Data The Great Fairy Fountain II : Zelda Data & Research Repository

[GodAtHand]

Just chiming in to say that this idea of getting reference points for stages to ledge-cancel would be super useful for me. I used to actually use this quite a bit in tournament and would like to again.

 

[BJN39]

Fun news! Due to a thread in the competitive subforum about the data, I can now add another statistic to complex data tables! You can (Very soon) view a hit-box's ability to clank! Such as being transcending or normal.

Edit : Finished implementing it! You can find it in a complex data table just underneath "SDI" near the bottom. :D

 

[Rickster]

@ BJN39 Ok so I thought it would be a good idea to show a preview of some sort, just in case it looks terrible and you hate it.
FD Right: The back of her dress (where her foot is) needs to be RIGHT where the red/magma part starts. Just a step past the glowy thing in the middle.

Spoiler

FD Left: Pretty much right on the glowy thing. She fits perfectly on it.

Spoiler

Sorry for the bad quality. I just used my phone camera. And it did NOT like the flashiness of FD, LOL. Let me know if this is ok or not.

 

[BJN39]

@ BJN39 Ok so I thought it would be a good idea to show a preview of some sort, just in case it looks terrible and you hate it.
FD Right: The back of her dress (where her foot is) needs to be RIGHT where the red/magma part starts. Just a step past the glowy thing in the middle.

Spoiler

FD Left: Pretty much right on the glowy thing. She fits perfectly on it.

Spoiler

Sorry for the bad quality. I just used my phone camera. And it did NOT like the flashiness of FD, LOL. Let me know if this is ok or not.

Sorry my reply is so late, I meant to reply sooner.

These pictures are nice, and feel free to have/add pictures, (I most likely will if you're providing.) but I myself probably won't at least for the 3DS reference points, unless someone can provide me images of all the omegas and viable platform stages in "Panned out" view for the 3DS version. I was just gonna do writeups there.

 

[Mocha]

I'm not sure if I mentioned this before, but I'm loving how this move-set guide/misc is shaping up to be so far. The layout is also clean, easy on the eyes, and pretty-ish. The gifs give us a clear view of whatever move or technique you're trying to show. Keep up the fabulous work, @ BJN39

 

[BJN39]

I'm not sure if I mentioned this before, but I'm loving how this move-set guide/misc is shaping up to be so far. The layout is also clean, easy on the eyes, and pretty-ish. The gifs give us a clear view of whatever move or technique you're trying to show. Keep up the fabulous work, @ BJN39

Thank you ^ ^ It means a lot to me to hear people like it and it's useful and or easy enough to read.

The GIFs are also just what I was wishing for. I was pleasantly surprised when @ Nammy12 had made them all in Black dress to boot. <3

Bonus GIFs:

Such sig material heer.

Everyone loves the taunts. <3

 

[Rickster]

Sorry my reply is so late, I meant to reply sooner.

These pictures are nice, and feel free to have/add pictures, (I most likely will if you're providing.) but I myself probably won't at least for the 3DS reference points, unless someone can provide me images of all the omegas and viable platform stages in "Panned out" view for the 3DS version. I was just gonna do writeups there.

Glad you like them. I have the 3DS version too, so I could get pics for you once the Wii U version is done.

 

[BJN39]

Glad you like them. I have the 3DS version too, so I could get pics for you once the Wii U version is done.

Really? Thanks! That would be great.

 

[Rickster]

Finished Battlefield, Town and City, Lylat Cruise (ugh), and Delfino Plaza! For some reason the Battlefield left cancel pic and the Delfino right cancel pic didn't want to upload...

Battlefield

Spoiler

Right: The front of her dress (while standing, no idle poses happening) needs to touch the center of the swirly thing. The left version is the same, except on the other side of the swirl.

Town and City

Spoiler

Right and Left: If only they could all be so easy! See that dot in the middle? Stand right on it, and you can cancel on both sides! Celebratory fireball! It's almost like it was made for this :'D. This might be one of our better stages because of this.

Lylat Cruise

Spoiler

Right: The front of her dress needs to touch the center of the stage. It's marked with a tiny black line, so that helps. Would not recommend cancelling. It only works if the side you wish to cancel on is tilting up. I hate this stage.

Left: Same thing, dress on the black line in the center. This is where cancelling wouldn't work, due to the tilt. It would work if it was tilting the other way, though. Still hate this stage.

Delfino Plaza

Spoiler

Left: On the main platform, there are little...rainbow line things in the middle (inside the big circle). You want to stand in between the first and second lines. Works the same way for the right side. Caught her mid-hairflip...

 

[Mocha]

Lylat Cruise is a truly terrifying place to use Farore's Wind cancels.

Also, I think editing the image and using Paint or almost any other photo editing program might be a good idea to 'mark' the places where she can initiation teleporting to.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I'm gonna have some free time later tonight so I can also test some FW cancel locations if you guys would like. Are there any specific stages that need testing?

 

[BJN39]

I'm gonna have some free time later tonight so I can also test some FW cancel locations if you guys would like. Are there any specific stages that need testing?

