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I'm done debating with all of you Lamecario lovers. Here are 100+ pages about him. Read them if you dare, they'll contain all of the reasons why he has brainwashed this entire forum.
I can't wait to see Sakurai unleash his personal Final Smash onto Lucario
- THE BACKHAND OF DENIAL
I was right about Squirtle already. So when I prove everyone wrong about Lucario you're all going to feel really stupid for joining the bandwagon.
See you later killjoys.....
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Here is a list of reasons to why Lucrio should not appear as a playable character in Brawl. Debaters are welcomed!
First of all, the Smash series is a way of bringing the greatest video game franchise all into one fighting arena. Mario vs. Link, Kirby vs. Pikachu, and of course... Mr. Game and Watch vs. Ice Climbers.
This game isn't just grabbing random video game characters like the Raz from Psychonauts or Parappa the Rapper. Its picking the most famous, and even the most important video game characters vital to Nintendo's existence.
With that said, we can move onto our first reason to why Lucario will not appear in Brawl.
1.) Lucario's importance to the Pokemon franchise
When Pokemon came out for the first time, it swept through the whole world. Almost every kid that had a gameboy was playing it. When the tv show came out, every kid was watching it. When the card game, toys, and shirts came out, every kid was buying it. Pokemon was a franchise that was surprisingly popular to the point that everyone knew what it was. Saying that, I'm sure everyone can agree that the Pokemon deserve to have a spot in the Smash roster.
Those events took place during the first generation of pokemon, and continued through the second generation as well. The first two generations were the most successful out of the four. Of course the first one provided most of the important Pokemon that has appeared in almost every Pokemon game. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Gengar, Muk, Tentacruel, Magmar, Electabuzz, Oddish, Zubat, Geodude, as well as many others, all have appeared in 3 out of 4 (or all four) Pokemon games. All of course starting out in the very first one.
So naturally you'd think the most recognizable would have appeared in the first game right?
Now lets move over to the newest generation of Pokemon. The fourth generation in my opinion is "The generation of Pokemon that's giving the franchise one more shot before they call it quits". Well there might be more games out after Diamond/Pearl, but I don't think as many people will care at that point. The only people that play the game at this moment are really young kids that get suckered into buying the game because its targeted towards them. Or the generation of people that were young when they first saw Pokemon, and because they are so into it they can't help but get it. Has anyone noticed 20-25 year olds playing this game now? I'm not trying to pick on them for being 20 and playing Pokemon, because I'm 20 and I REALLY want to buy the game. Its just something I noticed.
So who isn't playing Pokemon then? My guess is older game players, players that moved on from Pokemon, younger adults that never got into Pokemon, and of course everyone that doesn't play gameboy games at all. So while almost everyone plays Smash Bros around the world, not everyone plays Pokemon. I bet 50% or less still play Pokemon on these boards. Which is still a lot, but also a lot who don't play as well.
Lucario.....
Lucario is part of this fourth generation. When I first saw Lucario's name on these boards I didn't know who he was. In fact none of my friends knew who he was either. My Dad knows who Charizard is because of the card game, but it would be silly to ask him who Lucario is. So other than these boards, not many people would give it a thought for Lucario to be in the game. Even if they did play the Pokemon game and Smash, saying Lucario should be in is like saying Alakazam should be in. While they both may be powerful characters, they hold no importance to the games continuing existence. Would Alakazam make sense if he popped up in the game as a playable? Not really, because his character is just your standard Pokemon. It isn't one of the starters, legendary, or famous Pokemon from the franchise.
If Lucario never existed, the Pokemon franchise would have not suffered any loss. If Mewtwo never existed, the game would have been lacking a "final" boss in the Pokemon world. Not to mention he's the only evil pokemon out there.
2.) Lucario's Moveset
Movesets are extremely important when it comes to Smash. It provides skills as well as personality for characters. While some character have never been seen physically fighting, they have been provided a moveset which suits their personal style perfectly. Lets look at some examples.
