Legolastom
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IN THE QUOTE IS WHERE THE ANSWER LIES!
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The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)
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*facepalm*
The reason I brought up Entei, Unown, Legendary Birds etc. is because they were ALREADY in Smash Bros. 64 and Melee. As PokeBall summons.
You know what I really, really hate? When people quote someone else's post and just put their replies in the quotein bold. Just break up the post, man.
Just curious.
I dunno... I just remember we had Hitmonlee, a bipedal fighting PokeMon, in Smash64. As a PokeBall summon. And I just keep thinking that I can't really SEE Lucario as a playable character. Meh.
kthnx
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And how important do you think Lucario is to PokeMon? More than Dialga and Palkia? More than Pikachu? Tell me honestly, I'm rather curious you keep bringing up the 'popularity' aspect and why Lucario is popular in the first place.
Well, the legendary status is debatable, considering you can only get one Lucario in Diamond/Pearl, and that requires hatching an egg you get halfway through the game. Unowns aren't legendaries by any standards, they somewhat share Movie 3 with Entei, like Lucario shares Mystery of Mew with, er, Mew.
Superior evolution is superior, I'm afraid. Luxray > Luxio.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
Oh, and Lucario's not a legendary! I forgot about that one!
So he has his own movie, and he's not a legendary. No other Pokemon can claim that prize
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And for that legendary thing being debatable, no, it's not.
Lucario isn't a legendary. Check Bulbapedia.
He shares the movie with Mew. *buzzer*So he has his own movie, and he's not a legendary. No other Pokemon can claim that prize
See also: the same point I made about PokeMon the Movie 3 in the last post with the non-legendary PokeMon Unown sharing the spotlight with the legendary dog Entei. And yet they both became PokeBall summons in Melee anyway.
Fair enough. Doesn't really matter anyway.
Legolastom
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The quote of mine is where you must look to find the post... of MINE!
(Be at thee fiend!)
EDIT: This is the third time i have posted in the same minute as someone else in the past hour!
digifreak642
Smash Journeyman
Lol, Link was playable in Soul Caliber 2! Link deconfirmed!
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
Can you think of a moveset for Unknown?
IllidR
Smash Champion
Could you think of one for Pokemon Trainer? Or for Captain Falcon before he was placed in the game?
Legolastom
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I hate the move set argument every single character or entity in the existence of the universe can have a move set.
E.g. Grass blade
Up B: Shoots itself from the ground and floats in the breeze
Side B: A great wind blows and causes the blade of grass to slash suddenly in front of it
B: The grass suddenly sharpens as anything that touches it takes damage (Has lag of 1 second)
Down b: The piece of grass go's underground and comes back up with A LOT of force major damage!
See!
But there are much better reasons why Unknown cant be playable : P.
E.g. Grass blade
Up B: Shoots itself from the ground and floats in the breeze
Side B: A great wind blows and causes the blade of grass to slash suddenly in front of it
B: The grass suddenly sharpens as anything that touches it takes damage (Has lag of 1 second)
Down b: The piece of grass go's underground and comes back up with A LOT of force major damage!
See!
But there are much better reasons why Unknown cant be playable : P.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
B-Up: Hidden Power
B-Side: Hidden Power
B-Down: Hidden Power
This thing is being compared to Lucario??Salaad
Smash Ace
How about we let Sakurai decide this? mhmkthxploxbb.
brawlpro
Smash Master
i don't understand your post salaad...the last part.
Salaad
Smash Ace
1 7|-|1|\||< \/\/3 5|>34|< D1|=123|\|7 L4|\|g|_|4g3z.
I don't know what I just said...
bb means Bye-Bye.
I don't know what I just said...
bb means Bye-Bye.
*facepalm*
I hate you so much.
Ok...
Charizard, I could understand since we have Bowser. Giant slow powerful fire-breathing lizard-hybrid-thing...
Oh snap, more clones? SAKURAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIII!!
Ivysaur, the quadraped Grass PokeMon... must be awkward jumping.
Fair enough. Personally I go with Dialga. That thing'll most likely be a Ball summon.
Kthnx. Also spelling fix.
Even so, he still shared the movie with Mew.
Magikarp are only awesome when evolved.
http://www.answers.com/topic/unown-types-png
A - turns into 'E' form, shoots multiple weak low-range lasers with repeated tapping.
Up+B - turns into 'Z' form, rotates rapidly for upward thrust.
Down+B - randomly turns into 'O', 'S' or 'U' form to rapidly descend. 'S' form rotates rapidly for weak multiple hits, 'U' hits for medium damage, 'O' hits for maximum damage.
[Up/Down]+A - turns into 'B' form, tilting/thrusting in the correct direction to imitate a Headbutt.
