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The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)

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Circus

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Point well delivered. I applaud your skills with words. As someone who likes the Kirby games a lot (my first post spoke of Meta Knight being roughly as tall as Kirby which should make his range kinda bad), I don't know why his size never popped into my head in a size argument.
It's cool. When I first heard about people wanting Ridley in Brawl, I thought he'd bee too big. The size of any character had never really occurred to me before.

@Vagrant

"Human-like characteristics"?

So Kirby, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Yoshi are what? Humans with diseases?

If you just mean "has 4 limbs", then I'm still pretty sure Ridley has them. I'm not a Metroid player, but I've seen a few pictures. Even if he didn't, it's not like Pikachu (for example) ever even used his "arms".
 

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It's cool. When I first heard about people wanting Ridley in Brawl, I thought he'd bee too big. The size of any character had never really occurred to me before.

@Vagrant

"Human-like characteristics"?

So Kirby, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Yoshi are what? Humans with diseases?

If you just mean "has 4 limbs", then I'm still pretty sure Ridley has them. I'm not a Metroid player, but I've seen a few pictures. Even if he didn't, it's not like Pikachu (for example) ever even used his "arms".
Kirby, Jigglypuff, Yoshi, and Pikachu all walk upright on two legs and have arms and hands with some sort opposable digit allowing them to grab things.

Ridley is a skeletal looking pteradon.

And clearly you aren't a metroid fan, because the only people who think he would make a good character in brawl either know nothing about ridley or they are just young and silly.
 

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Kirby, Jigglypuff, Yoshi, and Pikachu all walk upright on two legs and have arms and hands with some sort opposable digit allowing them to grab things.

Ridley is a skeletal looking pteradon.
Kirby and Jigglypuff don't have any digits at all. Technically, they shouldn't be able to pick up anything at all, but they manage. I guess they do it the same way the Powerpuff Girls do.

And Pikachu technically has fingers, but he still grabs things with his mouth. The only time he ever uses his forelegs if for running.

And, arguably, Yoshi doesn't stand up right. But what does that matter? Why wouldn't Ridley be able to stand up right when he's not flying? He has feet.

Also, thanks for adding that last paragraph that didn't help your point at all.
 

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Oh wow! WOW! I haven't been here for DAYS and this thread is still being updated!

Its nice to see so many people care about Lucario. Yep, good old Lucario....

Now before we get into this whole "Ridley" thing. I think we ought to stay somewhat on topic. But I have to make a few pointers about Ridley first.
1. Ridley is a very important character to the Metroid Series
2. He has tons of attacks from his games for his moveset.
3. If they can scale Bowser down, they can scale Ridley down. (Bowser was so huge in Mario Sunshine)
4. Sakurai wants more Metroid and Kirby characters. I doubt we're just going to have two Samus's running around without Ridley to keep an eye on them.

With that done, lets move onto Lucario. If you're looking for more of a beatdown from Ridley, go to a Ridley thread and get proven wrong there.

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So how about that adventure mode? It seems pretty epic huh? Sakurai mentioned something about a "story line" with "character development". So this adds yet another reason why Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl. His story and character would probably be dull.

- Characters like Mario and Link have a burden because of the whole "good guy vs bad guy" kind of thing. Not to mention they've been around so long that it wouldn't be a trouble at all to give them motivation to fight.

-Characters like Samus or C. Falcon would be in the game for the bounty. Or perhaps some type of rivalry?

-Characters like Pikachu and Kirby are just happy go lucky. They're in it for the adventure!

- Characters like Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf are in it for villainous reasons.

So now lets look at Lucario again. Exactly what would his motivation be? He hates humans. He hasn't been around long enough to have that much personality from his games He isn't exactly that motivated to do anything. So exactly what would his reason to fight be?

And if any of you say he needs to revive a tree. Let me first say before you announce this terrible idea to me, that this reason to fight is probably the worst reasons you could come up with. I know you guys would say this just because of the movie.

