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The Gta+Niagara Brawl Power Rankings! (last updated 06/28. OMG RLY!?)

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Cruxis

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i really dont see how any changes could have been made to the PR, nothing big happened at Gi's tourney and like 2 PR members went to Tin's tourney so that can't really be counted towards PR
 

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i'm not going to mlg cex
honestly i haven't played brawl in th elongest time, and i dont even have my wii in toronto right now
 

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TinMan / KingAce is anyone else confirmed going to MLG with us? Tin you said something about decoy maybe going I think... I need to know pretty soon because I need to book the hotel room before next Wednesday. The rooms at the Hyatt are $119/night for 4 people, so there's still room for 1 more person (I don't know how much it would cost to have more than 4 people though).
Bring Holy for me please.
 

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Ally I can bring Holy if he can find a way to get to Chatham somehow...train maybe?

Tin are you still going if decoy and Ace aren't?
 

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If anyone else has a passport and wants to go to MLG you should get in touch with Tin and me as well; there's room for at least 1 more person.
 

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i really dont see how any changes could have been made to the PR, nothing big happened at Gi's tourney and like 2 PR members went to Tin's tourney so that can't really be counted towards PR
Mikey and Nickcam have both quit (mikey made a post earlier/told me on msn) so them and culex make 3 open spots. Those should make for some significant changes (unless the panelists have overlooked that factor or disregard it).
 

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haze, MLG is on june 4-6 in Columbus, Ohio, and Chatam is far south-west in ontario. The major problem I'm having is that like next to - busses go there. I need a ride to and from Chatam to reach MLG.
 

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haze, MLG is on june 4-6 in Columbus, Ohio, and Chatam is far south-west in ontario. The major problem I'm having is that like next to - busses go there. I need a ride to and from Chatam to reach MLG.
Pretty sure VIA rail runs there. You can catch the VIA from Union Station in Toronto.
 

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yeah, via rail, its 120 round trip o.O

IF 1 MORE PERSON CAN COME TO MLG, RAIDOS WILL COME, AND IF YOU CAN GET TO NIAGARA, THEN YOU HAVE A RIDE TO CHATHAM TO MEET AVARICE WHO WILL THEN TAKE US TO OHIO

(plus it will be a full car/hotel room, so minimized costs).
 

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Tin I went ahead and booked a room at the Hyatt; having a 5th person in the room is only an extra $10. Let me know as soon as you know who (if anyone) is coming so I know what modifications I need to make to the reservation or if I have to cancel.

And yeah Gi, getting wrecked for sure; but I know you're jealous you're not coming to get wrecked with us :laugh:
 

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you know u wanna sound like me.

Its a lil absurd that its been like over a week and this thread hasn't been updated. This thread either needs new management or just quicker updates.
 

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How would all of this cost? If someone can give me numbers, I'll definitely look into it.
 

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In the meantime inbetween the update, I'll post the PR change and the reasoning behind the updates. Mikey style biatch.

1. SilverDoc (MK / Diddy)
2. KingAce (MK)
3. TOJoe (MK)
4. Hype (MK)
5. Raidos (ICs / Snake)
6. Pharaoh (Snake)
7. Fool (Falco / Snake)
8. Ray Kalm (Ganon)
9. Shifu (Diddy / Snake)
10. Tinman (ROB / Oli)

U&C - Decoy (Snake), Iliad (Marth / Falco), i1337 (DK), SRTM (Diddy), Tippr (Marth)

Doc - He's definitely the #1, and whether he's been absent from the scene or not there's no one in Canada, forget Ontario, who can beat him save for a very select few. And given his intent to return to tourneys, his placement at #1 is a no brainer.

Ace - Behind Doc, he is absolutely unstoppable and has been since July of '08. That beastly tornado tech skill combined with his genuine reading ability is impossible to top unless your family name is Carroza.

TOJoe - While at LBT2 he placed below hype, he has been present at more tourneys and has been placing more consistently than anyone else save for Doc and Ace and thus deserves the third spot. Simple enough.

Hype - Still proven to be a beast in Ontario smash, only dropped from the tie in third due to activity but the panelists have no doubt that once he comes back fully into the competitive scene he will likely see a rise.

