Legend of Zelda The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - NO SPOILERS, USE THE SPOILER THREAD PLEASE

[finalark]

I'm more than pleased with those graphics. Kinda cool how the backround looks almost like a painting.

Exactly the point. I personally love the new graphical style, despite what other people may say (you know, as if the style actually effected the game play or something).

 

[Spire]

Exactly the point. I personally love the new graphical style, despite what other people may say (you know, as if the style actually effected the game play or something).

Actually it does. The style effected the enemy designs which is designed hand-in-hand with how to defeat them, hence why they decided to incporate Wii Motion Plus. Aonuma/Miyamoto said that Motion+ came in later in the stages, after they decided on this art concept (which was after E3 '09).

 

[Tacel]

I hope you can beat the dungeons in different orders.
It gives a reason to replay it.

And I love the graphic style so much.

 

[Godbrother11225]

WTF? The Zelda series has a confusing storyline. I thought Link was with his uncle, or when Link was born in kakorki(misspelled) village? and in twilight princess he was a rancher. and now your telling me that he is from the sky? *facepalm* my brain hurts. Alternate Universe much?

 

[finalark]

WTF? The Zelda series has a confusing storyline. I thought Link was with his uncle, or when Link was born in kakorki(misspelled) village? and in twilight princess he was a rancher. and now your telling me that he is from the sky? *facepalm* my brain hurts. Alternate Universe much?

Each Zelda stars a different Link from before and most of them take place around 100+ years from each other.

And then you get into timeline theories...

 

[Phantom7]

WTF? The Zelda series has a confusing storyline. I thought Link was with his uncle, or when Link was born in kakorki(misspelled) village? and in twilight princess he was a rancher. and now your telling me that he is from the sky? *facepalm* my brain hurts. Alternate Universe much?

The confirmed timeline is as follows:

SS--OoT --- WW/PH --- ST
-----MM --- TP

This timeline features 5 incarnations of Link throughout the games:

Link A - Skyward Sword
Link B (Hero of Time) - Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask
Link C (Hero of Winds) - Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass
Link D - Spirit Tracks
Link E - Twilight Princess

Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, respectively, are parallel in the timeline.

But back to SS, I also love the graphics style. It fits very well with the "sky" theme of the game.

But does anybody find anything suspicious about this?

 

[finalark]

But does anybody find anything suspicious about this?

Not really. I'd have to really stretch my imagination for those two pictures to look anything alike. Aside from the whole "cliffs high above the clouds" they really don't have much of a resemblance.

 

[Phantom7]

Not really. I'd have to really stretch my imagination for those two pictures to look anything alike. Aside from the whole "cliffs high above the clouds" they really don't have much of a resemblance.

That is the resemblance, though, the cliff above the clouds. Something tells me that may have been done intentionally.

 

[finalark]

That is the resemblance, though, the cliff above the clouds. Something tells me that may have been done intentionally.

It is entirely possible. Perhaps that old piece of art will show up as an actual event in Skyward Sword...?

 

[Luigitoilet]

That is the resemblance, though, the cliff above the clouds. Something tells me that may have been done intentionally.

That's not really that unique of a visual to determine that it means anything at all. How old is that second piece of art anyways?

and bahhh this timeline/theory crap finds its way into every thread.

 

[Spire]

Skyward Sword Nintendo Power Details

http://www.zeldadungeon.net/2010/07/skyward-sword-no-voice-acting-and-more/

In a recent post over at GoNintendo, there is a quick look at the upcoming September issue of Nintendo Power magazine. In particular for us, there is a whole section dedicated to the upcoming Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Here are the few tidbits revealed about the next Zelda game according to this preview at GoNintendo.

1. Voice Acting wouldn’t fit in the series

This more or less tells us that the developers just do not believe voice acting is the way to go for the Legend of Zelda series. While they say it might not fit the series, I personally think that all this means is that, at this time they don’t think it fits. Who knows, 2-3 years down the line when we are talking about the next Legend of Zelda title for the 3DS or a Nintendo console, they might find a way to fit voice acting in the series.

2. Zelda confirmed

So our beloved Princess Zelda will return in Skyward Sword and thus, will likely get captured, turned into stone, have her soul separated from her body, or some other crazy plot twist that causes us to have to help her out. One would assume that Princess Zelda would make an appearance, although we have had games such as Link’s Awakening where her named is mentioned but she never actually appears within the game. Even Majora’s Mask had only one flashback of her throughout the game. Since GoNintendo is reporting that it says she has been confirmed in the game, one would assume she’d play a more prominent role, rather than just be a side character like she was in a few games.

