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The hero of Dragon Quest III, Erdrick, joins the battle!

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Ovaltine

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That's super cool artwork. Though I havent seen much actual hate towards him, unless poking fun at his hair counts lol
His hair is the worst and y'all know it :mad088: Luminary's cool, though. He just needs a shower.

... I just realized I got lost going to the Square thread, oops. That said, hey, Erdrick fans, y'all are cool. Here's some love from a Geno fan! Hopefully we both get our boys!
 

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I kind of wish the Luminary had ended up closer to the Rugged Poncho Man sketch that Toriyama was initially given, but I guess he really felt like doing something different.

He does look pretty good when he's dressed up like Erdwin, and the circlet makes his hair look less weird. I'd want that costume to be in Smash for sure. That or the Mardi Garb.
 
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Found this on Twitter. I love it!
I don’t get why Luninary gets the hate he does, even in Japanese forums, but I think he’s cool. Personally really excited for DQXIs. Haven’t played xi yet But the cast already grew on me before even knowing them.
Don't know what's to hate about the Luminary given I haven't played DQ 11 yet. If it comes to Smash Bros, though, I think Erdrick would be the cooler representative given his legacy and all.

PS: Cool drawing.
 
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I'm not a fan of luminary's design, there's a lot of other characters i like more. Maybe i'll feel differently when i finally do end up playing dq11. seems like a nice guy :p
 

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Weirdly, I actually like the Luminary's design quite a bit. It's very unique from the rest of the DQ Heroes and stands out.
 
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The only thing I don't like about Luminary's design is his hair. Looks to kept together for a guy tasked with saving the world. That hair ain't staying smooth and straight for long after a couple of battles.
 
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Just to copy what helloiamhere helloiamhere shared on the latest find, here's data that was found about joker's stage:


'Mementos' was the stage that the 5ch leak said Joker would have. So this can bode well for what was said about Erdrick. :)
 
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Just to copy what helloiamhere helloiamhere shared on the latest find, here's data that was found about joker's stage:


'Mementos' was the stage that the 5ch leak said Joker would have. So this can bode well for what was said about Erdrick. :)
It's interesting, but it feels like every leak that had Joker and Erdrick in it always guessed Mementos because it was the logical course of action. It doesn't shoot down the first 5chan leak, though, which is fine by me.
 

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I have no problems with Luminary, I just kinda prefer for older characters to get represented versus the latest one. I mean, getting DQ representation in Smash is already great, so anything is fine by me, but Erdrick really is my favorite pick if we are going with a hero.

Speaking of leaks, I saw some people speaking about how to first leak (Joker, Erdrick) used ロト (Roto) while the second, with Steve and Doomguy, used エルドリック (Erdrick)
 

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It's interesting, but it feels like every leak that had Joker and Erdrick in it always guessed Mementos because it was the logical course of action. It doesn't shoot down the first 5chan leak, though, which is fine by me.
I dont find it's that much of a clear-cut choice. There's plenty of more memorable and cool places.
And yeah at the very least, it still aligns with what was said :p
 
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It's interesting, but it feels like every leak that had Joker and Erdrick in it always guessed Mementos because it was the logical course of action. It doesn't shoot down the first 5chan leak, though, which is fine by me.
I don't recall any other leaks guessing Joker's stage would be Mementos. If so, did they come before or after the 5chan leak?

It could just be people copying the 5chan leak if they came afterwards.
 
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I don't recall any other leaks guessing Joker's stage would be Mementos. If so, did they come before or after the 5chan leak?

It could just be people copying the 5chan leak if they came afterwards.
Afterwards, admittedly. The one I recall immediately was that one 4chan leak that guessed 2.0.0 days before it was announced. It said Joker would have Mementos (and it also said we'd be getting a Yoshi Crafted World stage by now but that clearly hasn't happened). Good point though, I don't remember much leaks before 5chan that said Mementos.
 