Smash +A - turns into 'N' form, pinwheeling on the spot. Requires close contact to an opponent for multiple-hit maximum damage.
B - rapidly switches between any of the other alphabetical forms to strike the opponent for a predetermined (based on final form chosen) amount of damage.
Smash+B - rapidly switches between any of the other alphabetical forms for a short period of time, depending on the time spent charging the attack - damaging any opponents in range every time Unown changes form - for a predetermined (based on the total garnered from the forms that made contact) amount of damage.
Unown fits well into the category of fighters who are fast and capable of dodging attacks well. Drawbacks include needing to make high-level combos for lasting damage counts, and low pain tolerance.
Pluvia's other account
Smash Master
Sounds fun, but I'd rather have Lucario.
Anyways it's late now, I'm off to bed. Brb in about 6 hours maybe, the update will be then.
Anyways it's late now, I'm off to bed. Brb in about 6 hours maybe, the update will be then.
Stryks
Smash Hero
OMG SANDMAN HASN'T RESPOND!! Typical...
Salaad
Smash Ace
He's spending his free-time playing video games with his "friends".
brawlpro
Smash Master
that isn't typical...u and him have responded with humungus posts several times...
I and several other people have given more-than-ample arguments about why he shouldn't be in, and all you did was lump us in a group with Sandman and call us bad debaters.
Actually, after reading through the last 5 or so pages, I haven't even heard a good argument from YOU about why he SHOULD be in. So take a chill pill.
I actually wouldn't mind. It's all part of the "For Brawl" battle. It's just good fun. Besides, the only one I want in Brawl out of the ones you listed would be Sonic. Petey Piranha FTL.
I don't even know why you waste your time with him. He's not going to respond because he has nothing good to say.
Ever heard of a thing called speculation? We're not going around saying "THIS PERSON IS DEFINETELY GETTING IN OVER THIS PERSON." We're SPECULATING about certain characters' chances. Jesus.
And try to make your posts bigger than one line. All you do is dive-bomb stupid spam messages.
Onto the debunking:
Okay, I'll give you that.
So is the boxing garden rock in my backyard. What type a character is has nothing to do with their chances for Brawl.
Again--so what?
Another pointless point.
So is Ash, Misty, and Brock, but you don't see them in.
So do Entei, Celebi, Mewtwo, etc.
So could Munchlax. I hope he doesn't though, God help us.
There have been very few good posts in the last five pages, most of them being from Stryks or Andrew.
Stryks
Smash Hero
Actually he said he doesnt have free time to respond to my post cause hes playing videogames...
When you play videogames doesnt it mean you HAVE free time??
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Not with his flawed logic.
Honestly I read through the first post of the topic and I can't believe... well, how flawed it is.
Salaad
Smash Ace
Your the one telling me not to spam? I'm sorry sir, but I'm not the one that got banned. Remember you spamming up the **What's up with Smashbros.com** thread? Exactly. I understand speculation, but it's gone so far that it's not that much of a debate anymore. Who are you to tell me not to post one-liners?
Legolastom
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Actually he is right there MM and Sonic shouldn't get into brawl... why? isn't it obvious? we already have to many "Blue characters"!
You just cant argue with that.
And RDK that stuff about his moves and such is when people acuse him of not being unique and everything.
And your 4th quote RDK who was that from? Stryk's?
You just cant argue with that.
And RDK that stuff about his moves and such is when people acuse him of not being unique and everything.
And your 4th quote RDK who was that from? Stryk's?
That thread was already spam hell. It's not like I was the only one doing it.
And not every post I make is a one-liner. In fact, that spam war is one of the very few times I have ever spammed. Ever.
And do I have to be someone to ask you not to spam? Last time I checked, you were supposed to discourage people from making stupid, meaningless posts. That's why SWF sucks now.
@Lego
No, it was Salaad.
Jordo
Smash Apprentice
Lucario looks like the under-fed member of the Blue Man Group, or some sort of drunken derranged ****** child who was beaten by his father. I don't want to play as that.
Plus his movie that he's in wasn't released in theaters outside of Japan, nowhere near as popular as the first couple pokemon films that were internationally released into theaters. Popular? Lucrative? More like overrated.
Plus his movie that he's in wasn't released in theaters outside of Japan, nowhere near as popular as the first couple pokemon films that were internationally released into theaters. Popular? Lucrative? More like overrated.
Stryks
Smash Hero
And ANOTHER who judges Lucario mainly on his looks, seriously if you didnt play the game, yet judge a character by his looks and little info you got u officially fail... or are ********, or in rare ocassions both...
