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The Imperial Legion, MD/VA crew. Xanadu Tuesdays, Legionary Wednesdays
- Thread starter JCaesar
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Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
Armamentalist is the class you're looking for then. It's one of the advanced classes, but the quest to unlock it (and the Gladiator) are availible as soon as you can change classes. In the abby, talk to the Musketeer-looking fellow for the Armamentalist quest. The mission afterwards given from the same guy gets you the class' unique clothing, which are some of the coolest in the game.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Well if by "jack of all trades" you mean decent melee and spellcaster/support, then your options are
Minstrel - mediocre stats all around but can do everything
Thief - good agility, decent attack, mediocre healing, no offensive magic
Armamentalist - decent attack, best support spells, no healing, no offensive magic
Paladin - decent attack, good support and healing, extremely tough, no offensive magic
Ranger - like a better thief, except a bit weaker attack and agility iirc
Luminary - **** stats and difficult to unlock
Honestly the best way to be a jack of all trades is to level up and put skill points into every available class. Every class has something worth getting (well, except mage) and every class can use every skill you've unlocked.
Minstrel - mediocre stats all around but can do everything
Thief - good agility, decent attack, mediocre healing, no offensive magic
Armamentalist - decent attack, best support spells, no healing, no offensive magic
Paladin - decent attack, good support and healing, extremely tough, no offensive magic
Ranger - like a better thief, except a bit weaker attack and agility iirc
Luminary - **** stats and difficult to unlock
Honestly the best way to be a jack of all trades is to level up and put skill points into every available class. Every class has something worth getting (well, except mage) and every class can use every skill you've unlocked.
so wait. if i unlock a skill only seen as a thief, and then i go to soilder, i have those skills avaliable?
****.
also, Gonna go paladin. i dont need offensive magic since I have mage on the team. :V
Minstrel's meh is my main issue with him lol.
maybe after (if i can) max out all other skills, it'd be worth it.
can you max out all skills? or do you reach level cap before that happens?
****.
also, Gonna go paladin. i dont need offensive magic since I have mage on the team. :V
Minstrel's meh is my main issue with him lol.
maybe after (if i can) max out all other skills, it'd be worth it.
can you max out all skills? or do you reach level cap before that happens?
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Level cap is 99 and iirc you get about 200 skill points total from that, but you can revocate which starts you back at level 1 with all skills intact so you can level up again and get even more skill points (not to mention you can get skill points from every class, so that's ~1400 skill points without even needing to revocate). Revocation has some other benefits though. For example, the only way to get the best accessory in the game is by revocating a level 99 martial artist.
And no, minstrel is never worth it. His stats are too ****ty.
And no, minstrel is never worth it. His stats are too ****ty.
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
The post game pretty much is the game. The actual story is like a giant tutorial.
cmart
Smash Lord
Yeah we've got another one!!
Still haven't finished the story, I should work on that tonight
Still haven't finished the story, I should work on that tonight
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Yes, there really is that much content in DQ9. I'm 300 hours in and there's still a ton left to do.
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
Yes.
Also Volcarona is a G. Only reason why I win any battles in the Battle Subway (since the rest of my team are just in-game pieces of ****
).
metalmonstar
Smash Lord
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Yes, I have dragon quest 9. I used to have two copies but my DS went missing with one of the copies. I haven't played since really. My fiancee also has a copy and she is at Upover now.
I am not a big fan of skill barriers. In order to compete in Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon you had to have max level characters as well as having done some RNG abuse. However there is a difference between RPG barriers and fighting game skill barriers. L canceling is what I would consider a tech barrier for Melee. Being able to consistently perform it brough a sense of accomplishment to players. It could also be argued that is added depth to the game. I saw some good arguments as to why auto cancelling aerials and L cancelling is the same, but I am not sure where to stand. A lot of players really like the techy stuff.
I am not a big fan of skill barriers. In order to compete in Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon you had to have max level characters as well as having done some RNG abuse. However there is a difference between RPG barriers and fighting game skill barriers. L canceling is what I would consider a tech barrier for Melee. Being able to consistently perform it brough a sense of accomplishment to players. It could also be argued that is added depth to the game. I saw some good arguments as to why auto cancelling aerials and L cancelling is the same, but I am not sure where to stand. A lot of players really like the techy stuff.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Do your fiancee or any of your buddies have the Locker map? None of us do but I'd love to get my hands on it.
