The hero of Dragon Quest III, Erdrick, joins the battle!

[Teeb147]

The thing about Female Erdrick, I just realized, is that her looks as we know it comes from the SNES and GBC versions, yet she is also in the NES version, though her sprite is the same as that of male Erdrick, and this aligns with the text that never seems to realize she is a girl. So you never know, every time you see 'normal' Erdrick you could just be seeing NES version female Erdrick.

That's odd logic but it made me chuckle
There are a few lines where they refer to you as a girl, but then others as a guy. So,.. depends how you want to take it ;p
We can make up a story that she was raised as a guy, and maybe looks a bit masculine, with what's said.


I looked a bit and here's the contrasting things said when erdrick is a girl:


-Your mom refers to the hero as 'she' when dead.
-A kid in Reeve is surprised that the hero is a woman.
-There's dialogue about Ortega regretting leaving his 'daughter' behind.


- Still referred to as "son of ortega"
- Raised as a 'young lad'.
- Discussion at the beginning of the game implies a man (by the king).


There's probably more, but anyway it's interesting that there's both. The story we could make is that it's a girl but the king wanted so much a male successor that he raised her as a boy and so she grew up with that, which affected how she acts and dresses. Only applies for the NES version since it's fixed in others and you can have any personality, but still a fun thought

 

[volbound1700]

Erdick sounds like he is in. Kind of an odd pick for Nintendo when Geno and Sora are far more popular options available.

 

[Teeb147]

Erdick sounds like he is in. Kind of an odd pick for Nintendo when Geno and Sora are far more popular options available.

Not in Japan

 

[volbound1700]

Not in Japan

Perhaps... I thought Sora was big in Japan as well. Geno is known over there too. I don't really hate the choice, well other than it is another sword user but I don't blame DQ or Edrick for that but rather Nintendo's short-sightedness with their Fire Emblem reps. The FE series is known for the paper-rock-scissors aspect of having spear users, sword users, and axe users plus you have archers, mages, etc. To date, we have gotten all sword users with one mage/sword user hybrid. Why no axe or spear users?

 

[Teeb147]

Perhaps... I thought Sora was big in Japan as well. Geno is known over there too. I don't really hate the choice, well other than it is another sword user but I don't blame DQ or Edrick for that but rather Nintendo's short-sightedness with their Fire Emblem reps. The FE series is known for the paper-rock-scissors aspect of having spear users, sword users, and axe users plus you have archers, mages, etc. To date, we have gotten all sword users with one mage/sword user hybrid. Why no axe or spear users?

Dragon Quest is practically the biggest game in Japan. It's undeniably super big anyway.
Also, if we get Luminary as an alt costume, then we have both a retro character from it as well as a modern one.

It's also possible there'll be multiple weapons for a DQ hero since you can use any of them in game. Nomad Luminary is making a moveset that has other weapons on some attacks. you can check it out it's on the last page. I dont mind if it's just a sword user tho. There's bound to be interesting abilities.

 

[Deleted member]

Perhaps... I thought Sora was big in Japan as well. Geno is known over there too. I don't really hate the choice, well other than it is another sword user but I don't blame DQ or Edrick for that but rather Nintendo's short-sightedness with their Fire Emblem reps. The FE series is known for the paper-rock-scissors aspect of having spear users, sword users, and axe users plus you have archers, mages, etc. To date, we have gotten all sword users with one mage/sword user hybrid. Why no axe or spear users?

Timing mostly, the FE representation focuses on the main characters which are most frequently lords (Robin is a tactician but still a main character). And the only lords so far who use axe and lances came in between Brawl and Melee, but for Brawl they went woth Ike due to Sakurai wanting a character of his type.

Regarding popularity Sora is popular there as well, Geno is same situation as here that is known only in the smash circle. DQ as a franchise is pretty much the only one outside Nintendo franchises and MH to manage to top more than 2-3 million units nowadays. Not even KH nor FF do that anymore.

 

[volbound1700]

Dragon Quest is practically the biggest game in Japan. It's undeniably super big anyway.
Also, if we get Luminary as an alt costume, then we have both a retro character from it as well as a modern one.