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Afterwards, admittedly. The one I recall immediately was that one 4chan leak that guessed 2.0.0 days before it was announced. It said Joker would have Mementos (and it also said we'd be getting a Yoshi Crafted World stage by now but that clearly hasn't happened). Good point though, I don't remember much leaks before 5chan that said Mementos.
Two things:
-Crafted World could be a reward Stage for owning the game save file. And will be announced close to the game releases.
-Crafted World(sadly) was scrapped.
There's 6 missing stage slots after all.
 
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Two things:
-Crafted World could be a reward Stage for owning the game save file. And will be announced close to the game releases.
-Crafted World(sadly) was scrapped.
There's 6 missing stage slots after all.
If Crafted World is announced as a stage for Update 3.0.0, then I can believe that leak a little more. Evidently, they're saving their announcements for April. I don't doubt we're getting more stages beyond the fighter passes.
 
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I have no problems with Luminary, I just kinda prefer for older characters to get represented versus the latest one. I mean, getting DQ representation in Smash is already great, so anything is fine by me, but Erdrick really is my favorite pick if we are going with a hero.

Speaking of leaks, I saw some people speaking about how to first leak (Joker, Erdrick) used ロト (Roto) while the second, with Steve and Doomguy, used エルドリック (Erdrick)
Erdrick would come across more as a sincere retro pick, I think, whereas the Luminary would look much more like a cynical marketing move. There's enough Erdrick-related in DQXI and other recent games for him to be a relevant choice while still demonstrating that the franchise isn't some new thing that's being shoved in your face.

...I wonder how strange the name Erdrick must look to Japanese DQ fans. It's sure as heck not as simple and elegant as Roto when you spell it out in kana like that, but on the other hand it might not sound quite as dorky to them as it tends to to English speakers. DQI had a pretty good localization for its time, but I doubt anyone was sparing much thought for the legacy of the franchise when they came up with the name.

I still haven't played Persona 5, so I have no particular opinion about how obvious of a pick Mementos might be and whether that lends credence to anything. If that leak were legit, though, "Alefgard" gives us almost no information about what Erdrick's stage would actually be like. I'm sure it'd include the view from Tantegel to Charlock, that's pretty iconic, but beyond that it's a total blank slate.
 
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I've played Persona 5 and Mementos is as disappointing a stage choice as fans are telling you. It's decent, but the rest of the game offers more imaginative locales.

Mementos is based on a subway station, though, so maybe it will travel to those other locales I alluded to. I'm not holding my breath, though.
 

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I've played Persona 5 and Mementos is as disappointing a stage choice as fans are telling you. It's decent, but the rest of the game offers more imaginative locales.

Mementos is based on a subway station, though, so maybe it will travel to those other locales I alluded to. I'm not holding my breath, though.
My brother said that too(he loves Persona as much as I love DQ), but said that he understood why they would choose it. He said that almost all Persona games have a dungeon wheres the Reaper appears, with it's own desing and rules every game, and in P5 os Mementos. So it would be the most franchise-wise iconic place in the game that could be a stage, as the Velvet Room didn't provide that much of a creative liberty for the stage.
You could see that in Midgar, it shows well the
cyberpunk visuals that the latest Final Fantasy entries was used and have a Summon system, that is one of the most consistent gimmicks of the franchise. Even the Highwind or the LifeStream been more iconic battles locations in FFVII game.
 

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I've played Persona 5 and Mementos is as disappointing a stage choice as fans are telling you. It's decent, but the rest of the game offers more imaginative locales.

Mementos is based on a subway station, though, so maybe it will travel to those other locales I alluded to. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Isn't Momentos a location that represents the Persona series as a whole though?
 

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My brother said that too(he loves Persona as much as I love DQ), but said that he understood why they would choose it. He said that almost all Persona games have a dungeon wheres the Reaper appears, with it's own desing and rules every game, and in P5 os Mementos. So it would be the most franchise-wise iconic place in the game that could be a stage, as the Velvet Room didn't provide that much of a creative liberty for the stage.
You could see that in Midgar, it shows well the
cyberpunk visuals that the latest Final Fantasy entries was used and have a Summon system, that is one of the most consistent gimmicks of the franchise. Even the Highwind or the LifeStream been more iconic battles locations in FFVII game.
I'm not sure why you're trying to find ways for it to somehow fit well. There are much more iconic aspects to persona than the reaper, it's more like a secret boss. Second you can only fight the reaper in persona 4 on the second playthrough, and it's not about a 'place'. And last, you have to stay still in persona 5 for a couple minutes for it to come. and I don't think that can translate into smash. They might choose mementos because it's a large area in persona 5. but it's not really 'iconic' in any way.