Well, @ Rickster has done BF, Lylat, Town & City, and Delfino for the WiiU so far (And IDK if he is doing any atm that he hasn't finished.) and I've done the top row of 6 in the 3DS version. So it's up to you. You can choose whichever you'd like to, as long as you let us know so we don't accidentally do them too!

 

[Nammy12]

If you guys want I can provide screenshots for both versions. I'm not sure if I'll be able to help with the testing though. (Not good enough with Zelda )

 

[BJN39]

If you guys want I can provide screenshots for both versions. I'm not sure if I'll be able to help with the testing though. (Not good enough with Zelda )

That sounds great to me! @ Rickster would you be cool with that?

PS, you don't need to be 'good enough' at Zelda to test edge cancel reference points. You just need to know how to work FW ledge cancelling really.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Ah sorry this took so long for me to do! I came home later than expected. I decided to do Duck Hunt, Kongo Jungle 64, and Halberd.

EDIT: I just realized I forgot something in the Duck Hunt section so I added that

Spoiler: Duck Hunt

Stand about a Zeldas length away from the disappearing / reappearing grass and if you're on the left, teleport to left and right for right. (works for both left and right side)

If the grass isn't there:

In the middle of the stage there's two dark patches of grass. For the left side stand so the back of Zelda's dress touches the front of the one with the arrow pointing to it. For the right, stand in the middle of the other patch.

Spoiler: Kongo Jungle 64

For the left side of the stage, stand so the back of her dress touches the right edge of the central wooden plank. For the right, stand on the left side. Idk if I explained that good enough, so I broke it down on the picture (dang, that doodle option on Smash Wii U is so helpful)

Spoiler: Aerial part of Halberd

For the aerial part:

So there's these metal grate things in the background, stand in the middle of the ones that are closest to the center. Stand in the middle of the left one for the right side of the stage, and vica versa.

I'm not sure if you guys know this, but you can also FW cancel off of the platforms! You'll have to hold diagonally downwards and right/left to do it. I got so many surprise kills in Brawl by doing this loooooool
Ok so for the right side, stand on the right side of the platform so the back of her dress sits on the platform's dividing line.

Do the left side of the platform for the left side:

Though sometimes it seems you might need to be a bit closer to the center of the platform for the left side.

Spoiler: Part of Halberd on the ship

There's this carpet (? at least that's what it looks like) in the background, and for the right side, make sure the front of Zelda's dress touches the border between the red and gold parts of the carpet. Do the exact opposite for the left side (the arrow is pointing where the front of her dress should touch.)

You can also FW cancel off the platform here! There's these yellow parts on the side of the platform and you're going to want to use the second to last one as your guideline. Make sure the back of Zelda's dress is touching where it starts, and teleport diagonally downwards and right for the right side, and diagonally downwards and left for the left side.

 

[BJN39]

Ah sorry this took so long for me to do! I came home later than expected. I decided to do Duck Hunt, Kongo Jungle 64, and Halberd.

Spoiler: Duck Hunt

Stand about a Zeldas length away from the disappearing / reappearing grass (works for both left and right side)

Spoiler: Kongo Jungle 64

For the left side of the stage, stand so the back of her dress touches the right edge of the central wooden plank. For the right, stand on the left side. Idk if I explained that good enough, so I broke it down on the picture (dang, that doodle option on Smash Wii U is so helpful)

Spoiler: Aerial part of Halberd

For the aerial part:

So there's these metal grate things in the background, stand in the middle of the ones that are closest to the center. Stand in the middle of the left one for the right side of the stage, and vica versa.

I'm not sure if you guys know this, but you can also FW cancel off of the platforms! You'll have to hold diagonally downwards and right/left to do it. I got so many surprise kills in Brawl by doing this loooooool
Ok so for the right side, stand on the right side of the platform so the back of her dress sits on the platform's dividing line.

Do the left side of the platform for the left side:

Though sometimes it seems you might need to be a bit closer to the center of the platform for the left side.

Spoiler: Part of Halberd on the ship

There's this carpet (? at least that's what it looks like) in the background, and for the right side, make sure the front of Zelda's dress touches the border between the red and gold parts of the carpet. Do the exact opposite for the left side (the arrow is pointing where the front of her dress should touch.)

You can also FW cancel off the platform here! There's these yellow parts on the side of the platform and you're going to want to use the second to last one as your guideline. Make sure the back of Zelda's dress is touching where it starts, and teleport diagonally downwards and right for the right side, and diagonally downwards and left for the left side.

LOL don't worry about the amount of time it takes (In fact you made these incredibly quick.)

These look great! I'm not surprised she could cancel off of the platforms in Halberd, but bonus cookie for adding reference spots for them!

 

[Rickster]

That sounds great to me! @ Rickster would you be cool with that?

PS, you don't need to be 'good enough' at Zelda to test edge cancel reference points. You just need to know how to work FW ledge cancelling really.

I would be cool with that. So sorry for the late response, there were some emergencies during the weekend so I haven't been on at all.