Raidos - Absolutely stellar performance in nearly every tournament to date and has been incredibly active to the point that no panelist managed to conjure up a tournament that Raidos has missed. Always places within the top 8(with few exceptions) and frequently in the top 6, Raidos' ascension to the 5th spot of the PR was not a surprise, especially with decisive wins over players like Decoy, Ray Kalm and Pharaoh at No Waahs 2.

Pharaoh - Probably the best snake in Ontario currently. If he didn't john so hard about money and actually attended tournaments on a regular basis he wouldn't see a drop. However, again like with Hype the panelists have no doubt that further attendance will boost his ranking.

Fool - He's been gone since LBT2 but proved to everyone he was no joke at Brewin' up some Brawl. Beasting on top tier competitors despite the lack of the top PR, still managed to impress not only spectators but his opponents mid-match. Definitely deserving of a bump up in rank to represent as he now officially ambassador's Sauga.

RayKalm - The most monstrous Ganon I have EVER laid eyes on. With Mikey and Nickcam's absence he certainly sees a rise and while his absence from Brewin' up some brawl precluded him from rising any higher, the scene has faith in our low tier **** artist to turn some heads and climb his way to the top of the PR.

Shi Fu - Easily the most promising of all the new additions to the power rankings. Trained by hype in the bowels of Waterloo, he came to Brewin up some brawl with a vengeance (and tech skill) the likes of which none had seen in quite some time. Not surprising given his **** at LBT2 and it's not surprising he would move up into the 9th spot.

Tinman - While not everyone might agree with his play style (or his PR placing), he has consistently proven himself to be a master of both ROB and Olimar, and with two back to back top 6 and top 12 placings and absolute domination of the doubles mindset, he has easily earned this top 10 spot. Tinaye we may rag on you, but keep it up.

U&C - Me and Gi decided it should return to the 5 up and comers, effectively acting as the top 15 players in ontario, while recognizing the top 10 as ranked in order.

Decoy - The man who took the east coast scene by storm with his brutal **** of montreal in his first out of province tournament. While his singles placing as of late has been less than impressive, his domination within the doubles mindset has proven to be a skill to admire. Definitely worth of U&C and if he steps up his game is likely to make it onto the PR by the next update.

Iliad - "He gets too many tips", what can be said about this aggro *** marth? The bane of ice climbers and snakes everywhere, his placings in the top 12 and top 8 have been fairly consistent, not enough to warrant a ranking in the PR but enough to remain firmly entrenched in U&C.

i1337 - Probably one of the best (if not the best of the best) DK mains in Ontario. Every tournament he has attended so far has been home to high placing and incredible upsets, the only reason he hasn't seen the PR is due to a recent lack of activity.

SRTM - Perhaps the most improved player of the scene, SRTM has climbed from 4th seeder to the man you fear to face in brackets. His mastering of the Diddy mindset and AT list has proven itself as he has placed within the top 12 and has stormed through doubles in the last few tournaments.

Tippr - The most technically sound marth in ontario, his reading skills are unparalleled and falcos everywhere curse his name. He has consistently proven himself to be one of the best players in the ontario scene but just fell short of making the top 10 itself. Tipper is the definition of "up and comer"

Thats all for now. Hopefully nate can update this **** soon. Merry christmas *****es.
 

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I'm liking the whole Ray Kalm thing, I really am, congrats to you.

But... Above Shifu? Are you sure of that?

Other than that, solid list, expect a return from the doc himself.
 

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I'll be getting top 10 soon.
No less than 9th in tourneys from now on.
Shifu, your diddys going down, no more of your mk on rainbow shenanigans.
 

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man i dont even play this game no more but after someone messaged me that whatisclutch made the pr i have to say illiad ur a champ. After seeing this list i realized it is possible that someone has reached the level of tinman di. Only explanation i can possibly see is that u did roulette to determine the list. Only legit pr left is the bowling pr lol.
 