They could've had midgard without the summon system. They added it for FF. Midgard is just iconic for FF7, and most final fantasies arent about cyberpunk at all. It makes a lot of sense for FF7. For persona, I still see it as just one of the choices they could've made.

Isn't Momentos a location that represents the Persona series as a whole though?
How?
 
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>hear that Mementos is boring
>look it up
>stylish as anything in Persona
If that's someone's idea of a boring stage idea, they don't know how lucky they have it, when series like Yoshi tend to get "green hill jungle stage #2465".

I know it's not a casino and all, though that is best saved for Sonic anyway. When they eventually get out of their Comfort Zone long enough to actually add someone new from that, that is.
 
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>hear that Mementos is boring
>look it up
>stylish as anything in Persona
If that's someone's idea of a boring stage idea, they don't know how lucky they have it, when series like Yoshi tend to get "green hill stage #2465".

I know it's not a casino and all, though that is best saved for Sonic anyway. When they eventually get out of their Comfort Zone long enough to actually add someone new from that, that is.
Could depend on the person. Mementos is a very large dungeon that's not really detailed like the other ones. It could be seen as boring in that you might see the same stuff over and over.
 

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I know it's not a casino and all, though that is best saved for Sonic anyway. When they eventually get out of their Comfort Zone long enough to actually add someone new from that, that is.
Windy Hill does double duty as redundant with Sonic's other stage in theme, and being added to promote a game that didn't have any staying power. The layout and everything is alright, but there's so much missed potential there. We coulda had Casino Night or Eggmanland or Space Colony ARK or Sweet Mountain or anything else.

I'd say Dragon Quest has about as much of a claim to being the Casino Series as Sonic does, though. How else are you gonna get that Gringham Whip and sleepwalk through the next 20 hours of the game by spamming Twin Dragon Lash?
 

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I'm going to transfer over yet another post with important info, because it's pretty good for erdrick :)

So if you fine chaps follow Vergeben still, you'll probably know that ZenythVidya posted a reddit private message three days ago from Vergeben. Here's the full post.



If you're too lazy, here's the image.


Star Fox Grand Prix is still an anomoly over how it started, but two things of note.

1) A new 2D Eshop Zelda game may be happening and that's what screwed with Vergeben's prediction. Another case of him having good info but crap guesses on what date they'll be shown.
2) He specifies two of his three good sources are saying Erdrick is without a doubt in plus many other smaller sources. He flat out admits he backs Erdrick now because of this + factors like Tansut.

Vergeben confirmed he sent this and will have more to say later.


Cool stuff so far. Seems they're trying to work out what's going on behind the scenes with the info they have.
So basically, we could say verge is at fault for what he said before, and there's a lot of key sources and even other sources saying it's Erdrick.
 
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I'm going to transfer over yet another post with important info, because it's pretty good for erdrick :)



So basically, we could say verge is at fault for what he said before, and there's a lot of key sources and even other sources saying it's Erdrick.
Honestly with more and more info coming out about Erdrick plus the Mementos datamine backing the 5ch leak I'd be incredibly surprised at this point if it was all an elaborate ruse, lol.
Though I'm not going to commit 100% to them yet I'm feeling very hopeful.
 
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Honestly with more and more info coming out about Erdrick plus the Mementos datamine backing the 5ch leak I'd be incredibly surprised at this point if it was all an elaborate ruse, lol.
Though I'm not going to commit 100% to them yet I'm feeling very hopeful.
Agree with you. Its hopeful I think about Erdrick's chances, but with the whole SF:GP fiasco one can never be so sure.
 