Also those pics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-mine, lol.

 

[Coreybadd(SWTSK)]

This helps a lot thank you

 

[BJN39]

So I sort of realized that I hadn't added the data for three different attacks, (Ledge getup attack, knocked down getup attack, and tripped getup attack.) even though the data was available. So I whipped together the data and will be adding it tomorrow!

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Ok so I've been testing nair as a kill setup and I think it might actually be applicable in an actual match. At like 100% I've been able to do the first few hits of nair into elevator/fsmash/dsmash/dtilt--> up air, etc. With the first hit of nair you can combo into LIGHTNING KICKS which is the flashiest thing in existence (from the center of FD it kills Jiggly at like 75% lol)

I'm pretty sure these are unescapable since nair has soooo little landing lag.
(for what i'm talking about below, assume i'm hitting with the front part of Zelda's nair since it's easier to land)

Since the first hit of nair pops the opponent into the air, it's generally easier to get a lk off that way. On heavy or large chars you can drag them towards the ground with the other hitboxes and generally still be able to fair/bair them. However for floaty tall characters like Peach or Rosa, if you nair them into the ground while they're close to you a fair won't sweetspot on them, and to do bair you have to slightly walk away which gives them enough time to shield. So, I'd just recommend dragging them into the ground and fsmashing or going for the elevator.

edit: on Jiggly every hit seems to drag her slightly in front of you in the air (except the final with knockback obv.) grounded sweetspot dair at 60% to bair/fair might also be a thing

Another interesting thing I've noticed is at 100 or so % the back hit of utilt might combo into the reappearing hit of Farore's if you teleport up, but I'd need to test that some more.

 

[Rickster]

I think my favorite thing about utilt is the back hit. It can combo into quite a few things since the end lag is lowish. I've gotten an utilt>uair to combo in training before. Even if it doesn't kill, it's a good damage racker doing 7+15= 27%. Now that I mention it uair in general is a great damage racker, not just a kill move, especially since it can combo from dthrow if they DI wrong. And the damage is good. Props to Nairo for getting that into my head.

 

[Macchiato]

wait what about customs?

 

[BJN39]

wait what about customs?

I hadn't added them yet, as they didn't seem super high priority.

If you had one(s) in mind you wanted the data for atm, I could probably whip them up and get them out soon.

 

[Macchiato]

I hadn't added them yet, as they didn't seem super high priority.

If you had one(s) in mind you wanted the data for atm, I could probably whip them up and get them out soon.

Nayrus Rejection please because I'm hoping it has something that were missing

 

[BJN39]

@ Macchiato I've added Nayru's Rejection now! IDK if we're really missing anything though. The move's data seems as equally sad as the move appears.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

told ya the move was an actual reject

 

[BJN39]

told ya the move was an actual reject

Ya pretty much that.

I had to take a double take when I realized it hit on frame 18. Wut.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I like how everytime someone sees a broken custom move they're like

"WHAT ARE THE DRAWBACKS?!?!?"

But with Zelda's you need to ask why you would use it over her default specials.

 

[Fernosaur]

I like how everytime someone sees a broken custom move they're like

"WHAT ARE THE DRAWBACKS?!?!?"

But with Zelda's you need to ask why you would use it over her default specials.

Science is looking for the answer to "WHY?"

 

[BJN39]

Whoop. I added the data for Farore's Squall! It seemed appropriate considering all of the current interest in the move.

 

[Furret]

Whoop. I added the data for Farore's Squall! It seemed appropriate considering all of the current interest in the move.

if only Zelda got Pit's custom on her Din's

 

[Macchiato]

BJ we need passions Hitbox Atm. We may found out some interesting things with it

 

[BJN39]

As requested by @ Macchiato , (Though, finished kind of later...) this thread now has the data for Zelda's other inferior Nayru option: Nayru's Passion!

 

[Macchiato]

As requested by @ Macchiato , (Though, finished kind of later...) this thread now has the data for Zelda's other inferior Nayru option: Nayru's Passion!

Rejection is actually better than love in 2/3 of the MUs. We've also found out that passion is pretty good. But thanks sis

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Lol

 

[Furret]

As requested by @ Macchiato , (Though, finished kind of later...) this thread now has the data for Zelda's other inferior Nayru option: Nayru's Passion!

Nairo's* Passion

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Nairu's passion

 

[BJN39]

Naryew's Passion, haven't yew heard? :^)

 

[Gay Ginger]

That endlag frame data lmao

 

[BJN39]

That endlag frame data lmao

Yeah smh it's all garbage. :'^)

All of her grabs, as well as Fsmash, Usmash, FAir, and BAir all got more-than-marginal end lag increases. Only one--ONE move got an endlag decrease. (Utilt)

It's truly incredible that Zelda of all [terrible] characters gets all of her normals trampled on when brought over from Brawl.

Though DAir did get out very lucky in the SSB4 transition, there's no denying that.

@Spirst is right when he said she is the devs' running joke of "let's see how bad we can make them."