@Neko: This is easily the most time I've ever spent on an RPG (a single playthrough at least). And I barely even remember the main story.
ZOMG 2 characters in our postbit yay!
@Neko: This is easily the most time I've ever spent on an RPG (a single playthrough at least). And I barely even remember the main story.
ZOMG 2 characters in our postbit yay!
VanillaWaffle
Smash Apprentice
wrong wrong wrong, shadow dragon was easy. i beat it many times without max levels or rng abuse, only time that was necessary was hardest difficulty. solid strategy is all you need.
VanillaWaffle
Smash Apprentice
on the subject of ar codes and hacking abuse and whatnot...
ar hacking - useless for 90% of the populous. they check for these things at official tourneys, and with pokemon online, whats the point. why have hard copies of these pokes if you will never use them for anything? if you play online against random people well sure maybe, but seems pointless to me.
in game exploitations - the iv glitch one is annoying as hell yes, ive done it once and doubt ill ever do it again, also doubt ill ever raise another poke because i dont plan to go to any tourneys. raised 8 pokes in plat the hard way, grinding them all to 100, never again. raised 10 more with ar rare candy code.
ar hacking - useless for 90% of the populous. they check for these things at official tourneys, and with pokemon online, whats the point. why have hard copies of these pokes if you will never use them for anything? if you play online against random people well sure maybe, but seems pointless to me.
in game exploitations - the iv glitch one is annoying as hell yes, ive done it once and doubt ill ever do it again, also doubt ill ever raise another poke because i dont plan to go to any tourneys. raised 8 pokes in plat the hard way, grinding them all to 100, never again. raised 10 more with ar rare candy code.
TheTantalus
Smash Hero
I can hack them legit nate
Mow linked me up to a site that generates the proper pid's and the hidden id's
Mow linked me up to a site that generates the proper pid's and the hidden id's
D
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official tournaments are 2 vs 2 where perfect pokemon aren't necessary. in 1 vs 1 play you need perfect or at least flawless (pokemon with an IV of "x") to be competitive against the better players. however, nintendo doesn't do those anymore! there is absolutely no reason not to hack unless you're doing a nintendo sanctioned event. even if you are, it'd make your life easier to go on smogon and simply buy replicated ones for $5 a pop and save yourself a LOT of time.
if I could hack my pokemon, I would all day. the IV system being completely random and barely exploitable is a huge time/effort barrier to competitive play. competition shouldn't require 300 hours of grinding for a good team like I did last time around.
edit:
http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k206/UmbreonMow/
none of the pokemon or fire emblem stuff is hacked. for the curious, the mario picture of me flying underground isn't hacked either.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
So who's coming over this weekend? Definitely wanna do some smash and DQ9. I'm free all weekend and I believe Bandit is too (though it's hard to get a straight answer out of him).
TheTantalus
Smash Hero
I might have gf johns this weekend, for the first time in a long time. I'll keep you posted...
CountKaiser
Smash Lord
School has begun to kick my ***, and I may need to stay home to work on final papers/projects. I'll be sure if I can come over tomorrow.
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
I'm not coming because I have johns.
Pokemon johns.
Pokemon johns.
nah I'll be there on Sat. Going to see if QD wants to chill tonight though. I need landing detection though and I've purposefully haven't played P:M since LD was discovered. I'm going to be all kinds of awful.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Let's see how good you are without your precious techskill 
I wanna run some grottos toooo. I revocated my Pally again (and I'm gonna see if I can do it one more time tonight) so I should be getting some crazy high quality ones.
I wanna run some grottos toooo. I revocated my Pally again (and I'm gonna see if I can do it one more time tonight) so I should be getting some crazy high quality ones.
cmart
Smash Lord
I'm up for smash, dq9 (for the first time <.<), bww whatever. I too want to test the mettle of the rusty thunderhorse
VanillaWaffle
Smash Apprentice
may show up tomorrow, may not, really unsure atm.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Your friend has obviously never met Azen.
Burrrrrrn
Burrrrrrn
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
One of my friends said my Falco is getting technical.
like lie technical.
I felt proud.
like lie technical.
I felt proud.
your troll fu is weak.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
For you that would be an improvement
ZING!
ZING!
if you were Brawl technical, you'd be able to mash B faster XD
Lobos
Smash Master
TheTantalus
Smash Hero
Brawl is very technical
Melee was just moreso in that direction. Probably the most technical game ever, to be honest.