3. No comment on Ganon

This doesn’t really say much, but it seems that if Ganon wasn’t in it, they would jump right away and say just that. I’m thinking though, this was a typical Nintendo response to a question in regards to the storyline of the game, before the game was close to release. Nintendo employees have a tendency to say things such as, I cannot talk about that at the present time, and by my guess this is exactly what this means. However, this information, in combination with the confirmation that Zelda would appear, does seem inconsistent. So maybe by not making a comment, this is a confirmation that Ganon does appear? Or since it got different treatment from Princess Zelda, it is confirmation that he doesn’t appear? This is up for interpretation.

4. Possibly using the Beetle in racing challenges

Nothing surprising here. We’d expect the old and new Skyward Sword Items to have different and unique uses in the upcoming game. Given the nature of the beetle, using it as a racing device, or simply getting one thing from one place to another in a short amount of time seems like common sense for an upcoming Zelda game. It surely looks like a fun item and the possibilities are really open in terms of what it can do within puzzles and mini-games.

5. Miyamoto hasn’t upended the tea table…yet

Good ole Miyamoto. He never let’s us down a day in his life. Seriously, I have no idea what this means, but my personal take is that Miyamoto cares significantly about the actual gameplay and when it comes to graphics, story, and the flow of the game, I don’t think his level of care is nearly as high. Thus, I think much of Miyamoto’s involvement with the game was related to the motion controls and I do not think he’ll jump in and flip anything upside down in the last few months of development. Although he has in the past…

So that’s just about it for these rumors. The September issue of Nintendo Power should be hitting shelves in the first week of August, as is accustomed with magazines. Once we get a better transcript of the actual information, we’ll be sure to report it right here at Zelda Dungeon. Be sure to stay tuned for the latest Skyward Sword news and be sure to bookmark our Skyward Sword Walkthrough, which we will be providing once the game ships in early 2011.

 

[finalark]

1. Voice Acting wouldn’t fit in the series

This more or less tells us that the developers just do not believe voice acting is the way to go for the Legend of Zelda series. While they say it might not fit the series, I personally think that all this means is that, at this time they don’t think it fits. Who knows, 2-3 years down the line when we are talking about the next Legend of Zelda title for the 3DS or a Nintendo console, they might find a way to fit voice acting in the series.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see it in the future. Come on, Nintendo, it's practically an industry standard these days. But at this point, given Nintendo's previous voice action attempts maybe it is better that LoZ is voice acted yet.

2. Zelda confirmed

So our beloved Princess Zelda will return in Skyward Sword and thus, will likely get captured, turned into stone, have her soul separated from her body, or some other crazy plot twist that causes us to have to help her out. One would assume that Princess Zelda would make an appearance, although we have had games such as Link’s Awakening where her named is mentioned but she never actually appears within the game. Even Majora’s Mask had only one flashback of her throughout the game. Since GoNintendo is reporting that it says she has been confirmed in the game, one would assume she’d play a more prominent role, rather than just be a side character like she was in a few games.

I'm hoping that she actually does useful things rather than become helpless or whatever. I want to see Zelda play a bigger role and actually be able to act on her own without having to be rescued.

3. No comment on Ganon

This doesn’t really say much, but it seems that if Ganon wasn’t in it, they would jump right away and say just that. I’m thinking though, this was a typical Nintendo response to a question in regards to the storyline of the game, before the game was close to release. Nintendo employees have a tendency to say things such as, I cannot talk about that at the present time, and by my guess this is exactly what this means. However, this information, in combination with the confirmation that Zelda would appear, does seem inconsistent. So maybe by not making a comment, this is a confirmation that Ganon does appear? Or since it got different treatment from Princess Zelda, it is confirmation that he doesn’t appear? This is up for interpretation.

Given that Skyward Sword takes place at the start of the timeline, I'm kind of hoping that we get to see how Ganon became Ganon.

5. Miyamoto hasn’t upended the tea table…yet

Good ole Miyamoto. He never let’s us down a day in his life. Seriously, I have no idea what this means, but my personal take is that Miyamoto cares significantly about the actual gameplay and when it comes to graphics, story, and the flow of the game, I don’t think his level of care is nearly as high. Thus, I think much of Miyamoto’s involvement with the game was related to the motion controls and I do not think he’ll jump in and flip anything upside down in the last few months of development. Although he has in the past…

Flipping the Teatable is a Japanese saying when you suddenly decide to stop half-way through something and start all over, thus creating a big mess (if I recall correctly). I don't know, just look at how different TP was in it's final release compared to early trailers. I'm liking the way the game looks so I'm really hoping they keep it as-is.

