That doesn't answer the question ... why? Why bother doing it "legit" if there's an easier way that doesn't waste hours of your life on mindless tedium? I mean, when I go for the alchemiracles in DQ9, you can bet your *** I'm gonna use the Hoimi table. It may be "cheating" but at least I didn't waste hours of my life doing the same thing over and over and hoping for the random result I wanted.
Though there is a difference between Hoimi and using codes or glitches that may mess with the integrity of your game. Being a cartridge game, it is possible to permanently damage it. Does Pokemon have the equivalent of a Hoimi table? I assume that's what you meant by "RNG abuse."
You're right, the RNG abuse method is like the Hoimi table, but AR isn't really dangerous to your game at all. I've used one for Emerald and it worked great. There's 2 reasons why I do it:
1. I don't have an AR compatible with DS games. I mentioned using AR for Emerald, but that's a GBA game. I tried to get an AR for the DS, but it would always crash on me when I tried to enter codes manually, and its initial selection of codes were extremely subpar. I ended up just ARing whatever I could on Emerald and transferring it to Diamond, and I had to legit breed the rest...where I found out it wasn't actually too awful.
2. The RNG abuse method, if it's anything like the one in Diamond/Pearl, is unnecessarily difficult. I'm not against using in-game exploits. I've used the cloning glitch in Emerald to great effect! I abused the hell out of that ****. And while it was a bit more of a pain in the ***, I've used Diamond's GTS cloning trick as well. Both methods were relatively easy though. With the RNG abuse method, I had to do stupid **** like play a coin flipping minigame 30 some times, be EXACTLY on the ONE right tile ect. It sounded like a complete pain in the ***, and I heard RNG abuse in Black/White is much tougher to exploit. Sure it gets results instantly, but it's just as tedious as doing legit breeding in the sense that if you **** ONE thing up, you have to go back and do a whole laundry list of **** all over again.
Granted I don't know what the RNG abuse method is for Black/White seeing as how the coin flipping minigame isn't in it, but if it's tougher than Diamond/Pearl's, then no thank you.
I simply use codes to speed up the process, not to do anything illegal like spiritomb with Wonder Guard. Anything I can do with codes can be done without codes and with patience( EV training, IVs, Breeding, etc.).
The only thing I'd see codes necessary for is perhaps getting a pokemon with specific IVs to use a particular type of HP Ice.
I don't really care about people who use AR or RNG exploits. I've used them myself before. So I'm not really sure if you're trying to defend your actions to me or something, but you don't have to. I don't care if you or anyone else uses AR as long as it's legally possible to obtain in game
(and then some. Using the Pinch berries in Black/White or non-released DW Pokemon are ok with me even though at this point you can't obtain either in-game. Now Wonder Guard P2 on the other hand...).
People really consider the hoimi chart and locker to be cheating?
Using codes in order to get a team you want for pokemon is fine by me. All the grinding and breeding you have to do is like a barrier to players who don't have the time to invest in such a thing. The skill isn't in grinding and breeding, it is in team building and the actual battling. That is my take on it.
I mean, I totally agree that it's fine. It's only "cheating" in the sense that it's not the way the game is intended to be played. It's sorta like wavedashing in Melee. Casual or moral-high-ground players may whine about it but it definitively makes the game better at high levels. No different than using exploits or glitches to get what you want in an RPG like Pokemon or DQ9.
Couldn't have said it better myself...except L-canceling would be a better AT comparison
. WD and L-Canceling are seen as just technical barriers to people who don't have time to practice in the casual/Brawl player's mind. Doesn't mean people don't sit down and practice WDing and L-canceling.
Also where the **** did this "cheating is right or wrong" discussion come from? I just answered Count Kaiser's question of what codes I was going to use, and then this? I never implied once that I thought RNG abuse and AR were cheating/wrong/not ok ect, just that I wasn't doing either at all. Then Kaiser said I was more patient than he was, and I said that it was nothing like what I had to do before (and the example I chose had almost nothing to do with RNG other than using an item that could randomly make my monster lose life and sometimes not learning higher techniques...and I soft reset the **** out of that).
). The human characters are generally more well rounded, though apart from the jack-of-all-trades main character, they still do fit into pretty clear-cut classes.