- Link and Marth both use swords, but while Marth only uses his sword, Link uses kicks and various items.
- Bowser and DK are both heavyweights, but Bowser has a shell which provides him vavious attacks. Since DK has no shell, he can use kicks and headbutts.
- Ness and Mewtwo are both psychic, but Ness is much more physical and he uses weapons. Mewtwo has dark energy and his tail.
After looking over Lucario, I was wondering what type of moveset he would have. Here we have some similar characters, but they all seem different to me. Lucario on other hand is a fighting/steel pokemon, so what kind of new abilities would he be able to provide? Lets look at his movelist from the pokemon game.
1 Quick Attack Physical
1 Foresight Status
1 Detect Status
1 Metal Claw Physical
1 Dark Pulse Special
6 Counter Physical
11 Force Palm Physical
15 Feint Physical
19 Bone Rush Physical
24 Metal Sound Status
29 Me First Status
33 Swords Dance Status
37 Aura Sphere Special
42 Close Combat Physical
47 Dragon Pulse Special
51 Extremespeed Physical
While these moves may be good in the game. Most of them do not provide anything unique for Smash. Now here is a link to the Lucario shrine where they came up with his own moveset. Lets look at it.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=78162
Here they actually made some unique modifications to his moveset. Aura Sphere, Feint attack, Inner Focus, seem cool, but overpowered. And most of his attacks are "like other characters". Though his front smash had an interesting effect. Now a lot of characters suffer from having similar attacks, but not for an entire moveset.
Making up a great moveset for Lucario is very difficult. You see he is a fighting/steel type, and as we all may know the pokemon world contains tons of elemental styles. Electric, Water, Fire, Grass, Poison, and Psychic all provide a more unique style than just a fighting type. Yes this is a fighting game, but pokemon provides many elemental abilities. Why not use someone that goes beyond punches, kicks, and some energy shots? Also Lucario acts like a human, so some more "instinctive" attacks are just out of his reach....
Lets compare a Pokemon with a completely different fight style than Lucario's. For this example we'll use Squirtle, a character that is a water type. No characters in Smash Bros use water yet, so already he is unique!
Squirtle
Strength: ***
Jumping: **
Weight: ***
Speed: ***
Traction: *
B: Bubble - Squirtle spits a bubble from his mouth. The bubble is the size of a turnip. It moves slowly straight forward, after a second it begins to float upward. It has no KO power, but it can be a handy projectile. Two can exist at one time (like Mario's fireball).
^B: Hydro-Mini - Squirtle spins rapidly upwards. As he is spinning water is shot around from the shell. Unlike Bowser's UpB, Squirtle's only hits them once in the air, and multiple times on the ground.
>B: Water Gun - Fires a quick small stream of water from his mouth. Projectile move straight and goes into a downward arc. As the water lands on the ground, that area becomes slightly slippery for two seconds. If it hits an opponent, it will hit them three times, but with no KO potential.
vB: Protect - Squirtle hides in his shell for a brief period of time. Timing of this move is very precise (like Roy's). If Squirtle hides as soon as he is attacked, he will slide away in his shell. Due to his low traction, he can slide far away without taking any damage. If he rams into a different opponent, they will be hit by a strong attack, and Squirtle can bouce off walls as well. If the timing is off though, he will be hit as if he wasn't guarding at all.
Nair: Goes into shell and spins
Uair: Spins elegantly and shoots a short guzzle of water.
Fair: One claw slash, then quickly another.
Bair: Quickly falls back to deliver a blow from his head.
Dair: Kicks rapidly downward.
Usmash: Rears his head back, and deals a strong headbutt attack.
Fsmash: Shoots a burst of water in front of himself. Low trajectory effects.
Dsmash: Goes into his shell and onto his back and spins rapidly. He performs a random pose after the spin to deliver a final blow.
Dash attack: Falls over and slides into opponent head first.
A: Little headbutt
Ftilt: Does a quick slash.
Utilt: Swings his tail upward.
Dtilt: Swings his tail downward twice.