Only Yoshi is allowed to save trees, well.... not a normal tree, its a Super Happy Tree. Its necessary for both happiness and fruit!

Lets review our list again.
- Lucario doesn't have seniority or popularity like the first gen pokemon have.
- Has bland elemental attacks, even though Pokemon has many exciting ones.
- People want him because he looks like Fox/Sheik.
- Sakurai has been making this game long before Pokemon P+D was released.
- The only reason people first suggested him was because of a movie.
- Even today, thousands of smash bros fans do not know who he is.
and now....
- He probably wouldn't have a good storyline and character developement for Adventure Mode.

- We can't forget my favorite reason though! He looks ridiculous! Seriously people... HE HAS A SPIKE STICKING OUT OF HIS CHEST! And that wig? Psh, terrible! What's his Final going to be? Hug of death? Smelly wig hair?

Ugh, this guy is getting worse and worse by the day.....
 

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let me just say that was one of the best anti Lucario posts ive ever read in my life. I dont really mind if Lucario is in Brawl or not. If he makes it I wont be mad and if he doesnt i wont lose any sleep. Truly the original Pokemon was the best. I agree with you there. I always say the problem with Pokemon is it all comes down to preference and which one you like better not really which one would be good for brawl 100%. up til this day i dont know what went through peoples heads to think that Deoxys had a shot. i couldnt believe what i was reading on here i was saying to myself do these people really know what a truly good pokemon is. one that is popular enough and deserves a spot. then the day of my dreams arrived where the "almighty Deoxys" was reduced to nothing but a pokeball. in my opinion the only legendary pokemon or anything that remotely comes close to legendary pokemon that can be in brawl is mewtwo and mewtwo alone. with that said i cant possibly pick which pokemon will be in brawl. all I can do is say which ones I know for a fact wont be in. im expecting a ruby/saphire pokemon to be in brawl. not sure about pearl/diamond. back then it was clear cut as to which pokemon was popular and which ones would be in SSB.

Jiggs,Pikachiu, and Mewtwo. simple as that. now since pokemon isnt that popular and i havent been into pokemon for a while i cant say really. ive heard mucnhlax was popular in Japan and Blaziken and that's about it. if Lucario gets in he'd be a nice addition but if he doesnt simply someone else will.
 

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let me just say that was one of the best anti Lucario posts ive ever read in my life. I dont really mind if Lucario is in Brawl or not. If he makes it I wont be mad and if he doesnt i wont lose any sleep. Truly the original Pokemon was the best. I agree with you there. I always say the problem with Pokemon is it all comes down to preference and which one you like better not really which one would be good for brawl 100%. up til this day i dont know what went through peoples heads to think that Deoxys had a shot. i couldnt believe what i was reading on here i was saying to myself do these people really know what a truly good pokemon is. one that is popular enough and deserves a spot. then the day of my dreams arrived where the "almighty Deoxys" was reduced to nothing but a pokeball. in my opinion the only legendary pokemon or anything that remotely comes close to legendary pokemon that can be in brawl is mewtwo and mewtwo alone. with that said i cant possibly pick which pokemon will be in brawl. all I can do is say which ones I know for a fact wont be in. im expecting a ruby/saphire pokemon to be in brawl. not sure about pearl/diamond. back then it was clear cut as to which pokemon was popular and which ones would be in SSB.

Jiggs,Pikachiu, and Mewtwo. simple as that. now since pokemon isnt that popular and i havent been into pokemon for a while i cant say really. ive heard mucnhlax was popular in Japan and Blaziken and that's about it. if Lucario gets in he'd be a nice addition but if he doesnt simply someone else will.


If Lucario made it into the game, I would still play it. Nothing can stop me from playing Brawl. But... I would always feel a bit disappointed about it. Like I said earlier, he doesn't deserve the spot. Kind of like Roy was in Melee, because he wasn't even in his own game when he appeared. This game is going to be as flawless as possible, that includes the character selection as well.