It's also possible there'll be multiple weapons for a DQ hero since you can use any of them in game. Nomad Luminary is making a moveset that has other weapons on some attacks. you can check it out it's on the last page. I dont mind if it's just a sword user tho. There's bound to be interesting abilities.

Yeah, he probably will be unique in some of his moves. Link (3x) and Cloud are sword users but are unique as well. The FE characters kind of run together with the exception of Ike and Corrin which are vastly different. Granted Marth, Lucina, and Roy have differences but they are fairly similar as well.

 

[Deleted member]

I get that people are taking it as giving erdrick a super high chance, but even with a backstory, it still doesn't give him more credibility as he's only had one claim (cloud) before that, and we dont know much about his main source. We do know it was good enough to get cloud when no one else did, so yeah it's a big boost. I'm maybe at 70%. Which is still really good. I just really need for info to be rolling in i think. Dont let that stop you or others from being happy about high chances tho ;p

Erdrick is most likely next, just especially because the character makes most sense with 'brave'. And I think it'll definitely take less time from the reveal to being downloadable than joker because they have to work on multiple characters at a time to meet the 2020 timeline.

Well my logic was that we just knew nothing from Tansut's side. Popular (and frankly valid) reasons I saw to not take him seriously was because

1. He leaked Cloud just before his reveal while he's leaking Erdrick months in advance
2. Cloud was also his first leak to our knowledge so he doesn't have a consistency streak to reference. Therefore, we weren't sure if he was actually giving us good info or if he was just trying to stir the pot or seek glory prematurely.
3. He also just wasn't communicative of his side of things so these concerns never really could be answered by us. We weren't sure how reliable, honest, or decent of a human being he was.

Since he came out and explained everything, I think we're in a better position than when he kept silent. It answered these problems and cited that the same magnificent ******* who leaked Cloud leaked Erdrick. Combine this with Vergeben PM-ing Polar that most of his sources are saying Erdrick, and I'm solid on Erdrick as we get closer to a potential direct.

 

[Teeb147]

Well my logic was that we just knew nothing from Tansut's side. Popular reasons I saw to not take him seriously was because

1. He leaked Cloud just before his reveal while he's leaking Erdrick months in advance
2. Cloud was also his first leak to our knowledge so he doesn't have a consistency streak to reference. Therefore, we weren't sure if he was actually giving us good info or if he was just trying to stir the pot or seek glory prematurely.
3. He also just wasn't communicative of his side of things so these concerns never really could be answered by us. We weren't sure how reliable, honest, or decent of a human being he was.

Since he came out and explained everything, I think we're in a better position than when he kept silent. It answered these problems and cited that the same magnificent ******* who leaked Cloud leaked Erdrick. Combine this with Vergeben PM-ing Polar that most of his sources are saying Erdrick, and I'm solid on Erdrick as we get closer to a potential direct.

I agree, it's definitely a better position. It's just we can never fully trust leakers either. It's just a little cautiousness and openness. (on my part)
It's still looking really good right now

 

[NomadLuminary]

Perhaps... I thought Sora was big in Japan as well. Geno is known over there too. I don't really hate the choice, well other than it is another sword user but I don't blame DQ or Edrick for that but rather Nintendo's short-sightedness with their Fire Emblem reps. The FE series is known for the paper-rock-scissors aspect of having spear users, sword users, and axe users plus you have archers, mages, etc. To date, we have gotten all sword users with one mage/sword user hybrid. Why no axe or spear users?

Hey man if Erdrick gets in, its possible we will get a character that uses magic, swords, whips, spears and axes

 

[Deleted member]

>When tehponycorn forgets you when summoning the whole Erdrick gang

Hey man if Erdrick gets in, its possible we will get a character that uses magic, swords, whips, spears and axes

People just ignore that point, as much as we explain it.

 

[NomadLuminary]

>When tehponycorn forgets you when summoning the whole Erdrick gang
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People just ignore that point, as much as we explain it.

Yeah ive started to realize people kind of just say things without really doing their research.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah ive started to realize people kind of just say things without really doing their research.

And it is awkward when one of the two DQ Wikis directly lists on Erdrick’s page every weapon he uses.

 

[TheYungLink]

Someone summoned "the whole Erdrick gang" and didn't invite me?