Grab: By hand
Upthrow: Tosses them upward.
Downthrow: Throws them downward and lands on their back with his shell.
Fthrow: Jumps around them and throws them forward off his back.
Backthrow: Rolls along with them and throws them.
Final Smash: Hydro Pump - Squirtle fires multiple rounds of water like pokeball Blastoise. His water dramatically sends opponents off to the side and downward.
Taunt: Squirtle folds his arms and nods his head in a cool manner. He then says "Squirtle!"
So if you compared the two movesets, I would hope that some of you would find Squirtle more fun to play with. Squirtle has water moves, shell moves, kicks, slashes, headbutts, and some of his moves have attitude to it. Lucario is just not as exciting in my opinion. Fox makes sense when it comes to a bunch of kicking moves, because his games require him to be in a ship. But Lucario comes from a game where there are a lot of quirky characters, so why not use someone more exciting?
Not to mention everyone knows who Squirtle is.
3.) Lucario and Deoxys for Brawl!
These were the big two that were wanted for Brawl. Now... unless you've been deliberately avoiding the Smash site, then you'll know Deoxys has been turned into an item.
Has anyone been noticing a pattern here? Twilight Link, Twilight Zelda, Bridge of Eldin. Aha! They're all from the same game! What does that have to do with pokemon you say? Notice the last two announced have been from Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire? Is it me, or does Sakurai have a pattern going on here? It seems like he’s picking one series and is particularly focusing on one game to represent the group.
Still think I'm wrong? What about Mario and Bowser? The models used in Smash are the same as the ones in Mario Galaxy. And Fox is the same Fox as he appears in Starfox Command.
Making Lucario playable would be completely rejecting the fact that there is a third pokemon game. Pikachu and Jigglypuff were from the first, Pichu was from the second, so where’s the third game? I'm not a fan of Blaziken or Deoxys, and he is going on a Ruby rampage here. Not to say someone from Ruby will be playable, its just someone from Pearl would be less likely to become playable.
If the legendary Deoxys couldn't make it in, what’s in store for Lucario? Lucario's fame can't compare to Squirtle's. Looking at some of these results I still have to say Squirtle, Charmander, and maybe even Bulbasaur have a better chance making it in.
4.) The Movies
This is always an excuse to why Lucario will make it in. So I figured I should mention it. The movie he has appeared in is called "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew".
Saying Lucario will be in the game because of a movie, is almost like saying Munchlax will be in the game because of a movie. Didn't Snubble have a short clip in the first movie? Shouldn't it be in the game then?
Seriously, if Lucario needs such a crutch like a movie to get him into a game... then... well... that’s just a shame. That's saying his character wasn't good enough on his own to be in Smash, so we'll rely on a movie instead.
His role in the movie wasn't that great either, in fact it was pathetic. It was the stereotyped "I don't like humans", he got taken out by Ash, he ran away from the regis even though he’s a fighting type, and he sacrificed himself for a tree.
Some people even have the nerve to say Lucario is better than Mewtwo! Well then lets look at Mewtwo's roll in the movie. He's actually evil, he controlled the planets weather, he pretty much took over the world, he made a pokemon army, and of course he actually managed to kill Ash! That's unheard of in the pokemon world! And doesn't he have a sequal?
Even without the movie, Mewtwo was the original best and very last Pokemon to get without cheating. Even today some consider him the be the most powerful pokemon in the game.
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So there you have it. More than enough reasons to why Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl. I am positive there are areas in my logic that I haven't covered yet to why he shouldn't appear. But I'll let some of you respond first and maybe I'll answer some questions not covered in this post.
I hope some of you can see that it is unnecessary to place Lucario into this brilliant game.
We now have comics! Check them out!
Here's an example, drawn by my buddy Atticus. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LUCARIO ENTERS THE BATTLEFIELD.
Here's another example, this one was drawn by me!
The rest were deleted because nobody else should suffer the way I have. I mean I did go against the all mighty Lamecario, oh what a crime I have commited. Having a different opinion sucks, but at least I'm not brainwashed like the rest of you are.