Munchlax is popular, but I would actually be really excited to see Snorlax pop up. Also Poliwhirl was insanely popular in Japan, so he could be a good choice for Brawl. Meowth is popular too, and I like him, but I don't think his moveset would be "top class". The original starters are also remembered by all pokemon fans.

Deoxys alone should be more than enough proof anyways!
 

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- Lucario doesn't have seniority or popularity like the first gen pokemon have.
By that logic, we should not bother with 2nd, 3rd or 4th gen pokemon at all.

Everyone must remember: Smash bros. is about uniting OLD with NEW. Retro with Neo. Not going by that principle with pokemon characters and keeping them exclusively 1st gen betrays that ideal. My 4-year-old brother doesn't know who the hell Wartortle is, but he knows **** well who Munchlax is, and who Piplup is. You're gonna rule out the new generation over a preference of generations?

The arguement of not using 3rd or 4th gen pokemon because the 1st gen is more popular would mean that Zero Suit Samus should not be in because regular-suited Samus is far more popular and well-known by the casual crowd. Or that Ganon should stay in his Ocarina form because it is the most well-known.

- Has bland elemental attacks, even though Pokemon has many exciting ones.
It sounds more like a simple bias against martial arts, because that is exactly the kind of attacks and style Lucario would bring to the table. Battling doesn't have to have flashy 'elemental' effects to everything, DK and Jigglypuff were proof of that.

- People want him because he looks like Fox/Sheik.
Please don't belittle pro-Lucario fans. They don't want him in because he looks like Fox/Shiek. They want him in because he's in the same catagory of fast-and-strong fighters, and more specifically, with an Asian-based fighting style which is sorely lacking in the characters of the game. But we can be narrow-minded too, you know. You only want Squirtle in because you like 1st gen more and Squirtle happens to be a fav to you.

- Sakurai has been making this game long before Pokemon P+D was released.
And yet Sakurai added Roy into Melee to promote a game that hadn't even come out.

Not a strong arguement there. He's had a YEAR to add 4th gen monsters.

- The only reason people first suggested him was because of a movie.
Do you HONESTLY think that Mewtwo would be as popular as he is now if it wasn't for his movie??

This excuse makes absolutely no sense at all. It's like saying "Oh, people only wanted Twilight Princess Ganondorf because he's cool." C'mon. You're not proving anything by saying that Lucario owes his popularity to the movie. The only thing you're proving is that he's popular. And that alone proves he deserves a spot.

- Even today, thousands of smash bros fans do not know who he is.
and now....
How many Smash bros. fans didn't know who Marth or Roy were before Melee, hm?

This arguement also is very weak.

- He probably wouldn't have a good storyline and character developement for Adventure Mode.
..How on Earth do you know? You don't. So why do you insist on assuming? He's a helluvalot deeper of a character than Pikachu, that is for **** sure.

- We can't forget my favorite reason though! He looks ridiculous! Seriously people... HE HAS A SPIKE STICKING OUT OF HIS CHEST! And that wig? Psh, terrible! What's his Final going to be? Hug of death? Smelly wig hair?
This alone makes you lose all credibility. In the long run you aren't giving good reasons as to why Lucario shouldn't be in but just have a grudge against a character whose design you don't like and yet so many other people do.

It's childish, man. You can do the same thing with EVERY pokemon!

"A blue turtle, oh my THAT's original! Lemme guess, he's water-based.. sounds more like a mini anti-Bowser. Lame."

"Ooh, this guy's so stong but he just looks like a giant albino kangaroo rat with a tube sticking out of his head. Seriously how does he HOLD that huge head up? Ridiculous."

"A yellow rat rabbit and a girly Kirby? Need I say more?"

This kind of name-calling really leads to nowhere.
 

