The Lucas General Discussion

[#HBC | J]

Hey J remember the conversation I had with you earlier about the panel or whatever it was last year? Most of this corruption is my doing ): I didn't know what to do!

Dude, it's more than alright. ^^ Don't beat yourself up about it. However, we can still fix the mistakes alright? You are fine FAE.

When I play him, I don't really notice anything that suggests he's got a huge advantage over me. Most of it is just him outplaying me since he's the one who taught me how to play like a year ago. I feel like it's pretty even, but I'm not sure if I can reliably judge my experience in the match up when I'm always being constantly outplayed, haha.

He doesn't have a huge advantage over us at all. ;P

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

WTF WHY DOESNT ESAM NAME SEARCH :l

 

[Chuee]

WTF WHY DOESNT ESAM NAME SEARCH :l

only one way to find out if he does





ESAM LOSES TO PEACH
/bait

 

[Luco]

only one way to find out if he does





ESAM LOSES TO PEACH
/bait

Chuee that's amazing.

Hihi ESAM! :D

I barely ever namesearch myself. I guess i'm just not that egotistical I guess i'm just the odd one out.

Nah j/ks (although seriously I barely ever namesearch myself. :o ).

Anyway, my brother and I are looking at healing with a ditto Lucas team. PK fire is barely worth the effort but PK thunder is pretty decent. It heals maybe 20 percent each time and is much quicker than PK freeze which only heals about 10 percent more each time.

Still, Mekos and ESAM together are nuts. That sktar match vs. Gluttony and Leon, I keep re-watching the third vid over and over, amazed at how a Lucas can possibly start a game at 0%, three stock and END that game at 0%, three stock.

Good stuff.

As for the match-ups, pika doesn't scare me, and it seems odd to me that Ness has a 0 match-up with pika and we don't. True he has the good Fair and some nice other moves to approach with but we're not too bad when it comes to pika ourselves, so I seem to think.

The ICs are in a similar boat. I know a good ICs main who says he hates to use ICs against lucas, because his magic just seems to separate the ICs so easily. After that Lucas can easily KO nana if he's also keeping an eye on Popo.

And Bowser... With a bit of luck in terms of air-breaking from the grabs (i'm getting better and better at it) he's not so scary. Lucas' PK fire and other moves allow for some easy-racking up of percentage. I'll refer you to my match with Dre. it's not the best example but it's okay.

Be aware also that the first two games I use ness. Skip to the third game if you want to see Lucas:

Luco vs. Dre: Elysium tournaments

 

[#HBC | J]

Hey ESAM.

@Luco: There is actually a thread on what heals Lucas and the like and I absolutely love referring to that for Lucas doubles. Lucas is phenomenal in doubles with the right partners even with some partners that can't heal him.

Pika, ICs, and Bowser are all easier MUs than people make them out to be.

 

[Luco]

Hey ESAM.

@Luco: There is actually a thread on what heals Lucas and the like and I absolutely love referring to that for Lucas doubles. Lucas is phenomenal in doubles with the right partners even with some partners that can't heal him.

Pika, ICs, and Bowser are all easier MUs than people make them out to be.

I do agree with everything you have said there. Also seeing what's best to heal Lucas would be super awesome. Or if you want you can just pluck out some numbers from that thread as an example, if you'd prefer.

I love Lucas in doubles. He becomes so rediculously versatile with another player. I wish they could do a doubles tier list. Not for every single combination against every OTHER single combination, I just mean generally. if that's too much to ask, then maybe just a few notable teams for each character.

Also I can just VM ESAM, if you guys want him to discuss it. Probably better than hoping he namesearches...

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll get the thread and find it. I would never play another character in doubles that isn't Lucas. He's just grah, Mekos knows what I'm talking about.

And please don't try a doubles tier list...^^" I tried a couple years ago and then the people on AiB is created one and it was terrible but it got publicity and just yeah.

If ESAM just happens to come by it's fine and great, but we don't really need to discuss Pika this very second and it's not urgent.

 

[Luco]

I'll get the thread and find it. I would never play another character in doubles that isn't Lucas. He's just grah, Mekos knows what I'm talking about.

And please don't try a doubles tier list...^^" I tried a couple years ago and then the people on AiB is created one and it was terrible but it got publicity and just yeah.

If ESAM just happens to come by it's fine and great, but we don't really need to discuss Pika this very second and it's not urgent.

Oh I know it's not urgent, I doubt he'd mind spending a bit of his time here though. It's not like i'd vm someone going "QUICK!!! The Lucas boards NEED YOU!"