I can't wait to see Sakurai unleash his personal Final Smash onto Lucario
- THE BACKHAND OF DENIAL
I was right about Squirtle already. So when I prove everyone wrong about Lucario you're all going to feel really stupid for joining the bandwagon.
See you later killjoys.....
---------------------------------------------------------------
Here is a list of reasons to why Lucrio should not appear as a playable character in Brawl. Debaters are welcomed!
First of all, the Smash series is a way of bringing the greatest video game franchise all into one fighting arena. Mario vs. Link, Kirby vs. Pikachu, and of course... Mr. Game and Watch vs. Ice Climbers.
This game isn't just grabbing random video game characters like the Raz from Psychonauts or Parappa the Rapper. Its picking the most famous, and even the most important video game characters vital to Nintendo's existence.
With that said, we can move onto our first reason to why Lucario will not appear in Brawl.
1.) Lucario's importance to the Pokemon franchise
When Pokemon came out for the first time, it swept through the whole world. Almost every kid that had a gameboy was playing it. When the tv show came out, every kid was watching it. When the card game, toys, and shirts came out, every kid was buying it. Pokemon was a franchise that was surprisingly popular to the point that everyone knew what it was. Saying that, I'm sure everyone can agree that the Pokemon deserve to have a spot in the Smash roster.
Those events took place during the first generation of pokemon, and continued through the second generation as well. The first two generations were the most successful out of the four. Of course the first one provided most of the important Pokemon that has appeared in almost every Pokemon game. Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Gengar, Muk, Tentacruel, Magmar, Electabuzz, Oddish, Zubat, Geodude, as well as many others, all have appeared in 3 out of 4 (or all four) Pokemon games. All of course starting out in the very first one.
So naturally you'd think the most recognizable would have appeared in the first game right?
Now lets move over to the newest generation of Pokemon. The fourth generation in my opinion is "The generation of Pokemon that's giving the franchise one more shot before they call it quits". Well there might be more games out after Diamond/Pearl, but I don't think as many people will care at that point. The only people that play the game at this moment are really young kids that get suckered into buying the game because its targeted towards them. Or the generation of people that were young when they first saw Pokemon, and because they are so into it they can't help but get it. Has anyone noticed 20-25 year olds playing this game now? I'm not trying to pick on them for being 20 and playing Pokemon, because I'm 20 and I REALLY want to buy the game. Its just something I noticed.
So who isn't playing Pokemon then? My guess is older game players, players that moved on from Pokemon, younger adults that never got into Pokemon, and of course everyone that doesn't play gameboy games at all. So while almost everyone plays Smash Bros around the world, not everyone plays Pokemon. I bet 50% or less still play Pokemon on these boards. Which is still a lot, but also a lot who don't play as well.
Lucario.....
Lucario is part of this fourth generation. When I first saw Lucario's name on these boards I didn't know who he was. In fact none of my friends knew who he was either. My Dad knows who Charizard is because of the card game, but it would be silly to ask him who Lucario is. So other than these boards, not many people would give it a thought for Lucario to be in the game. Even if they did play the Pokemon game and Smash, saying Lucario should be in is like saying Alakazam should be in. While they both may be powerful characters, they hold no importance to the games continuing existence. Would Alakazam make sense if he popped up in the game as a playable? Not really, because his character is just your standard Pokemon. It isn't one of the starters, legendary, or famous Pokemon from the franchise.
If Lucario never existed, the Pokemon franchise would have not suffered any loss. If Mewtwo never existed, the game would have been lacking a "final" boss in the Pokemon world. Not to mention he's the only evil pokemon out there.
2.) Lucario's Moveset
Movesets are extremely important when it comes to Smash. It provides skills as well as personality for characters. While some character have never been seen physically fighting, they have been provided a moveset which suits their personal style perfectly. Lets look at some examples.
- Link and Marth both use swords, but while Marth only uses his sword, Link uses kicks and various items.