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- Lucario doesn't have seniority or popularity like the first gen pokemon have.
-We have already established that he DOES have popularity DON'T MAKE ME QUOTE PREVIOUS POSTS!!
- Has bland elemental attacks, even though Pokemon has many exciting ones.
- Again his attacks are only bland if you don't know them i mean DK has bland attacks but Lucario has so much going for him! He could use Aura (Seismic toss FTW!) and loads of other attacks!
- People want him because he looks like Fox/Sheik.
- Because he is obviously a female Ninja that flys a spaceship?
- Sakurai has been making this game long before Pokemon P+D was released.
- He has also been making this game longer AFTER it has been released!
- The only reason people first suggested him was because of a movie.
- Which was part of him representing the 4th generation!
- Even today, thousands of smash bros fans do not know who he is.
and now....
-Even today Millions of Poke fans know who he is and even Today thousands of smash bros fans don't know who Ike was
- He probably wouldn't have a good storyline and character developement for Adventure Mode.
- Yhea because Squirtle obviously would have a better story line (And any character can have a story line all they have to do is fight them to save their world or something... like most characters do!)


- We can't forget my favorite reason though! He looks ridiculous! Seriously people... HE HAS A SPIKE STICKING OUT OF HIS CHEST! And that wig? Psh, terrible! What's his Final going to be? Hug of death? Smelly wig hair?
- He could do flash cannon... which would be MORE than legitimate

Ugh, this guy is getting worse and worse by the day..... No you are getting more ignorant by the day.
There i quoted that now you can use old arguments that we have already proven wrong to "Counter" that or just make something up using your A+ Stupidity!
 

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Lucario is by far the top candidate for any pokemon character. He has all the attributes. And he is definitely one of the most popular pokemon from Gen4.
 

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There i quoted that now you can use old arguments that we have already proven wrong to "Counter" that or just make something up using your A+ Stupidity!

Oh no, its YOU again. Well, its about time I pick you out of the crowd again. You never really had much to contribute other than attempting to insult me as much as possible. Actually you attempt to insult as many people as possible.

You think DK is bland? Yet you think Lucario isn't bland. DK has a creative set of moves and they are supposed to look cartoony. They captured that attack look for him perfectly. So Lucario is a marial artist? Lucario knows how to fight you say?

Well..... can't everyone fight in Smash? Its a fighting game after all. Lucario being in Smash because he is a fighting type is a terrible reason for him to be in at all. You see, technically everyone is a "fighting" type.

And I can't help it if people say they want him in because they want him to be like Fox or Sheik. Its something people say, which is a shame. Sheik really isn't that impressive, she has like, 2 good moves. And Fox is going to be different, actually everyone is going to be different! Saying Lucario is going to be as good as Melee Fox is just a really dumb assumption.

Ugh, I can't stand people like you. You're all followers. Do you even read what you're typing anymore? Do you even think for yourself anymore? Let me guess, you watched some youtube videos and read some things on this board, and decided to become better. But in doing so you probably picked up characters like Sheik or Marth just because people say so, and I bet you wavedash a lot. You also probably only play on tournament levels and refuse to try to have any fun with the game. Its all about being better than everyone else to you, isn't it?

People that are followers tend to do this. They gather in a group and call others "Stupid", or in your case "A+ Stupidity". Why don't you at least try to think for yourself? Everything you have ever said to me just makes me think, "Wow this kid is really brainwashed". I mean, I can't go on these boards daily because there are so many brainwashed wanna-be followers here. Smash Bros was meant to be fun, and these boards were meant to be for discussions around the world. But people like YOU always want to put everyone down.

You can tell a lot about a person by which characters they use, how they play, and which characters they support. And you my friend, are a follower that acts like a big shot. Theres nothing more to it. Quit trying so hard to insult people all the time! Grow up!
 

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Oh no, its YOU again. Well, its about time I pick you out of the crowd again. You never really had much to contribute other than attempting to insult me as much as possible. Actually you attempt to insult as many people as possible.