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man i wish i could go to mlg,always wanted to attend that...hopefully we can set something up in the summer where highschool doesnt own me
 

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Pharaoh - Probably the best snake in Ontario currently. If he didn't john so hard about money and actually attended tournaments on a regular basis he wouldn't see a drop. However, again like with Hype the panelists have no doubt that further attendance will boost his ranking.
TBH id probably still be going to tournies regularly regardless of who attends, if i wasnt going to university overseas

but now i just want to maximize what i can get out of this game before i leave

and YESSSSSS TIN MAN ON PR YESS
 

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There are 2 placements that i do not agree with, these are just my opinions, perhaps you panelists already considered these and have good reason for why you made the list the way it is tho but here are my 2 cents anyways.

FOOL IS TOO LOW:

Looking at the last 4 tourneys that we had:

At No Waahs 1, Fool got 9th place and Only lost to big names (Mikey in winners then Hype in losers). Raidos didn't go to this tourney tho however...

At LBT2, while only losing to big names (Doc in winners and Hype in losers), he defeated me, shifou, and even Raidos himself (and Raidos lost to Mikey in winners)!

So at No Waahs 2, Raidos beats Kalm and Decoy and Cruxis (Losing to Holy and Joe), and fool doesnt go however...

At My tourney, Fool defeats Raidos (AGAIN) while beating Divine Haze, Iliad, and Knuckles (losing to Shifu thru sandbagging, and losing to Ally in winners), and Raidos Lost to me (TWICE).

I feel that while beating Cruxis was big for Raidos, Raidos has consistently lost to Fool, And Raidos loses to me when Fool has beaten me several times. I believe Fool should be Higher than Raidos on the PR because of this.

Edit: And Fool is much, much, much, much better than Raidos in teams.

KALM IS TOO HIGH:

Looking at both tourneys that Kalm has been to in comparison to the ones Shifu has been to:

at No Waahs 1, Kalm only lost to Ace in Winners and Mikey in losers, and the only person he beat worth mentioning is Nickcam

at LBT2 Shifu lost to Ally and Fool, and defeated Kuenzel.

with the next set of results, at No Waahs 2Kalm loses to Ally and Raidos, but also beats Kuenzel and SRTM in the process, yet ends up with a 9th placing, a step down from his previous placing and losing to a PR member ranked lower than nickcam was ranked.

At My tourney, Shifu proves he can also beat SRTM and moves on to beat me and fool (though fool sandbagged), and ends up with a placing of 3rd

so for Kalm, when 9 PR members are present (if you include Minus), he gets 7th, but when less PR members show up (slightly less, there were 7 if u count holy, ally, and king kong) he gets a lower placing ?

Shifou manages to place the same as Kalm at a tourney where there are 12 PR members (counting ally, holy, swordgard, and kong)

and gets 3rd when 80% of the Ontario PR isnt there, and Ray_Kalm is higher than him ?!?

I'm liking the whole Ray Kalm thing, I really am, congrats to you.

But... Above Shifu? Are you sure of that?

Other than that, solid list, expect a return from the doc himself.
Even Doc sees something wrong with this.

BTW characters should look like this

1. SilverDoc (MK / Diddy)
2. KingAce (MK)
3. TOJoe (MK)
4. Hype (MK)
5. Raidos (ICs / Snake)
6. Pharaoh (Snake)
7. Fool (Falco / Snake)
8. Ray Kalm (Snake/Ganon)
9. Shifu (Diddy / Snake)
10. Tinman (ROB / Oli)

U&C - Decoy (Snake), Iliad (Marth / Falco), i1337 (DK), SRTM (Diddy), Tippr (Marth)
This way I can call everyone above me a gay TIER WH0RE :p (lulz :laugh:)


TBH id probably still be going to tournies regularly regardless of who attends, if i wasnt going to university overseas

but now i just want to maximize what i can get out of this game before i leave

and YESSSSSS TIN MAN ON PR YESS
YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH BBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIII!!!!!!!!!
 

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Yeah, to those wondering why I haven't updated the pr its because I'm sorry but I can't just officialize a list that 2 people (who no offense but, were never even appointed as panelists by me) came up with. Especially right before I make my tournament return.
I was more lenient about what went on when I wasn't around, but now that I'm back I'm not going to just change a bunch of things up on the fly. I've made a post about waiting until I get back and we'll do this properly.