So yeah, that's my thoughts on it.

 

[Spire]

I'm pretty sure the 'watercolor' graphic style is set in stone at this point. If they changed it again, it would be the third graphical shift in development and most likely detrimental (because it's really beautiful at the moment). The controls will only be further refined, so we don't have to worry about those. The only worry at this point is an alteration to the known storyline/setting thus far, and even if that changed, it doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. I think what they have going is really strong and should just stick with it.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Link's design here reminds me of his art in the first Legend of Zelda game.

Probably because he's not wearing his white leggings.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

Is he carrying a ladder behind his shield?

I know he carries a lot of crap for nearly any situation, but I don't think he's that short for one.

 

[Tacel]

Is he carrying a ladder behind his shield?

I know he carries a lot of crap for nearly any situation, but I don't think he's that short for one.

It's actually a stepladder. In the Legend of Zelda, it's used to walk across water from one bit if land to another.

 

[Pokemon Trainer1]

"Zelda Wii Disucssion"
The title is misspelled.

Anyways, I'd like to see how this turns out. It'd be pretty cool if this really was OoT Link, but I wouldn't bet on it being him.

Haven't you watched any of the trailers? Yes it is Ocarina of Time Link!

 

[finalark]

Haven't you watched any of the trailers? Yes it is Ocarina of Time Link!

lol quoting a post from the start of the thread.

And I'm pretty sure that SWS Link is a completely different guy from the one who was running around in OoT.

EDIT:

Speaking of quotes from the start of the thread:

I really want Link to move his arm just like the player in this game.

It looks like Frown got his wish.

 

[Alzi]

I am loving this games graphics and art style. Cannot wait until it comes out.

 

[Chico113]

Huh? i thought oot Link was the original..... so the person you play as in Skyward sword might not be Link at all????? The Zelda series just keep getting confusing.

and can you guys stop judging the game by its graphic? back then in the 90s, people were amazed at the N64 graphics but now they think it is ugly. they wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't for gamecube/Playstation 2/Xbox *facepalm*

 

[libertyernie]

Skyward Sword is before OoT, just like how OoT was before LttP.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

Huh? i thought oot Link was the original..... so the person you play as in Skyward sword might not be Link at all????? The Zelda series just keep getting confusing.

and can you guys stop judging the game by its graphic? back then in the 90s, people were amazed at the N64 graphics but now they think it is ugly. they wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't for gamecube/Playstation 2/Xbox *facepalm*

When have we been complaining? Mostly everyone who's posted here thinks the graphical style is alright, including me.

 

[Luigitoilet]

And at this point there still isn't that much to talk about besides the graphics anyways.

 

[finalark]

and can you guys stop judging the game by its graphic? back then in the 90s, people were amazed at the N64 graphics but now they think it is ugly. they wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't for gamecube/Playstation 2/Xbox *facepalm*

People aren't complaining about the quality of the graphics, they're complaining about the style.

And fanboys will be fanboys, you can't stop them from going berserk and considering their "beloved" franchise dead just because they aren't getting what they want. I swear, they're like a spoiled kid who gets an Xbox for his birthday but starts screaming at his Mom because it isn't the slim model.

And as TL said, right now there isn't much to to talk about besides graphics due to limited information.

 

[Luigitoilet]

So when do you think we'll hear anything more substantial about this game? Is there any kind of conference where they might reveal more stuff? They're aiming for a Q1 2011 release so I hope we hear something soon.

 

[finalark]

So when do you think we'll hear anything more substantial about this game? Is there any kind of conference where they might reveal more stuff? They're aiming for a Q1 2011 release so I hope we hear something soon.

I remember hearing that Nintendo Power is going to have a huge article on the game, but that's just something I heard. I have no idea if there is any truth behind it. For conferences, your best bet would probably be the Tokyo Game Show.

 

[Ganonsburg]

So when do you think we'll hear anything more substantial about this game? Is there any kind of conference where they might reveal more stuff? They're aiming for a Q1 2011 release so I hope we hear something soon.

Aren't they normally very secretive about a lot of the info?

 

[Luigitoilet]

Aren't they normally very secretive about a lot of the info?

Well yeah, but look at how much we knew about TP before that came out. A helluva lot more than we do about this game. I don't mind that much, I'm just getting antsy for more Zelda :F

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

and can you guys stop judging the game by its graphic? back then in the 90s, people were amazed at the N64 graphics but now they think it is ugly. they wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't for gamecube/Playstation 2/Xbox *facepalm*

I haven't seen anyone complaining about polygon count, screen resolution, or anything of the like. I have beef with the choice of art style. I prefer the dark realism that TP introduced.

