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The Japanese Ledge Grab rule

Melomaniacal

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"In the victory/defeat screen after the match, you can check the stats to see how many times each player grabbed the ledge. If someone accuses the other of excessively planking/ledge stalling, you simply need to check the end stats."

Just helping out. :laugh:
 

DrGonzoPhD

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I seriously think planking is obvious enough and gay enough to be able to be a bannable and enforceable offense. Seems silly to put a definite number on the amount of ledge grabs you can do.
 

Melomaniacal

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Yea but if you want to NOT get DQed.

You HAVE to keep count yourself.

There isn't a counter on the screen DURING gameplay.
That's kind of the point, to discourage people from planking. Since there is no counter in-match, you'll probably plank less to avoid the risk of doing it to much. Working as intended.
 

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Yea but there are lots of consequences for this rule.

What if you use the edge to edgeguard? What about edgeguard attempts?

What if you get hit off the stage because of your shield gets hit near the edge?

Limiting the amount of times you can grab the edge doesn't just affect ledgestalling.
 

Melomaniacal

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Yea but there are lots of consequences for this rule.

What if you use the edge to edgeguard? What about edgeguard attempts?

What if you get hit off the stage because of your shield gets hit near the edge?

Limiting the amount of times you can grab the edge doesn't just affect ledgestalling.
70 is plenty enough to use the edge for edgeguarding/recovering/maybe even a little planking. For a 7-8 minute (MAXIMUM) match, 70 is a large number.
 

Plairnkk

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7 minute time limit= 420 seconds, 70 grabs would mean every 6-7 seconds you would grab the ledge. There is no way to reach that unless you're intentionally abusing the game mechanics and hanging on the ledge all match.

It doesn't even matter if this is enforced to me, as I will always be one step ahead of the system in finding new gay things to abuse.
 

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7 minute time limit= 420 seconds, 70 grabs would mean every 6-7 seconds you would grab the ledge. There is no way to reach that unless you're intentionally abusing the game mechanics and hanging on the ledge all match.

It doesn't even matter if this is enforced to me, as I will always be one step ahead of the system in finding new gay things to abuse.
As in throwing people off the stage with characters that can CG so they grab it 70 times?

Because even if you lose the match you still win?

You probably don't have to play someone who can CG. You just have to play near the edge lol
 

Pyronic_Star

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this rule sounds promising, but 70.. can plank even grab the ledge that many times in a match? lol

@plank
maybe, just maybe u can try not to be gay :p although, dare i say it, u haven't been planking md/va in a while haha
 

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7 minute time limit= 420 seconds, 70 grabs would mean every 6-7 seconds you would grab the ledge. There is no way to reach that unless you're intentionally abusing the game mechanics and hanging on the ledge all match.

It doesn't even matter if this is enforced to me, as I will always be one step ahead of the system in finding new gay things to abuse.
That last sentence is almost siggable
 

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It doesn't even matter if this is enforced to me, as I will always be one step ahead of the system in finding new gay things to abuse.
If nobody sigs it I will.


Whoever made the first post should quote some of the arguements/counterarguements made in this thread, because people keep on bringing up the same old points simply because they're not reading.

People have already done testing as far as the number of times you can reasonable grab the edge per stock.

Most people only grab the edge about 10 times per stock. In order to be D/Qed you'd be grabbing the edge 20+ times per stock....which is IMPOSSIBLE unless you're planking. Even casual ledge planking wont be enough for you to exceed this rule. It's only "HEY GUIZ IM FINNA RUN THE TIMER ON YOU" planking that'll exceed 70, which is what the rule is trying to prevent....
 

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Lol @ Someone asking Plank not to play gay in brawl.

I thought it was obvious he hates the game and just loves showing HOW gay it can be.
 

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I don't see many good counter points being made, most of them are "this is stupid, you're stupid" . Step it up guys, this is a discussion no TO is actually going to make this an official rule...yet.
 

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I don't see many good counter points being made, most of them are "this is stupid, you're stupid" . Step it up guys, this is a discussion no TO is actually going to make this an official rule...yet.
Go back to the first 5 or so pages before people started flaming. >_>
 

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Go back to the first 5 or so pages before people started flaming. >_>
I've been reading, thats why I said I don't see many. There is a few good counter points, everything else is just silly. At the very least this should be tested in a small tourney to get some data to see if 70 is a good number or if this rule is even worth it.
 