How rude.

 

[NomadLuminary]

And it is awkward when one of the two DQ Wikis directly lists on Erdrick’s page every weapon he uses.

Dragon Quest is deceptively underappreciated when it comes to mechanics. Not only is the hero class the only one to utilize thunder magic, but also can do sword techniques and utilize multiple weapons. Like even if Erdrick isn't in the picture, you have Eight who uses multiple weapons as part of his tree and the Luminary who can wield greatswords and dual wield. This isn't a case by case thing either, that's part of his kit. Add that with the DQ staple of Tension and you got quite the unique character.

 

[Deleted member]

Someone summoned "the whole Erdrick gang" and didn't invite me?

How rude.

I suppose that the post was a joke, but yes.
They quoted many people here besides you and me, maybe a few more.

 

[Deleted member]

>When tehponycorn forgets you when summoning the whole Erdrick gang
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People just ignore that point, as much as we explain it.

You ignore me mate, honestly dont worry too much if people forget about. Its just kind of common when it happens.

 

[Deleted member]

You ignore me mate, honestly dont worry too much if people forget about. Its just kind of common when it happens.

Indeed. I don’t worry much about it, since people tend to forget some things without wanting to.

It’s natural, and I don’t find it wrong or bad.

 

[NomadLuminary]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oR6wfDGw8BrW_eCfeRkNn2iP27D_f1cELi_PfAG04cY/edit?usp=sharing

Updated Link to the Erdrick moveset

 

[perfectchaos83]

Well my logic was that we just knew nothing from Tansut's side. Popular (and frankly valid) reasons I saw to not take him seriously was because

1. He leaked Cloud just before his reveal while he's leaking Erdrick months in advance
2. Cloud was also his first leak to our knowledge so he doesn't have a consistency streak to reference. Therefore, we weren't sure if he was actually giving us good info or if he was just trying to stir the pot or seek glory prematurely.
3. He also just wasn't communicative of his side of things so these concerns never really could be answered by us. We weren't sure how reliable, honest, or decent of a human being he was.

Since he came out and explained everything, I think we're in a better position than when he kept silent. It answered these problems and cited that the same magnificent ******* who leaked Cloud leaked Erdrick. Combine this with Vergeben PM-ing Polar that most of his sources are saying Erdrick, and I'm solid on Erdrick as we get closer to a potential direct.

I think what really has Tansut coming out now is that Erdrick is already an open secret. He stayed quiet with Cloud because it literally never got out and the day before reveal he decided to tease a little bit.

 

[MAtgSy]

Erdick sounds like he is in. Kind of an odd pick for Nintendo when Geno and Sora are far more popular options available.

Sora has the Disney baggage, Nintendo needs approval from 2 companies to get him in. May not be worth the trouble. Also he comes from the Square side of Square-Enix, who held back the FF representation. Erick, coming from the Enix side, might actually have more spirits & music following him.

 

[Deleted member]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oR6wfDGw8BrW_eCfeRkNn2iP27D_f1cELi_PfAG04cY/edit?usp=sharing

Updated Link to the Erdrick moveset

I love how it is turning out!

 

[NomadLuminary]

Thanks. I'm trying to get as many ideas from the movesets I found as I can. Something that isnt too out of the ordinary.

 

[Deleted member]

Thanks. I'm trying to get as many ideas from the movesets I found as I can. Something that isnt too out of the ordinary.

Hopefully he ends up being pretty close to your ideas.

The alts and moveset you suggest are fantastic.

 

[NomadLuminary]

Hopefully he ends up being pretty close to your ideas.

The alts and moveset you suggest are fantastic.

Why thank you. I borrowed the menu idea from a user on this board, and I tried to emulate him in a way makes him at least a high tier pick. As for his colours, I made sure that it celebrates all of the console mainline colours.

I need to figure out his stage though

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

That twitter thread really didn't do any research. (Erdrick isn't important to the legacy of DQ, like what?)

There isn't a single point here that I think was actually researched and was an emotional attack on Erdrick because the guy doesn't want him.