Still, that could be rabid fan-boyism that's grown ever since I saw sktar. :o

Times like this I hate being so far away from the smash scene. In less than a week i'll be going to the middle of the desert, even further away. D:

Oh, by the way, I don't get the whole fear of Yoshi's island. Ture enough that the ghost platforms murder your PK thunders at the worst of times (they have to be doing it deliberately, they HAVE TO) but I have absolutely no problem with sliding up the side of YI 90% of the time. I know it's not a particularly great stage for Lucas but i'm never extremely scared of it, although it makes the SH PKF pretty much useless if you're versing an olimar or pikachu or kirby.

 

[#HBC | J]

YI is a terrible stage for Lucas. Like my goodness, just nightmares *shiver*.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=269969 here is the Ness' thread. Seems I never finished my project of finding out all the projectiles and the like.

I am free tomorrow with nothing really going on so I will try and get to work on it. However, an easy way to take it is Ness does about x2 the original damage of the attack equals his healing while Lucas is a closer to x3 the attack.

 

[Luco]

YI is a terrible stage for Lucas. Like my goodness, just nightmares *shiver*.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=269969 here is the Ness' thread. Seems I never finished my project of finding out all the projectiles and the like.

I am free tomorrow with nothing really going on so I will try and get to work on it. However, an easy way to take it is Ness does about x2 the original damage of the attack equals his healing while Lucas is a closer to x3 the attack.

I don't especially favour it in terms of competitiveness but i'm not so afraid of it. it can be a bit annoying though yea.

The reason I don't mind it probably comes from the fact that I love the stage as a setting for a yoshi stage. It's beautiful and really well done. But Lucas suffers from it so in competitive play it's a bit like an "eh." for me...

 

[Jamwa]

i can see in no way why pika is so much better than lucas that its a +1 for him/her. theyre moves are really balanced against each other, and we can absorb nicely. + our horizontal momentum is supa. he doesnt have a cg, and our ground game is similair (in terms of jab, ftilt, utilt, dtilt and dsmash)

IC's are so fun to verse, tail whip dat recovery, nair punish dat grab, usmash nana. absorb silly blizzards for easy 100% (if they dont desync). also no single popo cg on us.

 

[yoshi8984]

Hey, dropping in here again, should start being more active here, I've been too focused on the Ness boards lately. ^^;

 

[Screk]

Hello all the Lucas's

 

[Esotera]

i can see in no way why pika is so much better than lucas that its a +1 for him/her. theyre moves are really balanced against each other, and we can absorb nicely. + our horizontal momentum is supa. he doesnt have a cg, and our ground game is similair (in terms of jab, ftilt, utilt, dtilt and dsmash)

IC's are so fun to verse, tail whip dat recovery, nair punish dat grab, usmash nana. absorb silly blizzards for easy 100% (if they dont desync). also no single popo cg on us.

GR chain grab and there's a dthrow cg from 0-about 40% if they get the shnair after it. But yes I agree.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah, ICs have a Dthrow CG on us still nontheless.

Also welcome Ness peoples!

 

[Jimmy?]

I thought Pika doesn't have a GR chaingrab on us? Can't you jab or spot dodge in time to prevent it? My practice partner said he saw ESAM vs Mekos videos in which that was the case. .-.

EDIT: Oh, ICs. Haha.

/******.

 

[Esotera]

I thought Pika doesn't have a GR chaingrab on us? Can't you jab or spot dodge in time to prevent it? My practice partner said he saw ESAM vs Mekos videos in which that was the case. .-.

EDIT: Oh, ICs. Haha.

/******.

No, I was talking about pika. Of course SoPo has dthrow cg on us, if we are at 0 he can go to like 60% or something. The pika dthrow cg is from like 0-40. Buffered dash grab->gr is true, I promise.

 

[Seagull Joe]

I found a way to make this matchup +2 .

And it's gay as hell!!!

 

[#HBC | J]

Care to share? :o

I'm curious about how Wolf could possibly be a counter now.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Ask Pink Fresh of what I did to him.

times out very easily...One hit and it's over. You gotta approach. Your approaches suck. Wish I listened to Yink sooner.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hm alright thanks.

Seems a bit improbable that we can be timed out by Wolf "very easily" but willing to listen.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

FNSADHFUIOAHIO @ +2 LMFAO.

No way, I'm sure it's still even as it revolves around getting the lead.

He just runs away and tries to time me out. -_-

 

[Seagull Joe]

FNSADHFUIOAHIO @ +2 LMFAO.

No way, I'm sure it's still even as it revolves around getting the lead.

He just runs away and tries to time me out. -_-

Ban Fd and you lose hardcore. No options.

You jump: I jump away or shine.

You approach with a move: I retreat a fair.

You play defense: I do nothing except scoff at your pk fire's.

I have zero reason to approach you ever. Your approaches are ayuss.

 

[#HBC | J]

No options? That's not true.

Also just because our approaches are not the best doesn't mean they are completely ineffective against Wolf.

I have to agree with PF, nothing about this MU says +2 for Wolf, but it is around evenish/-1 land.