After this tournament, there will be reform and we'll do a fresh update that at least 4 people will be a part of.
 

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Tinman. No.

Kalm took a game off Ally and nearly took the set at No Waahs2. I don't care if it was his falcon. That same falcon two stocked Holy's MK at the same tourney in grand finals, and that same falcon beat our number 1 player 3-0 in montreal.

Fool being too low is a possibility, something that will be changed if it's glaringly obvious at your next tourney.

Shifu is ****ing legit. I -know- he's ****ing legit. He is on the PR following the second tournament we've seen him at in four months. No he should not be higher until he consistently proves himself. Adrian is ****, and likely will climb the PR but take Doc's situation as a precedent. He took 7th and better at every tournament he attended when he started off in the scene. It took forever for him to get posted to the PR. It can't be something that's done overnight Tinny. People can have bad tourneys and good tourneys. Consistency is what marks a top player.

As for Minus'. Since the **** when do you have the authority to determine who's a panelist and who isn't when you've been gone from the scene for god knows how long and only show up for week long vacations. Mikey vacated his spot to Gi and to me. Doc and Ace have both told me they approve of the list, and while they would consider changing one or two things, they can see valid reasons for why they would be where they are.

Me and Gi didn't just frivolously conjure up some magic rankings. We went through the trouble of compiling tournament placings for the last two tournaments and DISCUSSED. Ignorant mother ****ers.

And anyone who doesn't believe me is more than welcome to ask for the word document I have set-up.
 

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As for Minus'. Since the **** when do you have the authority to determine who's a panelist and who isn't when you've been gone from the scene for god knows how long and only show up for week long vacations. Mikey vacated his spot to Gi and to me. Doc and Ace have both told me they approve of the list, and while they would consider changing one or two things, they can see valid reasons for why they would be where they are.

Me and Gi didn't just frivolously conjure up some magic rankings. We went through the trouble of compiling tournament placings for the last two tournaments and DISCUSSED. Ignorant mother ****ers.

And anyone who doesn't believe me is more than welcome to ask for the word document I have set-up.
You may remember the fact that the only person who ever actually appointed panelists was me. Many a time there were suggestions and most of the time I went with the suggestions, but it was never actually someone else's decision.
Now we have a list deliberated on by two people not even good enough to make it on the list, when we used to run things with 4+ of the best and most knowledgeable of the scene.

You're saying Mikey gave his spot up two you 2, and then having not made a list before ever all of a sudden the you're completely deciding the new list while the actual experienced panelists just look on and nod? Hell, Doc just finished disagreeing with you, and unless those are his closing comments from your discussion, it seemed he didn't know what the list would be/ wasn't done deliberating.
As I said before, the entire process has been warped since I left, but now we're going to go back to the real procedure.

Since when the ****? Since 2 years ago when I started this. Doesn't matter if I am around or not, and speaking of which... I'll be back for 4 months.
Don't speak as if I'm being unfair, I'm not exactly going to just let you run away with the rankings I've run for so long. Leave it at that.
 

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You may remember the fact that the only person who ever actually appointed panelists was me. Many a time there were suggestions and most of the time I went with the suggestions, but it was never actually someone else's decision.
Now we have a list deliberated on by two people not even good enough to make it on the list, when we used to run things with 4+ of the best and most knowledgeable of the scene.

You're saying Mikey gave his spot up two you 2, and then having not made a list before ever all of a sudden the you're completely deciding the new list while the actual experienced panelists just look on and nod? Hell, Doc just finished disagreeing with you, and unless those are his closing comments from your discussion, it seemed he didn't know what the list would be/ wasn't done deliberating.
As I said before, the entire process has been warped since I left, but now we're going to go back to the real procedure.