 

[Deleted member]

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

Some things to note with the video:

-The twitter user doesn’t mention Vergeben or PolarPanda, insiders with a good track-record who also find Erdrick likely.
-Luminary is possibly Erdrick’s alt.
-If Cloud got in with all the license issues, then Erdrick could too. Besides, not every Dragon Quest media is involved with Toriyama (the new DQ5 movie is a good example).
-Sakurai seemingly likes DQ3 as much as P5, so it is possible that Erdrick could get in because of Sakurai’s interest.
-The numbers for the height will probably be changed.

Overall: the points brought up aren’t strong enough to deny Erdrick, and my stance on him hasn’t changed after watching the video.

 

[NomadLuminary]

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

Wow if it isnt a perfect example of what we were talking about in the square thread. Another case of no research, and knowledge of the leaks. Why am I not surprised.

 

[Deleted member]

Also, why people on Twitter who try to debunk or deny a character getting in always express themselves... In a rude way?

I mean, I get that they try to sound “experienced” and “serious” about the topic... But it just makes it more annoying to read, no matter who they are arguing about.

Can’t they just do it in a more pacific manner?

 

[Yatanagi]

Cloud was pricy till the point he got only his Spirits and 2 musics. Of course another character from Square branch with a clear up hand of Square to ask for a fortune is more likely to get in then a Enix branch character that did a lot of collabs and promotions of their franchise, specially recently, and is rumored to be asked by then to be in.

 

[Sari]

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

LOL at 13:51

"I said earlier that Dragon Quest III is one of Japan's most beloved JRPGs and Erdrick himself plays an important role in numerous DQ games... he's not important at all!"

Spoiler: DQXI

The fact that he reappears at the end of XI should say something about his significance to fans/the series.

I really hope that plot point wasn't meant to be too much of a surprise because I just got that spoiled from this video.

Also I'm gonna need a source on Akira Toriyama playing a role in the FighterZ shutdowns because I'm pretty sure he's just making stuff up (and regardless if it's true I seriously doubt that would affect Erdrick's chances).

EDIT: Also LOL at "he isn't on Smash polls so he must not be popular" when we've seen characters like Simon make it in due to popular demand despite not being on too many fan polls.

 

[Deleted member]

Joker wasn’t high on Smash Ultimate polls either.

And Slime could be applied to the moveset or as a stage element.

 

[Deleted member]

Perhaps... I thought Sora was big in Japan as well. Geno is known over there too. I don't really hate the choice, well other than it is another sword user but I don't blame DQ or Edrick for that but rather Nintendo's short-sightedness with their Fire Emblem reps. The FE series is known for the paper-rock-scissors aspect of having spear users, sword users, and axe users plus you have archers, mages, etc. To date, we have gotten all sword users with one mage/sword user hybrid. Why no axe or spear users?

If you really want to get a sense of just how big of a deal it is, here's a video of a news report on the lines to get DQ3 upon its release:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AezPcidAyWo

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

>Dragon Quest 3 is unimportant to its series
please i'm begging whoever this person is to do the tiniest amount of research

 

[NomadLuminary]

>Dragon Quest 3 is unimportant to its series

That's like saying Mario isn't a revolutionary concept. Or that Final Fantasy 7 wasn't a game changer.

Here's a quote from TVTropes:

"
Dragon Quest III was an outstanding success in Japan—so much so that people were actually being mugged on the street for their copy, something that just did not happen with video games back then. The insane amount of hype that led to these events wasn't totally unfounded though; while Dragon Quest II had introduced the concept of multiple-character parties to most players at the time, it was restrictive to the point that some people complained directly to Enix itself. In response to these outcries, Dragon Quest III introduced the Job System that would appear in various Dragon Quest games, allowing you to customize your party to some degree. You could also pick everyone's gender, meaning that if you wanted a team of Action Girls, nothing was stopping you… And female characters got to enjoy a few benefits barred to their male counterparts.