- Bowser and DK are both heavyweights, but Bowser has a shell which provides him vavious attacks. Since DK has no shell, he can use kicks and headbutts.
- Ness and Mewtwo are both psychic, but Ness is much more physical and he uses weapons. Mewtwo has dark energy and his tail.
After looking over Lucario, I was wondering what type of moveset he would have. Here we have some similar characters, but they all seem different to me. Lucario on other hand is a fighting/steel pokemon, so what kind of new abilities would he be able to provide? Lets look at his movelist from the pokemon game.
1 Quick Attack Physical
1 Foresight Status
1 Detect Status
1 Metal Claw Physical
1 Dark Pulse Special
6 Counter Physical
11 Force Palm Physical
15 Feint Physical
19 Bone Rush Physical
24 Metal Sound Status
29 Me First Status
33 Swords Dance Status
37 Aura Sphere Special
42 Close Combat Physical
47 Dragon Pulse Special
51 Extremespeed Physical
While these moves may be good in the game. Most of them do not provide anything unique for Smash. Now here is a link to the Lucario shrine where they came up with his own moveset. Lets look at it.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=78162
Here they actually made some unique modifications to his moveset. Aura Sphere, Feint attack, Inner Focus, seem cool, but overpowered. And most of his attacks are "like other characters". Though his front smash had an interesting effect. Now a lot of characters suffer from having similar attacks, but not for an entire moveset.
Making up a great moveset for Lucario is very difficult. You see he is a fighting/steel type, and as we all may know the pokemon world contains tons of elemental styles. Electric, Water, Fire, Grass, Poison, and Psychic all provide a more unique style than just a fighting type. Yes this is a fighting game, but pokemon provides many elemental abilities. Why not use someone that goes beyond punches, kicks, and some energy shots? Also Lucario acts like a human, so some more "instinctive" attacks are just out of his reach....
Lets compare a Pokemon with a completely different fight style than Lucario's. For this example we'll use Squirtle, a character that is a water type. No characters in Smash Bros use water yet, so already he is unique!
Squirtle
Strength: ***
Jumping: **
Weight: ***
Speed: ***
Traction: *
B: Bubble - Squirtle spits a bubble from his mouth. The bubble is the size of a turnip. It moves slowly straight forward, after a second it begins to float upward. It has no KO power, but it can be a handy projectile. Two can exist at one time (like Mario's fireball).
^B: Hydro-Mini - Squirtle spins rapidly upwards. As he is spinning water is shot around from the shell. Unlike Bowser's UpB, Squirtle's only hits them once in the air, and multiple times on the ground.
>B: Water Gun - Fires a quick small stream of water from his mouth. Projectile move straight and goes into a downward arc. As the water lands on the ground, that area becomes slightly slippery for two seconds. If it hits an opponent, it will hit them three times, but with no KO potential.
vB: Protect - Squirtle hides in his shell for a brief period of time. Timing of this move is very precise (like Roy's). If Squirtle hides as soon as he is attacked, he will slide away in his shell. Due to his low traction, he can slide far away without taking any damage. If he rams into a different opponent, they will be hit by a strong attack, and Squirtle can bouce off walls as well. If the timing is off though, he will be hit as if he wasn't guarding at all.
Nair: Goes into shell and spins
Uair: Spins elegantly and shoots a short guzzle of water.
Fair: One claw slash, then quickly another.
Bair: Quickly falls back to deliver a blow from his head.
Dair: Kicks rapidly downward.
Usmash: Rears his head back, and deals a strong headbutt attack.
Fsmash: Shoots a burst of water in front of himself. Low trajectory effects.
Dsmash: Goes into his shell and onto his back and spins rapidly. He performs a random pose after the spin to deliver a final blow.
Dash attack: Falls over and slides into opponent head first.
A: Little headbutt
Ftilt: Does a quick slash.
Utilt: Swings his tail upward.
Dtilt: Swings his tail downward twice.
Grab: By hand
Upthrow: Tosses them upward.
Downthrow: Throws them downward and lands on their back with his shell.