Legolastom
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And if i saw you i might say you look like some sort of drunken deranged ****** child who was beaten by his father but others might not... that is your opinion it is no reason for him not getting into brawl (And i corrected your spelling BTW)
Um... so what? no movie is as popular as the 1st ones, that doesn't mean that they are not important.
And why would he be over hyped huh? its not like his name has "Twilight princess" in it anywhere... if your gonna make a point don't just say it explain it!
Edit: **** another post in the exact same minute as someone else... third time this hour... or two.
Jordo
Smash Apprentice
However, I did play the game. I don't see fighting pokemon meshing well into brawl. The last pokemon who made a cameo in a smash game was Hitmonlee, and he obviously was nowhere close to be getting the useable character treatment. Lucario with a unique moveset just won't cut it. It would be like playing as knuckle joe from the kirby series, who already is an assist trophy.
As for your hostile comments, chill out guys. I never have made a move on any of you. You play the noob card and correct my spelling on two words. Real cool guys, real cool. All I commented on is why Lucario is lame, and it might not be a good idea to see him as a playable character. Thank you.
As for your hostile comments, chill out guys. I never have made a move on any of you. You play the noob card and correct my spelling on two words. Real cool guys, real cool. All I commented on is why Lucario is lame, and it might not be a good idea to see him as a playable character. Thank you.
Stryks
Smash Hero
Ok so hes lame cause hes a fighting type and looks funny = no chances in brawl... right...
If anything fighting pokemon help the developers more in aking a moveset than somone like ivysaur whose biped in which they have to think hard to make a moveset...
Just because we havent had a fighting pokemon before it doesnt mean it cant happen, we didnt have a fire, water and plant type beofre did we? charizard squirtle and ivysaur say hi...
If anything fighting pokemon help the developers more in aking a moveset than somone like ivysaur whose biped in which they have to think hard to make a moveset...
Just because we havent had a fighting pokemon before it doesnt mean it cant happen, we didnt have a fire, water and plant type beofre did we? charizard squirtle and ivysaur say hi...
Jordo
Smash Apprentice
Did you just read what I said about Knuckle Joe? Lucario and Knucke Joe are cut from a similar mold. I already picture Lucario with the Knuckle Joe-like vulcan jabs (kirby also has these). I see the rising strike, and bunch of Fox-esque kicks, and Seismic Toss (who's to say charizard might have that?) Too many abilities that other characters are going to have or display in the game. I still don't even think he's all that spectacular. The upcoming God Pokemon film looks more spectacular and those pokemon are cooler, but they'll never be as cool as Generation 1 and Film 2.
kaid
Smash Master
Lucario meets Mewtwo in SubEm:
Mewtwo: I will destroy these pitiful humans. They made me a freak, outcast me, and I will have my revenge!
Lucario: You shouldnt. They make mistakes, as all things do, but not all of them deserve to die. I know.
Mewtwo: Pah. Simpleminded fool, blinded to your slavery. There will come a time when you, too will be betrayed.
Lucario: I once thought myself betrayed. My master abandoned me, sealed me away. But I found later that he was protecting me- a cause he gave his own life for.
Mewtwo: you are a traitor as well as a fool. you will die with them.
Lucario: If I cannot stop you, so be it. But you will have to kill me first.
(begin fight)
Mewtwo: I will destroy these pitiful humans. They made me a freak, outcast me, and I will have my revenge!
Lucario: You shouldnt. They make mistakes, as all things do, but not all of them deserve to die. I know.
Mewtwo: Pah. Simpleminded fool, blinded to your slavery. There will come a time when you, too will be betrayed.
Lucario: I once thought myself betrayed. My master abandoned me, sealed me away. But I found later that he was protecting me- a cause he gave his own life for.
Mewtwo: you are a traitor as well as a fool. you will die with them.
Lucario: If I cannot stop you, so be it. But you will have to kill me first.
(begin fight)
Stryks
Smash Hero
Jordo that fails:
I can imagine Sonic with fox like moves, including up smash and ADA and even AUA, he would have jigglys roll out and ring toss that would work like shieks b move, also his flame tackles will be identicals to kirbys and would have the same speed as falcon...
see what I did, anyone can just say:
This guy can have moves from this guy and will just be unoriginal...
just because you think he will be too similair to other characters, it doesnt mean he will be and that others think like exactly like you, including sakurai...
I can imagine Sonic with fox like moves, including up smash and ADA and even AUA, he would have jigglys roll out and ring toss that would work like shieks b move, also his flame tackles will be identicals to kirbys and would have the same speed as falcon...
see what I did, anyone can just say:
This guy can have moves from this guy and will just be unoriginal...
just because you think he will be too similair to other characters, it doesnt mean he will be and that others think like exactly like you, including sakurai...