And thus, at this juncture, it needs to be emphasized, especially for our younger readers: Dragon Quest III is quite possibly the single most influential and important Japanese video game—not just RPG, but video game—ever made. Its vast popularity meant it was endlessly imitated or served as inspiration for other games and their mechanics, either to improve on or challenge parts of the design tenets it laid out; the influence of the game on the RPG, and even overall video game, industry in Japan is nearly impossible to overstate. And because of this and the game's general popularity, it has an outsized place in the Japanese cultural zeitgeist as a whole—when a piece of Japanese non-video-game media references RPGs, 99% of the time, it'll reference Dragon Quest III, even as of The New '10s, and of course other video games directly reference it all the time. The only other games that can really be argued to command remotely similar mindshare, both in game industry influence and cultural presence, are the original Super Mario Bros., the original Pokemon games, and more recently, Puzzle & Dragons—and even then, the latter two themselves owe more than a little to Dragon Quest.

In short, this is a tremendously important game, and if you're interested in the history and evolution of video games, you should probably be familiar with it.
"

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway, I wanted to share this video here to see what you think about it.

In my opinnion, this had better research and points than the other one. I liked it a lot.

 

[Rumble Red]

LOL at 13:51

"I said earlier that Dragon Quest III is one of Japan's most beloved JRPGs and Erdrick himself plays an important role in numerous DQ games... he's not important at all!"

Spoiler: DQXI

The fact that he reappears at the end of XI should say something about his significance to fans/the series.

I really hope that plot point wasn't meant to be too much of a surprise because I just got that spoiled from this video.

DQXI is full of allusions to DQIII and Erdrick (does this guy look familiar to anybody?), but that part in particular takes familiarity with the character from just adding an extra dimension to the story to actually being mandatory to even understand what's happening. I got curious and peeked at a couple of Let's Plays to see what first-timers were getting out of it, and there were some pretty wild misinterpretations of what was going on.

I genuinely think that even if promoting DQXI were the only factor, Erdrick would still be a better choice for Smash than the Luminary just so people can go into that game and pick up on the references.

Spoiler: DQXI

Though even knowing who Erdrick is probably won't stop people from assuming that Serenica is his mom.

 

[Namasura]

Not to shatter anyone's hopes but thought this would be interesting to show.

There is a lot of bad information on that video, wrong data, bias, things like that. I checked the twitter account who made those claims and yeah, the person is biased, they try to play it cool but its clear they twist things to be good for Persona and Kingdom Hearts and bad for Dragon Quest.

And the comments on that video... ugh. So toxic. I don't get Erdrick hate. I really don't. It's making me quite dispirited, to the point even if DQ is in all these YouTubers I watched acting as if Erdrick was "the worst case scenario" will sour it for me.

 

[NomadLuminary]

DQXI is full of allusions to DQIII and Erdrick (does this guy look familiar to anybody?), but that part in particular takes familiarity with the character from just adding an extra dimension to the story to actually being mandatory to even understand what's happening. I got curious and peeked at a couple of Let's Plays to see what first-timers were getting out of it, and there were some pretty wild misinterpretations of what was going on.

I genuinely think that even if promoting DQXI were the only factor, Erdrick would still be a better choice for Smash than the Luminary just so people can go into that game and pick up on the references.

Spoiler: DQXI

Though even knowing who Erdrick is probably won't stop people from assuming that Serenica is his mom.

Spoiler: DQ11

To be fair, that would be pretty cool even though it's unlikely. Pretty much makes Erdrick a super Luminary. But at the same time, I just love the idea that Erdrick trained to be as good as he is since the only hero in his time perished.

Also here is the link for the updated version of the Erdrick moveset template: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oR6wfDGw8BrW_eCfeRkNn2iP27D_f1cELi_PfAG04cY/edit?usp=sharing

"There is a lot of bad information on that video, wrong data, bias, things like that. I checked the twitter account who made those claims and yeah, the person is biased, they try to play it cool but its clear they twist things to be good for Persona and Kingdom Hearts and bad for Dragon Quest.

And the comments on that video... ugh. So toxic. I don't get Erdrick hate. I really don't. It's making me quite dispirited, to the point even if DQ is in all these YouTubers I watched acting as if Erdrick was "the worst case scenario" will sour it for me."

Hence my massive disgust by the lack of respect for the franchise that gave them those two game series in the first place arguably.

 

[Deleted member]

So, did you enjoy the video I shared?
While the title may be a bit extreme (nobody truly deserves to get in Smash over others, as much as I may want some characters), I felt like the video itself had a great research and knowledge behind it.