Melee was just moreso in that direction. Probably the most technical game ever, to be honest.
cmart
Smash Lord
wat
waaaaaaaaat
waaaaaaaaat
VanillaWaffle
Smash Apprentice
yeah ceez learn to mash it faster and harder, maybe than you could make it rise.
quinnydinny
Smash Cadet
^^ that's what she said.
VanillaWaffle
Smash Apprentice
i think taking a joke thats main purpose is sexual innuendo and adding "thats what she said" to it makes it a double negative or something, anyway the world just exploded.
Thunderhorse+
Smash Ace
Suggestion Kaiser.
Use Thunder Wave on Thundrus. I have been completely unable to stop sweeps from Pokemon that boost their speed like Metagross and Gyarados and most likely Volcarona as well. Thunder Wave would be the perfect solution to those kinds of situations, add team synergy by directly benefiting your slow *** team, and would take advantage of Prankster much better. Almost never have I found myself in a situation needing a priority Nasty Plot. I would either get the Nasty Plot off anyway by forcing a switch, or I would need to do as much damage as possible because if I don't then I'd die for nothing before I get a hit off with Nasty Plot'd stuff.
Still playtesting the team though. That is a definite issue though. Testing Thunder Wave > Nasty Plot right now.
EDIT: Also your team is hard countered by Starmie. Plz fix
EDIT #2: Hey I remember I had a log saved. It's not a GOOD log, but it's the only one I remembered to save just to see what would happen.
I hope you don't mind that I took some liberties with your nicknames
Use Thunder Wave on Thundrus. I have been completely unable to stop sweeps from Pokemon that boost their speed like Metagross and Gyarados and most likely Volcarona as well. Thunder Wave would be the perfect solution to those kinds of situations, add team synergy by directly benefiting your slow *** team, and would take advantage of Prankster much better. Almost never have I found myself in a situation needing a priority Nasty Plot. I would either get the Nasty Plot off anyway by forcing a switch, or I would need to do as much damage as possible because if I don't then I'd die for nothing before I get a hit off with Nasty Plot'd stuff.
Still playtesting the team though. That is a definite issue though. Testing Thunder Wave > Nasty Plot right now.
EDIT: Also your team is hard countered by Starmie. Plz fix
EDIT #2: Hey I remember I had a log saved. It's not a GOOD log, but it's the only one I remembered to save just to see what would happen.
Code:
Battle between GTFO and Thunderhorse started!
Tier: BW OU
Variation: +31, -48
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
Thunderhorse sent out [B]GoddamnitGuy[/B]! (Mienshao)
GTFO sent out [B]Celebi[/B]!
Start of turn 1
[B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] used Fake Out!
A critical hit!
The foe's [B]Celebi[/B] lost 34% of its health!
[B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] is hurt by its Life Orb!
The foe's [B]Celebi[/B] flinched!
Start of turn 2
[B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] used U-turn!
It's super effective!
The foe's [B]Celebi[/B] lost 65% of its health!
The foe's [B]Celebi[/B] fainted!
[B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] is hurt by its Life Orb!
Thunderhorse called [B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]UStupidNiggr[/B]! (Klinklang)
GTFO sent out [B]Forretress[/B]!
Start of turn 3
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] used Volt Switch!
The foe's [B]Forretress[/B] lost 15% of its health!
Thunderhorse called [B]UStupidNiggr[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]Oh Jaezus[/B]! (Hydreigon)
The foe's [B]Forretress[/B] used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Thunderhorse's team!
The foe's [B]Forretress[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 4
[B]Oh Jaezus[/B] used Flamethrower!
It's super effective!
The foe's [B]Forretress[/B] lost 90% of its health!
The foe's [B]Forretress[/B] fainted!
GTFO sent out Chandelure!
Start of turn 5
Thunderhorse called [B]Oh Jaezus[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]WellIDUNNO[/B]! (Reuniclus)
The foe's [B]Chandelure[/B] used Calm Mind!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Att. rose!
The foe's Chandelure's Sp. Def. rose!
Start of turn 6
The foe's [B]Chandelure[/B] used Shadow Ball!
It's super effective!
[B]WellIDUNNO[/B] lost 409 HP! (100% of its health)
[B]WellIDUNNO[/B] fainted!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]Oh Jaezus![/B] (Hydreigon)
Pointed stones dug into [B]Oh Jaezus![/B]
Start of turn 7
The foe's Chandelure used Shadow Ball!