Jordo
Smash Apprentice
I see where you're getting at, but for Lucario's sake, it's just really uphill. The guy will have to absolutely define himself on his special moves, and that is where he is hurting. And stop with the fail nonsense. You kept telling sandman fail this and fail that. But it did nothing, it wasn't until I calmly and reasonably debated with him about diddy that his opinion changed. Your trite fail arguments get you nowhere. Lucario needs special moves to define him. That is what holds him back. They REALLY hold him back.
kaid
Smash Master
^Yea. Even that combat would be near the end, after he's gone through denial, anger, acceptance, revalation, and carthisis.
Kirby knight
Smash Lord
Honestly I hate to make comparison's like this, but if anyone has seen Naruto;specifically Neji. I can see Lucario having a fighting style similar to him. Perhaps you could find some vids on youtube of Neji vs Hinata, or Neji vs Naruto to get a better idea.
I was thinking when Lucario uses certain attacks(such as a smash attack) a blue aura envelops his leg, fist, etc and actually extends the range of his attack.
Lucario is unique because he learns all the "Pulse" type moves when he levels up in D/P. some of his B moves could be:
B: Lucario's move of Aura Sphere, can either be charged or send out in rapid secession.
vB: Lucario's move of Dark Pulse, Lucario kneels down and Dark orbs of energy surround him. Perhaps it could be charged slightly and the orbs could be released, though they wouldn't have a far trajectory.
B>: Lucario's move of Dragon Pulse, Lucario opens his mouth and releases a blue like flame, it is slightly like Bowsers except for the fact that it doesn't hug the ground.
Final Smash: Lucario runs into the center of the stage and closes his eyes, a sphere of blue light radiates from him and who ever it touches their aura is revealed. Lucario then summons 15-20 Aura Sphere that surround the stage; whoever was touched by Lucario's Aura, the Spheres will home in on them, perhaps 20-25% damage with slight knock back.
Making movesets is by far one of the hardest things to do. I'm not a creative person but with a moveset like this I think Lucario can be set apart from other fighters. Any comments or suggestions would be nice.
I was thinking when Lucario uses certain attacks(such as a smash attack) a blue aura envelops his leg, fist, etc and actually extends the range of his attack.
Lucario is unique because he learns all the "Pulse" type moves when he levels up in D/P. some of his B moves could be:
B: Lucario's move of Aura Sphere, can either be charged or send out in rapid secession.
vB: Lucario's move of Dark Pulse, Lucario kneels down and Dark orbs of energy surround him. Perhaps it could be charged slightly and the orbs could be released, though they wouldn't have a far trajectory.
B>: Lucario's move of Dragon Pulse, Lucario opens his mouth and releases a blue like flame, it is slightly like Bowsers except for the fact that it doesn't hug the ground.
Final Smash: Lucario runs into the center of the stage and closes his eyes, a sphere of blue light radiates from him and who ever it touches their aura is revealed. Lucario then summons 15-20 Aura Sphere that surround the stage; whoever was touched by Lucario's Aura, the Spheres will home in on them, perhaps 20-25% damage with slight knock back.
Making movesets is by far one of the hardest things to do. I'm not a creative person but with a moveset like this I think Lucario can be set apart from other fighters. Any comments or suggestions would be nice.
Legolastom
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Wow that was great Kraid and Jordo if you look around you can find that people make his moves really quite original and unique.
And i hope to god Charizard has seismic toss! have you seen that episode in the anime where he is fighting Articuno!?
And remember kids...
Edit: Good move set but i doubt all his moves would be pulse moves... but it would be cool!
And i hope to god Charizard has seismic toss! have you seen that episode in the anime where he is fighting Articuno!?
And remember kids...
Edit: Good move set but i doubt all his moves would be pulse moves... but it would be cool!
WW Link will not be in the game. His art style clashes with everything else and Link is already in the game. If Link wasn't in the game, I would support WW Link, yet Link is already in the game.
I don't want another Dr.Mario/Young Link/Pichu disaster, think of the children.
Also, just because a Pokemon has a movie doesn't mean they deserve to be in Brawl.
Pikachu didn't have a movie. The real reason Mewtwo got in was because he was THE Pokemon in the first gen. Everyone wanted him. He was the boss of Pokemon Red/Blue and Pokemon Stadium.
I don't want another Dr.Mario/Young Link/Pichu disaster, think of the children.
Also, just because a Pokemon has a movie doesn't mean they deserve to be in Brawl.
Pikachu didn't have a movie. The real reason Mewtwo got in was because he was THE Pokemon in the first gen. Everyone wanted him. He was the boss of Pokemon Red/Blue and Pokemon Stadium.
Jordo
Smash Apprentice
Charizard needs seismic toss, it's like his calling card.
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