You think DK is bland? Yet you think Lucario isn't bland. DK has a creative set of moves and they are supposed to look cartoony. They captured that attack look for him perfectly. So Lucario is a marial artist? Lucario knows how to fight you say?

Well..... can't everyone fight in Smash? Its a fighting game after all. Lucario being in Smash because he is a fighting type is a terrible reason for him to be in at all. You see, technically everyone is a "fighting" type.

And I can't help it if people say they want him in because they want him to be like Fox or Sheik. Its something people say, which is a shame. Sheik really isn't that impressive, she has like, 2 good moves. And Fox is going to be different, actually everyone is going to be different! Saying Lucario is going to be as good as Melee Fox is just a really dumb assumption.


Ugh, I can't stand people like you. You're all followers. Do you even read what you're typing anymore? Do you even think for yourself anymore? Let me guess, you watched some youtube videos and read some things on this board, and decided to become better. But in doing so you probably picked up characters like Sheik or Marth just because people say so, and I bet you wavedash a lot. You also probably only play on tournament levels and refuse to try to have any fun with the game. Its all about being better than everyone else to you, isn't it?

People that are followers tend to do this. They gather in a group and call others "Stupid", or in your case "A+ Stupidity". Why don't you at least try to think for yourself? Everything you have ever said to me just makes me think, "Wow this kid is really brainwashed". I mean, I can't go on these boards daily because there are so many brainwashed wanna-be followers here. Smash Bros was meant to be fun, and these boards were meant to be for discussions around the world. But people like YOU always want to put everyone down.

You can tell a lot about a person by which characters they use, how they play, and which characters they support. And you my friend, are a follower that acts like a big shot. Theres nothing more to it. Quit trying so hard to insult people all the time! Grow up!
The only reason im trying to insult you is because of the stupid arguments that you put up and the fact that no matter what people say no matter how many times we PROVE your arguments wrong you always come back with the same old bull **** every time i dont even know why i bother with some one like you.

And when i said DK was bland i was saying that based on what you said (E.g. you thinking because he was a fighting type he would only have punches and kicks and you thought that was bland).

And when the hell did i say he was going to be like fox!?

Grow up!? Jesus your the ignorant little kid who decides Lucario isn't going to be in brawl because you don't like him... you even admitted that you have never even played the games!

So instead of telling me to grow up why don't you try to yourself!

And on a side note:

I can barely even Wave land i have never been to a tourney before and i Main Link!
 

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I really wish I knew more about Lucario. so that i could give a really good argument either to why he should or shouldnt be in brawl. im one of the very few people on here that despite me not liking a character I will still give a good reason why that person would be in brawl. often times (no disrespect) the people who only play tournament legal stages and play in tournaments all the time are the most ignorant closed minded ones for some reason. dunno why. there are a couple of them on here. anyway I wasnt being biased when i said Deoxys wasnt going to be in brawl. sure i hated the pokemon but i just knew it wasnt gonna happen. Sakurai even gave Deoxys fans a slap in the face by saying" this is a popular one" yet it was put in a pokeball.

Lucario being Popular isnt really the issue here. as seen with Deoxys. is Lucario distinctive enough to be a character? we all know it can fight. and the big question. does it offer anything new to brawl? Sakurai is trying to give us a wider array of characters this time around. what,there's 400 and something pokemon to choose from I think you guys shouldnt be arguing so heavily about this. Pokemon would be the hardest thing to argue about when it comes to which pokemon will be in brawl because of the sheer numbers and different opinions. it's not so clear as mario or link. just wait and see what happens. good luck though. if it's anything im going to argue over it a franchise with a few characters in it. not Pokemon which has endless possibilities. lol might give me a headache.
 