 

[Seagull Joe]

In all honesty the matchup is probably even, but the new way I'm gonna play this matchup will make PF rage quit for sure.

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha well that seems like it would be funny to say the least. ;P

 

[Chuee]

In all honesty the matchup is probably even, but the new way I'm gonna play this matchup will make PF rage quit for sure.

Mekos uses airdodge cancel zair to beat your retreating Fair and deal 15%. You lose the lead, Mekos wins.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Mekos uses airdodge cancel zair to beat your retreating Fair and deal 15%. You lose the lead, Mekos wins.

cwckqweckewck-ewckewc-e-kckeck-@Statement.

 

[#HBC | J]

cwckqweckewck-ewckewc-e-kckeck-@Statement.

I want NickRiddle to win the interview thing, but if you win, I wouldn't be too upset with it. ;P

 

[Jamwa]

single popo cannot Dgrab cg us.. we can jump airdodge.. just as we can with pikas

 

[Esotera]

single popo cannot Dgrab cg us.. we can jump airdodge.. just as we can with pikas

You're wrong... Sopo has dthrow cg on every member of the cast at the right percentage. Here's the thread about it: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=246701

And I don't know what pika you are doing that against, but at early percents ethey can get 3-4 grabs on us and end it with nair for a big chunk. I know this for a fact.

 

[Tricky Shadowe]

So I've been playing Lucas a lot more. I think he's my secondary. Him or TL but IC are my main (even though I cannot CG very well)

Most of the time when I play Lucas, I use him for doubles. And I love it. He is so much fun to play in general.

I was maining him for a second but I may main him once again and secondary TL. And say peace to IC.

What do you guys think?

And hey, J!

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

If you want to win Main ICs.

If you like having fun then main character A

 

[#HBC | J]

So I've been playing Lucas a lot more. I think he's my secondary. Him or TL but IC are my main (even though I cannot CG very well)

Most of the time when I play Lucas, I use him for doubles. And I love it. He is so much fun to play in general.

I was maining him for a second but I may main him once again and secondary TL. And say peace to IC.

What do you guys think?

And hey, J!

Hey Tricky! =D Welcome to the Lucas boards.

Lucas is totally fun to play, but I've always considered trying to pocket a TL with my Peach/ZSS/Jiggs because he is so fun but eh those days are over.

I think you should main whomever you like having fun with, if it is Lucas, than yay.


Edit: Can you guys who haven't gone to the Oli Export do as such? I've written up a summary of the MU but I want your guy's opinions on the MU because I feel it's even.

 

[Luco]

Hey Tricky! =D Welcome to the Lucas boards.

Lucas is totally fun to play, but I've always considered trying to pocket a TL with my Peach/ZSS/Jiggs because he is so fun but eh those days are over.

I think you should main whomever you like having fun with, if it is Lucas, than yay.


Edit: Can you guys who haven't gone to the Oli Export do as such? I've written up a summary of the MU but I want your guy's opinions on the MU because I feel it's even.

Aha... I do have a few things to say about the oli match-up.

And welcome, Tricky. It's already been said but if you feel like you want to just play a character that is fun to use, I recommend Lucas. Or Ness. Two of the most unique characters in the game. :D

If you want to win money tho, it would take a lot of time to get that good with a Lucas and even good lucases have trouble getting money. Probably best to keep a pocket char like TL or ICs buuuuuuuuuttttt..... Remember Lucas is amazing in doubles. <3

Which reminds me, I saw the doubles match between Mekos, ESAM, Gluttony and Leon and wondered how one can possibly begin a match at three stock, zero percent and end the game with three stock, zero percent. It's possible but feels like it would be soooooo hard to do.

Also that collision match vs. Fatal and Pelca, the second time.... I bow down to that perfectly timed Usmash.

I feel so bad as Lucas now. D:

 

[Tricky Shadowe]

I think what I am going to do is play Lucas and TL more. And practice GC with Ic. If I just can't do it, then screw them.

I use Lucas for doubles all the time and do decent. Depends on my teammate. Dive usually picks Mario, so Kick picks Lucas. Or Dive picks Donkey Kong and Kick picks Diddy Kong.

Di Ki, Do Ko, Di Ko.....

Sorry, rambling to myself. Teammate is Dive, I am Kick.

 

[Jrugs]

You could probably main both.

 

[Jamwa]

Lucas - 76% [23T]

doubt he can dthrow us to 76% (ok looked at ur link, but this requires perfect timing..)

the pika i vs prolly doesn't buffer, ill look into it i think ive seen something somewhere - cant find anything showing lucas getting cged

 

[Karnu]

What is taking Lucas so long to get to mid tier?

Spoiler

Excuse to use this gif lol

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha I like the gif. I think the reason it's taking so long is because the tier list has yet to be finalized which I cannot wait to see my boy Lucas at the bottom of Mid-tier where he belongs.