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Honestly with more and more info coming out about Erdrick plus the Mementos datamine backing the 5ch leak I'd be incredibly surprised at this point if it was all an elaborate ruse, lol.
Though I'm not going to commit 100% to them yet I'm feeling very hopeful.
Hopeful yeah. It's hard for me to believe anything, but it's looking good :)
I wonder when nintendo wants to make the next reveal.
 
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I'm going to transfer over yet another post with important info, because it's pretty good for erdrick :)

So basically, we could say verge is at fault for what he said before, and there's a lot of key sources and even other sources saying it's Erdrick.
I'm pretty relieved about this message because it clarifies that Vergeben is still supporting Erdrick after the February direct, which is what I was most nervous about after it. (The PM was sent on 2/18/2019; direct was on 2/13/2019.) Not only that, but it expands upon why he's backing Erdrick, and it's looking good. When virtually almost all of your sources are saying it's Erdrick, what else can we say? I'm at like 90% and any more specific details like this help bumps his chances by one integer.

That and the 5chan leak still holding ground to this day with even more backing it than before. Add Tansut I can't see anything but Erdrick. The Grinch leak had everything going for it minus insider info. Erdrick has literally everything going for him. The stars are aligned, fellas.

I'm fairly certain the reason why every insider is able to get Erdrick info now is because everyone is expecting a Square rep thanks to Vergeben, Tansut, and Geno hype. There would be more people looking into it, especially since Geno was a hot topic during Ultimate's hype cycle. Compare this to Joker in which literally no one expected an Atlus or Sega newcomer, and we can see why everyone is finding out about Erdrick but not about Sega. If it's leakbait, I'd be shocked because not only is Nintendo doing more western DQ marketing as is to promote the series, but they would have to also write out actual in-game code implying Brave/Yuusha, fool all insiders including Vergeben and Tansut, and have a 5chan leak predicting Persona 5R would be announced.

E: Joker technically wasn't being worked on around the time of his reveal too. Remember how Piranha Plant was still being worked on. No wonder we had no info on him.

Doing one or two of what I listed to throw us off is possible, but doing this all to hide a Smash Bros character is the kind of 4D Chess tactics in which only God and Shaggy could perform. The Grinch leak was all unintentional, but all of this is supposedly intentional leak bait? I don't buy it. Nothing is confirmed, but an intuitive guess doesn't hurt, and I can't imagine Erdrick not being in.
 
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Agree with you. Its hopeful I think about Erdrick's chances, but with the whole SF:GP fiasco one can never be so sure.
Actually I read something about what looks like that SF:GP was confirmed as a long term leak bait, so it can confirm that he indeed have insiders.
 
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Agree with you. Its hopeful I think about Erdrick's chances, but with the whole SF:GP fiasco one can never be so sure.
What I wanna know is how did that leak even gain traction to begin with and why? What's even to hide by leaking a SF:GP game? Maybe to snuff out leakers since leaking goes against employment obligations, but still. That's a long term effort to do so.

On to my main point. The thing is that all SF:GP really proves is that Nintendo can lie. Lying about one subject doesn't mean they're good at hiding everything else. Notice how a ton of other games were leaked like Link's Awakening and DQ ports. If they were lying about Erdrick when everyone and their grandmothers are checking to see who the next DLC character is, we would have heard conflicting evidence against Erdrick in my opinion. And the truth of the matter is we have with that list of 7 SE characters. With less and less time to find out who the next character is, it seems odd how more and more info narrows down to Erdrick. I wouldn't attribute SF:GP to Erdrick being leakbait. When it comes to the SE character, we're pretty confident one is going to be in, right? Then why is there not a second name being said now as we get closer to the newcomer reveal? Development toward the next newcomer should theoretically start at this time if they want to meet a release deadline around June or July. If development for our mystery character is beginning to rear its head, I find it harder to believe they can get away with leakbait now.

Probably a good idea to continue being skeptical for now, but those are my two cents on the matter.
 

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What I wanna know is how did that leak even gain traction to begin with and why? What's even to hide by leaking a SF:GP game? Maybe to snuff out leakers since leaking goes against employment obligations, but still. That's a long term effort to do so.