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Lets review our list again.
- Lucario doesn't have seniority or popularity like the first gen pokemon have.
- Has bland elemental attacks, even though Pokemon has many exciting ones.
- People want him because he looks like Fox/Sheik.
- Sakurai has been making this game long before Pokemon P+D was released.
- The only reason people first suggested him was because of a movie.
- Even today, thousands of smash bros fans do not know who he is.
and now....
- He probably wouldn't have a good storyline and character developement for Adventure Mode.

- We can't forget my favorite reason though! He looks ridiculous! Seriously people... HE HAS A SPIKE STICKING OUT OF HIS CHEST! And that wig? Psh, terrible! What's his Final going to be? Hug of death? Smelly wig hair?

Ugh, this guy is getting worse and worse by the day.....
1- Sheer popularity and seniority, no. Current, running hype and existing fans that actually still talk about him? Check. Also, as everyone seems to repeatedly forget to reply to: you've got 3 recognizable Pokemon from the series biggest, most succesful 'fad' period in Smash already. If you want to say that non-Pokefans and previous poke-fans need a pokemon they'll recognize RIGHT off the bat to be happy: Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pikachu. It's just freaking greedy to demand another just so people who don't even care about pokemon can giggle about yet another throwback.

2- You're dismissing the possibility that Sakurai could interpret these 'hadou' moves in new and interesting graphical fashions. Like I also keep saying: having characters that 'appear' to use different elements is nice, but it's not going to trump playability and popularity.

3- ...What? Who said that? Who said that ANYWHERE? The closest comments made to this affect have been that his similarities (which are MINOR,) are not a big deal. And the only similarities we're talking about here are being canid-esque, being four feet tall, and walking on two legs. Fox and Lucario are about as alike as Ike and Link. Obviously, Ike and Link are already in Brawl together, so I think being the same height and similar species isn't that big of a deal to Sakurai.

4- If you honestly think Sakurai couldn't have just asked Satoshi about who the new freaking pokemon are so he could think about putting one in the game...you're absolutely nuts. No, seriously: the two would already be working together anyway, because Sakurai talks with EVERYONE when he makes a Smash game. It's one of the skills Miyamoto said he picked him for: networking. If Satoshi and Nintendo's Japanese marketing department go, "Hey, there's this new pokemon we're going to market pretty heavily, give him his own movie, and make him special in the game, think he's Brawl material?" Sakurai wouldn't know about this stuff?

5- I've said it in EVERY FREAKING POST SO FAR: I was well aware of him MONTHS before the movie, and I'm sure a number of people were too. He was one of the pokemon announced before the game even came out. Let ALONE the fact that he is of some importance in DP.

6- Just enough Pokemon-fans/Smash-fans to vote him to the top of our own local poll by a high margin, right? And if, god forbid, they had to learn about him from other people on these forums and not some preternatural psychic skills, most of them voted for him anyway because they liked him -after- they found out about him. Who says being able to recognize something is the same as actually liking it or enjoying it, anyway? I'm pretty sure "Oh, I don't know who that is, but he/she/it is kinda cool!" is a few steps better than, "Oh, it's X. Cool. So, who's next?"

7- And you know this how? I'm pretty sure Pikachu's storyline won't be involving Ash (I should hope not, anyway.) Why would Lucario's involve his movie, anyway? Pikachu and Lucario's would probably revolve around the same thing that all Pokemon hinge on: loyalty. Protection. Both Lucario and Pikachu would probably both be focused on protecting their new friends and saving whatever world. If anything, Lucario would actually probably be a good deal more focused and heroic about 'having something to protect,' and if you've even a smidgeon of knowledge about Japan you can't honestly say that they wouldn't eat that **** right up.

8- You don't like the way he looks. Great reason why he shouldn't be in Brawl: your opinion. I'll phone Sakurai right now!

Honestly, all 20 whatever effing pages of this thread amount to the same thing: you don't like him, so you're coming up with crap reasons why he shouldn't be in. You're so blind in this we could literally spend all day finding links of merchandising and events where Lucario shows up for the kids, links to numbers of sale, copies moved, relative exposure, and it would come back in our face with the same **** rhetoric.