Plairnkk

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The rule is worth it for the average mediocre player who attempts to Plank just to win, but as for me I will have no problem still being gay and keeping my lead with a 70 ledge grab limit =)
 

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Which is partly why I like this rule plank. It allows "planking" as a viable tactic TO A DEGREE but prevents planking as a viable tactic for the entirely of the game.
 

fkacyan

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The rule is worth it for the average mediocre player who attempts to Plank just to win, but as for me I will have no problem still being gay and keeping my lead with a 70 ledge grab limit =)
We're not worried about you, we're worried about people who hit once and try to hold the edge the entire game.

There are several characters who are hard to punish / impossible to punish on the edge. ZSS can drop -> downB and never lose invincibility frames, for example.
 

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We're not worried about you, we're worried about people who hit once and try to hold the edge the entire game.

There are several characters who are hard to punish / impossible to punish on the edge. ZSS can drop -> downB and never lose invincibility frames, for example.
Its not hard to tell when someone is doing this...a rule like this is not required. IMHO

simply have the Judge know Planking is illegal..end of problem xP
 

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Its not hard to tell when someone is doing this...a rule like this is not required. IMHO

simply have the Judge know Planking is illegal..end of problem xP
Except that obviously doesn't/can't always happen. This rule is far easier to enforce and doesn't require hiring people who will all have different definitions of planking.....
 

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I think we're gonna use this rule @ Brawl "'Til you fall" with a 10 ledge grab limit
















































j/k
 

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As in throwing people off the stage with characters that can CG so they grab it 70 times?

Because even if you lose the match you still win?

You probably don't have to play someone who can CG. You just have to play near the edge lol
Didn't they say that this only applies if the timer runs out?

Besides, if someone gets consistently CGed off of the level so many times, they probably deserve to lose.
 

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I like the puerto rican rule better.

If your opponent is onstage and you grab the ledge 5 times in a row without touching ground or getting hit (opponent has to be onstage so you can edgeguard using the ledge) then you lose. or if you don't lose, that can at least be actual criteria for if someone is planking/ledgecamping after a judge gets called over.
 

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If your getting grabbed every 6 seconds, than it sounds like ur losing horribly and the match isnt gonna go to the timer
 

fkacyan

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Its not hard to tell when someone is doing this...a rule like this is not required. IMHO

simply have the Judge know Planking is illegal..end of problem xP
You intend to have the judge watch each and every match?
 

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I like the puerto rican rule better.

If your opponent is onstage and you grab the ledge 5 times in a row without touching ground or getting hit (opponent has to be onstage so you can edgeguard using the ledge) then you lose. or if you don't lose, that can at least be actual criteria for if someone is planking/ledgecamping after a judge gets called over.
I don't like it. Whenever I'm playing a Marth, I like upbing several times just to see an opening on his side.

What if I'm at a high percent and I'm on my forth grab?

umm... why is this thread still open. It's utterly pointless.
Because some people are considering it.
 

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Saying "you can grab the ledge 5 times before you must touch the stage" is stupid, because it limits the person on the edges options. What if their opponent is pressuring them hardcore. The 70 rule gives you some leeway to decide how you use yoru 70 count (and reaching it is completely unreasonable unless you're planking anyway).

Even having a judge come over and tell you to get back onto the stage isn't necessarily fair because it's too specific per scenario.
 

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The 5 rule has the same problem as "no planking". If no judge is watching your match and the opponent does 6 edge grabs and you call him on it, and then he says "OMG NO I DID 5 EDGE GRABS" then who are you going to believe. At the end of the day it is tedious/hard to enforce and that is the problem we are trying to solve with a very easy to enforce rule.
 

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Well, it wouldn't really count as stalling, would it? It's edge guarding.

I use all kinds of tether tricksies with Sheik on Norfair. Haha, but it's not really stalling... it actually makes matches go faster for me :p so I don't think it'd be that big a problem.

Unless of course, some scrub wanted to enforce it on me (because I ***** him on Norfair hahahah.)
 

Shigen

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I really dislike this rule. I play Link, and use Zair alot, to recover, avoid spikes, and edgehog. I would probably go over in quite a few legitimate matches, and it would piss me off if that cost me a match.
 

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instead of theorizing that some number is far too low and would tread on your legitimate games, start noting your ending edge grab total after each game for a while... you cam see for yourself what are reasonable numbers and what aren't
 
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