Since when the ****? Since 2 years ago when I started this. Doesn't matter if I am around or not, and speaking of which... I'll be back for 4 months.
Don't speak as if I'm being unfair, I'm not exactly going to just let you run away with the rankings I've run for so long. Leave it at that.
firstly mad respect nate for running this show for time.

but im a little confused...are you suggesting that you are the sole appointer of panelists in gtan? that seems a bit autocratic does it not...as i see it (and i think others as well) this entire production belongs to the community. regardless of who made the thread.

also imo your ability to make the pr doesn't necessarily vary directly with your capacity as a panelist. while skilled players have a degree of insight into the gameplay of other plaers, especially those who are less skilled than them, not all skilled players would make good panelists. by the same logic one can see how a 'less skilled' player could be an excellent panelist (no offense to your skills jon and christian).

just some things to think about.
 

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firstly mad respect nate for running this show for time.

also imo your ability to make the pr doesn't necessarily vary directly with your capacity as a panelist. while skilled players have a degree of insight into the gameplay of other plaers, especially those who are less skilled than them, not all skilled players would make good panelists. by the same logic one can see how a 'less skilled' player could be an excellent panelist (no offense to your skills jon and christian).

just some things to think about.
Funny enough, I agree on all points quoted, this is why one of the panelists one the very first pr and some of its updates was an unranked cos member (Steve). Notice how I never said that either of them couldn't be a part of things to come for the pr.
This is truly not the point of my post though, the point of my calling out of rank is just to show the contrast in the procedures taken to update the pr.

With the exception of the last update (last 2 maybe?) that Mikey has been in charge of, I have played a direct role in every update of the pr that has happened. Right as I left, out of lazyness I appointed Mikey to run things in my stead, as he has with Jon and Christian. As a result, the entire procedure involved with the making of the pr has not been of the same standard that the previous ones have had. Now that I am back and want to take these things semi seriously again, I feel like I cannot afford this negligence again.

While I am the one making the decision in the end who is a panelist, as I've said before I take community suggestion, as this is all for the community. But there is no way I'm going to go from such an organized and legit system to two people appointed by someone whom I didn't have any contact with in the first place about the decision suddenly running the show.
Think of the contrast of 4-5 well respected and carefully chosen individuals all with influence of other panelists submitting there list, and then coming together to deliberate on tabulated results...... up against 2 non ranked players coming together under their own terms to decide a list while not even consulting the person who has done this from before they even knew what competitive smash was, and has been in the scene longer than any other brawl player excluding Ambrose.

Lets not even talk about how the lack of respect shown by people to come up to me saying " this is how it is, post this!", and "when are you going to update the list? Someone should make a new thread!", Jesus christ the audacity of some of you. If I even fully expressed myself I feel like I'd burn bridges and things wouldn't be good for the community.
 

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just to comment on your last part:

It seems you had good reason not to update the list, but as far as I am concerned, you are back in Ontario. You should have taken the MSN's of Iliad and Gi, or even King Ace, and Doc (although Doc prolly wouldn't respond >_>), and whomever else you deemed "worthy" and had a group discussion.

It has been more than 2 weeks since the last tournament and for you to come up with an explanation only now is unacceptable. I feel like you can't complain about people wishing that you update the PR because you haven't supplied us with the information as to why it isn't updated. I assume this list is meant to be done fast while being done efficiently. You can't expect the community to sit around (or at least forget about the PR) and wait until your comfortable to update it.

So far, I'm just saying, you did have a good reason for not updating the PR, but you said it late, and therefore you can't blame members of the community for requesting new management. It is your responsibility as the "godfather of the PR thread" to let us know why **** isn't done on time. I assume you have a good reason for not grabbing the contact information of people, but once again you haven't stated that. If you do have a good reason, state it, its ur duty to, if not, then you were just lazy and not doing your job well.

And also, I would think that you can be a panelist while not being in Ontario, you just have to talk to people and discuss results, whether u do that or not, iunno, but it seems like you don't make an effort to contact ppl when ur at school. iunno, maybe u do, sorry if i'm wrong, all i'm saying is that the big boss of this thread should be active year round when it comes to updating this thing, if you leave and not participate in 2 updates, then we just lost our "leader" so we have to work with what we got, and for the record from my perspective anyways, I think we have handled ourselves quite well in your absence.

well anyways, just puttin some things out there t think about, nothing personal.
 
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