And you think you're managing some kind of successful debate by saying "I don't like him and my friends don't know who he is?"
 

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Oh no, its YOU again. Well, its about time I pick you out of the crowd again. You never really had much to contribute other than attempting to insult me as much as possible. Actually you attempt to insult as many people as possible.

You think DK is bland? Yet you think Lucario isn't bland. DK has a creative set of moves and they are supposed to look cartoony. They captured that attack look for him perfectly. So Lucario is a marial artist? Lucario knows how to fight you say?

Well..... can't everyone fight in Smash? Its a fighting game after all. Lucario being in Smash because he is a fighting type is a terrible reason for him to be in at all. You see, technically everyone is a "fighting" type.

And I can't help it if people say they want him in because they want him to be like Fox or Sheik. Its something people say, which is a shame. Sheik really isn't that impressive, she has like, 2 good moves. And Fox is going to be different, actually everyone is going to be different! Saying Lucario is going to be as good as Melee Fox is just a really dumb assumption.

Ugh, I can't stand people like you. You're all followers. Do you even read what you're typing anymore? Do you even think for yourself anymore? Let me guess, you watched some youtube videos and read some things on this board, and decided to become better. But in doing so you probably picked up characters like Sheik or Marth just because people say so, and I bet you wavedash a lot. You also probably only play on tournament levels and refuse to try to have any fun with the game. Its all about being better than everyone else to you, isn't it?

People that are followers tend to do this. They gather in a group and call others "Stupid", or in your case "A+ Stupidity". Why don't you at least try to think for yourself? Everything you have ever said to me just makes me think, "Wow this kid is really brainwashed". I mean, I can't go on these boards daily because there are so many brainwashed wanna-be followers here. Smash Bros was meant to be fun, and these boards were meant to be for discussions around the world. But people like YOU always want to put everyone down.

You can tell a lot about a person by which characters they use, how they play, and which characters they support. And you my friend, are a follower that acts like a big shot. Theres nothing more to it. Quit trying so hard to insult people all the time! Grow up!
How does one manage to go on for this many paragraphs and still maintain that high level of idiocy? I am most def impressed.
 

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So Lucario is a marial artist? Lucario knows how to fight you say?

Well..... can't everyone fight in Smash? Its a fighting game after all. Lucario being in Smash because he is a fighting type is a terrible reason for him to be in at all. You see, technically everyone is a "fighting" type.
being able to fight and being a martial artist are NOT the same thing. in Pokemon, ALL monsters can technically fight. By your logic, Squirtle should also be a fighting type.

You simply don't understand what a martial art is, so please don't assume as if it is that easily catagorized.

Sheik really isn't that impressive, she has like, 2 good moves.
Incorrect, and aesthetically, her fighting style is beautiful. BECAUSE she is a martial artist. Few people have more graceful throws than her, attacks that look like a dance.

You can tell a lot about a person by which characters they use, how they play, and which characters they support.
NO. YOU CAN'T.

My little brother is in elementary school. He doesn't know a thing about tiers. His favorite character is Shiek because he likes ninjas. And because he isn't very good, he spams dash attacks and needles alot, which luckily work in his favor. Does that make him any less a person than the next? You can't tell a thing about a person from their gameplay. They could be the cheapest, edge-hogging wave-dashing C-stick-slamming ******* on the block but he could be the nicest guy on Earth.

Don't stoop that low, dude.
 

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Kirby, Jigglypuff, Yoshi, and Pikachu all walk upright on two legs and have arms and hands with some sort opposable digit allowing them to grab things.

Ridley is a skeletal looking pteradon.