People aren't complaining about the quality of the graphics, they're complaining about the style.

And fanboys will be fanboys, you can't stop them from going berserk and considering their "beloved" franchise dead just because they aren't getting what they want. I swear, they're like a spoiled kid who gets an Xbox for his birthday but starts screaming at his Mom because it isn't the slim model.

And as TL said, right now there isn't much to to talk about besides graphics due to limited information.

Yes, because Nintendo can do no wrong, and people are not allowed to have an opinion. I like how you think I have long since abandoned the thread so you can indirectly mock me and those who share my views on the art style and gameplay. Knock it off.

 

[Tacel]

People aren't complaining about the quality of the graphics, they're complaining about the style.

And fanboys will be fanboys, you can't stop them from going berserk and considering their "beloved" franchise dead just because they aren't getting what they want. I swear, they're like a spoiled kid who gets an Xbox for his birthday but starts screaming at his Mom because it isn't the slim model.

And as TL said, right now there isn't much to to talk about besides graphics due to limited information.

Yes. I hate when people hate the entire game JUST because it's not perfect in their eyes, and they complain instead of rejoicing for the positive things. It just irritates me to no extent.
Like how people hate on the art style because it's different and not what they want. Well, we wouldn't have had Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, or Twilight Princess art style without change.
They'll grow to like it. I do except if people don't like it, though, just please don't fuss about it and act like it's the end of the world and/or series. It's the graphics, not the gameplay or storyline.

I for one love the art style. It's different and gives the game uniqueness. One of the reasons why I'm excited for this game is because I want to see Hyrule in this new art style. It's beautiful.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Yes. I hate when people hate the entire game JUST because it's not perfect in their eyes, and they complain instead of rejoicing for the positive things. It just irritates me to no extent.
Like how people hate on the art style because it's different and not what they want. Well, we wouldn't have had Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, or Twilight Princess art style without change.
They'll grow to like it. I do except if people don't like it, though, just please don't fuss about it and act like it's the end of the world and/or series. It's the graphics, not the gameplay or storyline.

I for one love the art style. It's different and gives the game uniqueness. One of the reasons why I'm excited for this game is because I want to see Hyrule in this new art style. It's beautiful.

I'll wait until I play the dungeons before I declare official hatred for the game, but frankly, I don't care what you think. Just as you are annoyed with people who hate the whole game due to the graphics or whatever, I am annoyed with people who are endlessly enamored with the game just because it is Zelda. There's nothing wrong with wanting the game to be a particular way. Besides, if you read earlier in this thread, you'd see that gameplay is also a problem. The 1:1 controls don't make for a better game. Sorry, but it just doesn't. I want precision and selection, not the childhood fantasy of wielding a sword and shield.

 

[Luigitoilet]

come on dude, we already went through this crap and you're doing it again.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

BuzzSaw, nobody mentioned your name.

 

[finalark]

Yes, because Nintendo can do no wrong, and people are not allowed to have an opinion. I like how you think I have long since abandoned the thread so you can indirectly mock me and those who share my views on the art style and gameplay. Knock it off.

Buzz, relax. Yes, Nintendo has screwed up and done several things wrong in the past (The Virtual Boy, the Game Boy Micro, ignoring "core" gaming for the first few years of the Wii's lifespan), yes you can have your own opinion. But it is just ridiculous when people declare an entire franchise dead just because they dislike the way the graphics look in one of the games. I can understand disliking a graphical style but saying that the whole game is going to blow just because how it looks is stupid and immature. I'm not saying that you or anybody else is wrong for disliking the graphics or not being particularly impressed at first glance. What I'm saying is that it's stupid to say that an entire franchise that has been around ever since 1986 is going to die based off of some early footage and a test area that probably isn't even going to be in the final game.

So look, all you did was took me letting off some steam and blew it out of proportion by assuming that I was directly attacking you.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

come on dude, we already went through this crap and you're doing it again.

Honestly, it's like people wait for me to leave and then talk about those obscure Zelda haters (really only me in this thread) and then act surprised when "they" return. I'm not coming for the purpose of stirring up trouble. I'm coming to, once again, address these positions that people reiterate over and over. I'm not the only one "doing it again".

BuzzSaw, nobody mentioned your name.

Correct... but care to name the others in the opposition?

