turns (12.5% of the time, again not uncommon at all)- you are going to be very hard-pressed to find a pokemon that can ALWAYS counter this set.

Actually, the only 2 UU pokemon that come to mind immediatly are Slowbro and Slowking, so **** i shouldve used X-Scissor over Sucker Punch? :laugh:
 
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Why do those moves need to be moved again? Zap Cannon and Dynamic Punch require some help to successfully pull off, and they can still be easily countered. You aren't countering anything if you kill yourself to do it, so Explosion and Self Destruct are kinda self explanitory, and so many pokemon have used Sleep Talk already, it would be weird to have it banned now. Granted, rules around it would be understandable...

EVERY BODY WAS KUNG-FU FIGHTING!

Hitmonchan @ Leftovers
Adamant/Iron Fist
124hp/252attack/124speed
Focus Punch
Mach Punch
Ice Punch
Stone Edge

Yay for outspeeding and killing in 1 hit! I didn't know Sharks were so frail.... I am expecting a ghost type, or a 4x resist or something, because a Iron Fisted Stab Focus Punch is going to freaking hurt, with a Mach Punch right afterwards for extra pain.
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Leafeon @ Yache Berry
Impish/Leaf Guard
252HP/252Def/4Atk
Swords Dance
Grasswhistle
Leaf Blade
X-Scissor

Can take a Focus Punch, Ice Punch (or Stone Edge) and a Mach Punch, and SD and have a good shot at KOing.
Grasswhistle to ensure that you won't beat me.
 
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WouW said:
Leafeon @ Yache Berry
Impish/Leaf Guard
252HP/252Def/4Atk
Swords Dance
Grasswhistle
Leaf Blade
X-Scissor

Can take a Focus Punch, Ice Punch (or Stone Edge) and a Mach Punch, and SD and have a good shot at KOing.
Grasswhistle to ensure that you won't beat me.
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Moltres @ Leftovers
Timid // Pressure
252 Sp. Attack/252 Speed/6 Sp. Defense
Overheat
Air Slash
Hidden Power Water
Ominous Wind

=D Outspeed and FOREST FIRE.
 
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Houndoom@Choice Band
Adamant/Flash Fire
4HP/252Atk/252Spe
-Crunch
-Fire Fang
-Thunder Fang
-Giga Impact

You 2HKO with Thunderbolt, and Houndoom 1HKOs with Crunch, it's just that simple.
 
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Claydol@Leftovers
Modest/Levitate
252HP/200SA/52Def/4SpDef
-Psychic
-Grass Knot
-Calm Mind
-Ice Beam

Must I really explain?
 
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I suppose if no one else will, I shall.

Articuno @ LifeOrb
Modest/Pressure
252hp/252specialattack/4speed
Ice Beam
HiddenPowerGround
Roost
Agility

Do I need to explain myself? I suppose I shall.

Naturally outspeeds.
Boosted, you still won't 2 hit kill me with that Psychic.
Boosted, I can still 2 hit kill you through your defenses.
Roost restores hp, HiddenPowerGround provides coverage, Agility lets me speed up past most Pokemon.

Special Wall or Rock Type Attack, go ahead and begin.

If the counter for some strange reason doesn't work, I'm almost sure that Blizzard works in Ice-Beam's Stead.

By the way, in normal competitions, to counter something, you would have to be able to take as many hits as it takes for your strategy of any kind to allow you to defeat your enemy, or more commonly, be able to switch in, outspeed or take a 2nd hit, and then instantly crush your foe, correct? Would it be fair to close this to outside factors, making it that the pokemon are only forced to contend with the effects that the target pokemon and the creature that is switching in to counter create?
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Against the Giraffe with some form of DID:

Farfetch'd@Life Orb
Adamant/Keen Eye
4 HP/252 ATK/252 SPE
-Swords Dance
-Agility
-Slash
-Night Slash

I don't care about your lack of immunity wishes! I just wanted to use a Farfetch'd...

Rawr. <3
 
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Altaria @ Leftovers
Adamant / Natural Cure
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Sing
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake

I dance and dance and rage.

to the counter, i either sing or dance, depending on your held item :)

edit- you **** ninja. but this still counters you, lol (if you dance, you still cant OHKO me, where I outspeed and 2HKO. you take a minimum 3 turns to kill, i take 2+ outspeed.)
 
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Cloyster@Lum Berry
Relaxed/Shell Armor
252HP/4Atk/252SpD
-Ice Shard
-Surf
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

I really doubt Altaria can survive long enough to kill Cloyster.
 
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Uxie@Leftovers
Bold/Levitate
252HP/128Def/128SAtk
IVs:28HP/20Atk/30SAtk/30Spe
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt
-Hp Fire (68)
Thunderbolt is a guaranteed 1HKO after 2 Calm Minds. Surf does max 22% (less with CM). Ice Shard does max 10%. Ivs are best I could find for HP Fire Uxie.
 
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