And clearly you aren't a metroid fan, because the only people who think he would make a good character in brawl either know nothing about ridley or they are just young and silly.
That post made me very, very angry. HULK SMASH!!! :mad:

Bring that to the Ridley thread and we'll see who's right. I am a huge Metroid fan, almost as much as I am a Smash fan, and I know he'd make a great character. You're just a douche who pretends he's a know it all and starts throwing around wild bull**** to make himself sound smart.
 

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To that quote in Gypsy lee's sig...


Ridley also walks upright on two legs and has arms and hands with some sort of opposable digit allowing him to grab things...


And did you ever notice that Kirby doesn't have any fingers or thumbs?

But i think we already sorted this out so... doesnt matter really.
 

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Squirtle and Lucario both have there pros and cons when it comes to being in Brawl. Lucario would make a better fighter than Squirtle, has more move potential, and would fit in the game moreso than Squirtle. Squirtle, on the other hand, is the ****s.

I say Toxicroak.
 

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OMFG ur so lucky im on my wii, cause i can prove EVERYTHING u said is wrong sandman...

mr. sandman!! bring me a dream dum dum dum dum....

vagrantwade u have NO idea how wrong u are about ridley...
 

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I think Squirtle is way too old school of a pokemon I mean I think they are they're trying to bring the new generation of Pokemons into the mainstream therefore I believe that they would mos def add a pokemon like lucario to the mix. Plus remember that Blastoise is on the Pokeballs so that pretty much kills his chances.
 

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i persoanlly hope lucario is pokeballed, but i have to aknoladge his fanbase and that if he is in i will most likely not care, and pyras when you gonna tell your bro that pirates are better then ninjas
 

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Wow Squirtle would be so freaking awesome. I can't really picture him being in it, but I would do my absolute best to **** with him if he was.. ^_^
 

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Sheik totally looks like a guy LOL. I haven't even really noticed that lol
I don't know who Lucario really is. I know of him and where he's from ect.. but why is he popular? Has the 4th gen even been released yet?
Ridley AT would be sweet! PC maybe but I donno, I think he's a better AT fit
 

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Sheik totally looks like a guy LOL. I haven't even really noticed that lol
I don't know who Lucario really is. I know of him and where he's from ect.. but why is he popular? Has the 4th gen even been released yet?
Ridley AT would be sweet! PC maybe but I donno, I think he's a better AT fit
Wow...you really should have thought about that before you posted it.
 

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I think you need to change squirtle's one bubble to many bubbles...it would look look better.
You did make a convincing argument about why Lucario shouldn't be in the game, but besides squirtle what you (guys) rather want to replace Lucario?
 

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Not many of those anymore....I like the squirtle idea, but i'm more than positive it's not going to happen. To be honest I acautally thnk Lucario has a better chance than 3/4's of all 493 pokemon. squirtle would be good but in someways Lucario's might be better.

Well Blaziken and Charizard are good too.
 

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Sheik totally looks like a guy LOL. I haven't even really noticed that lol
I don't know who Lucario really is. I know of him and where he's from ect.. but why is he popular? Has the 4th gen even been released yet?
Ridley AT would be sweet! PC maybe but I donno, I think he's a better AT fit

HA HA HA...*sigh* that was a good laugh... anyways go to the Ridley thread (Unless your to scared *cough* vagrant *cough*) and say that their im sure we can think of something to... persuade you.

Has the 4th gen even been released yet!? seriously i dont want to be rude but if you don't know that i don't really think you should come here... (Not to be rude or anything but this IS about PKMN)

(Dum dum dum *Mumbles words that he doesn't actually know but remembers the tune*)

O yhea and stop posting three word posts.
 

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LOL Yeah really...
Blastoise Pokeball for Brawl!
Blastoise=my fav Pokemon=not joking. Charizard, Mewtwo, and Paris are followed [in no specific order].

Nobody beats Jiggs
Jiggs in smash is awsome. I dare half of you anti-Jiggs in Brawl to say that to the many pro-Jigg users, because there are tons of them. Don't underestimate the power of the puff, those slaps really hurt! :laugh:
 
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