Buzz, relax. Yes, Nintendo has screwed up and done several things wrong in the past (The Virtual Boy, the Game Boy Micro, ignoring "core" gaming for the first few years of the Wii's lifespan), yes you can have your own opinion. But it is just ridiculous when people declare an entire franchise dead just because they dislike the way the graphics look in one of the games. I can understand disliking a graphical style but saying that the whole game is going to blow just because how it looks is stupid and immature. I'm not saying that you or anybody else is wrong for disliking the graphics or not being particularly impressed at first glance. What I'm saying is that it's stupid to say that an entire franchise that has been around ever since 1986 is going to die based off of some early footage and a test area that probably isn't even going to be in the final game.

So look, all you did was took me letting off some steam and blew it out of proportion by assuming that I was directly attacking you.

So, you've forgotten our previous discussion and pigeonholed me already into the group that says "bad graphics == bad game". I have issue with the gameplay as well. I can easily push past a graphics style I don't like, but mix it with a control scheme I don't like, and I'm fairly certain there certain problems that will arise. And I only ever said the series was "dead to me". I made no implications about the game becoming less popular, suffering from lower sales, etc. etc.

And again, you all act like you're addressing a mythical group of haters, but I'm like the only one with problems with this game. Correct me if I'm wrong. Have other haters entered the thread whom I was unaware of? I really do apologize if it seems I "dived into the bullet's path", but I really don't see who else agrees with my position.

 

[finalark]

So, you've forgotten our previous discussion and pigeonholed me already into the group that says "bad graphics == bad game".

I wasn't addressing you. Please stop assuming so.

I have issue with the gameplay as well. I can easily push past a graphics style I don't like, but mix it with a control scheme I don't like, and I'm fairly certain there certain problems that will arise. And I only ever said the series was "dead to me". I made no implications about the game becoming less popular, suffering from lower sales, etc. etc.

I get it, you don't like the idea of 1:1 motion because you didn't like it in Wii Sports. I get that, I was kind of wary of it at first too but after hearing everyone who tried it at E3 say that it works great my worry was gone. On the second half, you got me there but I wasn't only referring to you.

And again, you all act like you're addressing a mythical group of haters, but I'm like the only one with problems with this game.

Trust me, you're not the only one.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Have other haters entered the thread whom I was unaware of? I really do apologize if it seems I "dived into the bullet's path", but I really don't see who else agrees with my position.

Well if you go back to the pages from when the game was first announced you'll see that there's a number of people who don't like it. But you should keep in mind that there are Zelda fans outside of SWF.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I wasn't addressing you. Please stop assuming so.

K. My bad.

I get it, you don't like the idea of 1:1 motion because you didn't like it in Wii Sports. I get that, I was kind of wary of it at first too but after hearing everyone who tried it at E3 say that it works great my worry was gone. On the second half, you got me there but I wasn't only referring to you.

We'll just have to see when the game is in our hands. I'm just more of a classical player of the game. Personally, I was happy with the way they continually refined the standardized sword + tool control scheme mixed with Z-targeting. The introduction of sword angles just makes me cringe so far...

Trust me, you're not the only one.

I'm sure they exist. I just can't seem to find any of 'em.

Well if you go back to the pages from when the game was first announced you'll see that there's a number of people who don't like it. But you should keep in mind that there are Zelda fans outside of SWF.

Yeah, I'm a little afraid of starting a tirade on Zelda Universe. The instant anything becomes heated, the moderators there just start deleting posts in huge quantities.

 

[Luigitoilet]

That's a lot better Buzz. I think the issue most people took with your initial posts was the inclusion of melodromatic, hyperbolic statements like "Zelda is dead to me now" or whatever it was. I, for one, am not offended that you don't think the game looks great. It's just the tone of your post was a little ridiculous.

 

[finalark]

We'll just have to see when the game is in our hands. I'm just more of a classical player of the game. Personally, I was happy with the way they continually refined the standardized sword + tool control scheme mixed with Z-targeting. The introduction of sword angles just makes me cringe so far...

I'm personally kind of excited for this, it looks like they're keeping targeting in but we'll have to wait and see.

I'm sure they exist. I just can't seem to find any of 'em.

Really? Because I can't seem to get them to leave me alone.

Yeah, I'm a little afraid of starting a tirade on Zelda Universe. The instant anything becomes heated, the moderators there just start deleting posts in huge quantities.

Well that takes away the fun of a debate.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

That's a lot better Buzz. I think the issue most people took with your initial posts was the inclusion of melodromatic, hyperbolic statements like "Zelda is dead to me now" or whatever it was. I, for one, am not offended that you don't think the game looks great. It's just the tone of your post was a little ridiculous.

Zelda is my life. I have posters on my wall. If there is a chance of the series being ruined for me, I'm going to become melodramatic!