It's not very effective...
[B]Oh Jaezus[/B] lost 133 HP! (39% of its health)
Oh Jaezus's Sp. Def. fell!
[B]Oh Jaezus[/B] used Dark Pulse!
It's super effective!
The foe's [B]Chandelure[/B] lost 100% of its health!
The foe's [B]Chandelure[/B] fainted!
GTFO: wrong move -.-
GTFO sent out Haxorus!
Start of turn 8
Thunderhorse called [B]Oh Jaezus[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]UStupidNiggr[/B]! (Klinklang)
Pointed stones dug into UStupidNiggr!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] used Dragon Claw!
It's not very effective...
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] lost 94 HP! (31% of its health)
The foe's Haxorus is hurt by its Life Orb!
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 9
Thunderhorse called [B]UStupidNiggr[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]UGonFnshThat[/B]! (Thundurus)
Pointed stones dug into UGonFnshThat!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Haxorus's Attack rose!
The foe's Haxorus's Speed rose!
Start of turn 10
[B]UGonFnshThat [/B]used Thunder Wave!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] is paralyzed! It can't move!
Start of turn 11
Thunderhorse called [B]UGonFnshThat[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]UStupidNiggr[/B]! (Klinklang)
Pointed stones dug into UStupidNiggr!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] used Dragon Claw!
It's not very effective...
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] lost 126 HP! (42% of its health)
The foe's Haxorus is hurt by its Life Orb!
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 12
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] used Gear Grind!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] lost 31% of its health!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] lost 29% of its health!
Hit 2 times!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] used Dragon Dance!
The foe's Haxorus's Attack rose!
The foe's Haxorus's Speed rose!
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 13
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] used Gear Grind!
The attack of UStupidNiggr missed!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
[B]UStupidNiggr[/B] lost 92 HP! (31% of its health)
UStupidNiggr fainted!
The foe's Haxorus is hurt by its Life Orb!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]GoddamnitGuy[/B]! (Mienshao)
Pointed stones dug into GoddamnitGuy!
Start of turn 14
[B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] used Fake Out!
The foe's [B]Haxorus[/B] lost 10% of its health!
The foe's Haxorus fainted!
GoddamnitGuy is hurt by its Life Orb!
GTFO sent out [B]Dusknoir[/B]!
The foe's Dusknoir is exerting its Pressure!
Start of turn 15
[B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] lost 13% of its health!
GoddamnitGuy is hurt by its Life Orb!
Thunderhorse called [B]GoddamnitGuy[/B] back!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]Count_Kiaser[/B]! (Conkeldurr)
Pointed stones dug into Count_Kiaser!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] used Shadow Punch!
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] lost 111 HP! (29% of its health)
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 16
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] used Payback!
It's super effective!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] lost 34% of its health!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] used Mean Look!
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] can no longer escape!
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 17
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] used Bulk Up!
Count_Kiaser's Attack rose!
Count_Kiaser's Defense rose!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] used Pain Split!
The battlers shared their pain!
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 18
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] used Bulk Up!
Count_Kiaser's Attack rose!
Count_Kiaser's Defense rose!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] used Earthquake!
A critical hit!
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] lost 244 HP! (64% of its health)
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 19
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] used Payback!
It's super effective!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] lost 76% of its health!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] used Earthquake!
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] lost 43 HP! (11% of its health)
[B]Count_Kiaser[/B] fainted!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Thunderhorse sent out [B]Oh Jaezus[/B]! (Hydreigon)
Pointed stones dug into Oh Jaezus!
Start of turn 20
[B]Oh Jaezus[/B] used Dark Pulse!
It's super effective!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] lost 23% of its health!
The foe's [B]Dusknoir[/B] fainted!
GTFO sent out [B]Archeops[/B]!
Start of turn 21
The foe's [B]Archeops[/B] used Agility!
The foe's Archeops's Speed sharply rose!
[B]Oh Jaezus[/B] used Dark Pulse!
The foe's [B]Archeops[/B] lost 100% of its health!
The foe's [B]Archeops[/B] fainted!
Thunderhorse won the battle!UStupidNggr was really being a stupid *#&$@ this match. The ONE match where he's ALMOST useful...and he misses Gear Grind. Goddamnit (Guy). And Oh Jaezus really lives up to its name. Not only in this match but in most every other match.