On to my main point. The thing is that all SF:GP really proves is that Nintendo can lie. Lying about one subject doesn't mean they're good at hiding everything else. Notice how a ton of other games were leaked like Link's Awakening and DQ ports. If they were lying about Erdrick when everyone and their grandmothers are checking to see who the next DLC character is, we would have heard conflicting evidence against Erdrick in my opinion. And the truth of the matter is we have with that list of 7 SE characters. With less and less time to find out who the next character is, it seems odd how more and more info narrows down to Erdrick. I wouldn't attribute SF:GP to Erdrick being leakbait. When it comes to the SE character, we're pretty confident one is going to be in, right? Then why is there not a second name being said now as we get closer to the newcomer reveal? Development toward the next newcomer should theoretically start at this time if they want to meet a release deadline around June or July. If development for our mystery character is beginning to rear its head, I find it harder to believe they can get away with leakbait now.

Probably a good idea to continue being skeptical for now, but those are my two cents on the matter.
I think the big thing that divides this is that it's easy to leak bait something completely fake then a thing that is really been worked.
With something been worked, there's a lot of people inside talking about the subjects and it's natural that when they come closer to finishing a project they talk more about the real deal, specially as more people get in contact with the material. Leakers usually got more information right about already confirmed games then new titles.
 

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Sorry Erdrick supporters, but the 5Chan Leak (that claimed that the other 4 DLC characters are Erdrick, Steve, Doomguy, and Ryu Hayabusa) has been proven fake.
 
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Sorry Erdrick supporters, but the 5Chan Leak (that claimed that the other 4 DLC characters are Erdrick, Steve, Doomguy, and Ryu Hayabusa) has been proven fake.
Yeah I think the only one worth any credence is the one that just claimed Joker and Erdrick.
 
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Sorry Erdrick supporters, but the 5Chan Leak (that claimed that the other 4 DLC characters are Erdrick, Steve, Doomguy, and Ryu Hayabusa) has been proven fake.
And that was the only thing we had going?
 

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That 5chan leak being a load doesn't mean that Erdrick isn't in. We still have the other one that mentions Joker coming with Mementos (which has been proven true so far and also predicted the Granblue fighting game + Persona 5 R for 2019, even if they aren't stretches to predict) that also mentions Erdrick. On top of that, Tansut, the guy who leaked Cloud, is an insider that people still have their eyes on when it comes to Erdrick, and debatably Vergeben with his Smash sources.

I'm seeing a lot of people being eager to jump on the faulty 5chan leak as proof that Erdrick is 'deconfirmed'. C'mon. It isn't proof of that at all. It's just that one source that is 'deconfirmed'. If anything, that just makes Steve, Ryu Hayabusa, and Doomguy look less likely for now.
 

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What do people think about Sakurai saying he picked Piranha Plant for being entirely unique, and wishing less main characters were sword wielders? Seems kinda strange that he'd say that and then add THE rpg sword guy, I know Erdrick CAN use other weapons but theres no way the sword and shield wouldn't be his main weapons. I really can't imagine Sakurai saying that then making people pay for an rpg sword guy, even if it is THE original one.
 

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What do people think about Sakurai saying he picked Piranha Plant for being entirely unique, and wishing less main characters were sword wielders? Seems kinda strange that he'd say that and then add THE rpg sword guy, I know Erdrick CAN use other weapons but theres no way the sword and shield wouldn't be his main weapons. I really can't imagine Sakurai saying that then making people pay for an rpg sword guy, even if it is THE original one.
Who says he can't really do something original with another sword wielder? That's more so Fire Emblem's problem specifically anyway.
 
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What do people think about Sakurai saying he picked Piranha Plant for being entirely unique, and wishing less main characters were sword wielders? Seems kinda strange that he'd say that and then add THE rpg sword guy, I know Erdrick CAN use other weapons but theres no way the sword and shield wouldn't be his main weapons. I really can't imagine Sakurai saying that then making people pay for an rpg sword guy, even if it is THE original one.
He didn't say that actually, Sakurai mentioned that it was difficult to make the Swordsmen to stand out (he also said the same of the brawlers with their punches and kicks).
 
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