Fthrow: Jumps around them and throws them forward off his back.
Backthrow: Rolls along with them and throws them.
Final Smash: Hydro Pump - Squirtle fires multiple rounds of water like pokeball Blastoise. His water dramatically sends opponents off to the side and downward.
Taunt: Squirtle folds his arms and nods his head in a cool manner. He then says "Squirtle!"
So if you compared the two movesets, I would hope that some of you would find Squirtle more fun to play with. Squirtle has water moves, shell moves, kicks, slashes, headbutts, and some of his moves have attitude to it. Lucario is just not as exciting in my opinion. Fox makes sense when it comes to a bunch of kicking moves, because his games require him to be in a ship. But Lucario comes from a game where there are a lot of quirky characters, so why not use someone more exciting?
Not to mention everyone knows who Squirtle is.
3.) Lucario and Deoxys for Brawl!
These were the big two that were wanted for Brawl. Now... unless you've been deliberately avoiding the Smash site, then you'll know Deoxys has been turned into an item.
Has anyone been noticing a pattern here? Twilight Link, Twilight Zelda, Bridge of Eldin. Aha! They're all from the same game! What does that have to do with pokemon you say? Notice the last two announced have been from Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire? Is it me, or does Sakurai have a pattern going on here? It seems like he’s picking one series and is particularly focusing on one game to represent the group.
Still think I'm wrong? What about Mario and Bowser? The models used in Smash are the same as the ones in Mario Galaxy. And Fox is the same Fox as he appears in Starfox Command.
Making Lucario playable would be completely rejecting the fact that there is a third pokemon game. Pikachu and Jigglypuff were from the first, Pichu was from the second, so where’s the third game? I'm not a fan of Blaziken or Deoxys, and he is going on a Ruby rampage here. Not to say someone from Ruby will be playable, its just someone from Pearl would be less likely to become playable.
If the legendary Deoxys couldn't make it in, what’s in store for Lucario? Lucario's fame can't compare to Squirtle's. Looking at some of these results I still have to say Squirtle, Charmander, and maybe even Bulbasaur have a better chance making it in.
4.) The Movies
This is always an excuse to why Lucario will make it in. So I figured I should mention it. The movie he has appeared in is called "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew".
Saying Lucario will be in the game because of a movie, is almost like saying Munchlax will be in the game because of a movie. Didn't Snubble have a short clip in the first movie? Shouldn't it be in the game then?
Seriously, if Lucario needs such a crutch like a movie to get him into a game... then... well... that’s just a shame. That's saying his character wasn't good enough on his own to be in Smash, so we'll rely on a movie instead.
His role in the movie wasn't that great either, in fact it was pathetic. It was the stereotyped "I don't like humans", he got taken out by Ash, he ran away from the regis even though he’s a fighting type, and he sacrificed himself for a tree.
Some people even have the nerve to say Lucario is better than Mewtwo! Well then lets look at Mewtwo's roll in the movie. He's actually evil, he controlled the planets weather, he pretty much took over the world, he made a pokemon army, and of course he actually managed to kill Ash! That's unheard of in the pokemon world! And doesn't he have a sequal?
Even without the movie, Mewtwo was the original best and very last Pokemon to get without cheating. Even today some consider him the be the most powerful pokemon in the game.
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So there you have it. More than enough reasons to why Lucario shouldn't be in Brawl. I am positive there are areas in my logic that I haven't covered yet to why he shouldn't appear. But I'll let some of you respond first and maybe I'll answer some questions not covered in this post.
I hope some of you can see that it is unnecessary to place Lucario into this brilliant game.
We now have comics! Check them out!
Here's an example, drawn by my buddy Atticus. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LUCARIO ENTERS THE BATTLEFIELD.
Here's another example, this one was drawn by me!
The rest were deleted because nobody else should suffer the way I have. I mean I did go against the all mighty Lamecario, oh what a crime I have commited. Having a different opinion sucks, but at least I'm not brainwashed like the rest of you are.
