Social The Ganonic Grimoire - Kongregation of Kings

[The Gallows]

It deals minor amounts of psychological damage, to be fair.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Practicing my Perfect Pivoting right now, trying to git gud.

May also do some more runs of All-Star to try and get Wizard's Dropkick, since I already have the best custom for my other main.

 

[Kyzon Xin]

Tomorrow I'll be starting my pools. Hopefully I can make it out with Ganon :D

 

[A2ZOMG]

Practicing my Perfect Pivoting right now, trying to git gud.

May also do some more runs of All-Star to try and get Wizard's Dropkick, since I already have the best custom for my other main.

If you're trying to perfect pivot as Ganon, I wouldn't worry about it much unless you really like PP Ftilt. Ganon overall doesn't benefit as noticeably from this tech.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

If you're trying to perfect pivot as Ganon, I wouldn't worry about it much unless you really like PP Ftilt. Ganon overall doesn't benefit as noticeably from this tech.

I also main Zard, though, so trying to get myself good PPivoting will really help over in that side of things.

 

[The Gallows]

P-Pivot is a good thing to have, but for Dorf not so much.

I legit only play Dorf now so it's kinda useless to me.

 

[Naroghin]

It's good to hear that PPivoting isn't very useful to Ganon. I've been practicing tech quite a bit lately and I've been putting this one off.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Haven't seen a single Ganon at EVO, which is bumming me out. Meanwhile, like 3 DDDs, a Bowser and a bunch of Charizards.

 

[Z1GMA]

Kinda annoying to watch that vid. Man, it has to happen next patch.
Give us a 6 frame Jab, better Grab Range, SH AC Stomp, and never touch Ganon again.

 

[Opana]

I'm not gonna use Sheik, I've put so much time in dorf and I really enjoy him. I was just at a loss for some of these ridiculous mus, just gonna learn everything I can though.

I'd like improved air speed as well actually.

 

[ItoI6]

ggs to opana you have good reads

 

[Opana]

ggs to opana you have good reads

Really ggs man! Your movement was insane, never seen PP used so effortlessly, and those strings especially the footstool ones were crazy and hype! I have not been destroyed like that since my first time playing Acid, you were crazy and I loved every minute of it despite getting completely bodied. Sorry for all those sds, I wouldn't have been so sloppy if I had caught you earlier lol, I was a bit embarrassed honestly. I haven't been scared to edge guard in a long time too, it almost always back fired lol,

One thing I'd just like to confirm, you're Ito right? You used the red MK, had HD in your name, and played a phenomenal neutral man.

EDIT: /Checked your recent posts and you're definitely Ito, just seems so unreal I'm running into all these known players, reminds me of finding a rare Pokemon or something lmao. GGs!

 

[sphenco]

Opana I knew you couldnt stay away from Ganon

 

[SleuthMechanism]

so customs recently got banned at my locals because people are whiny idiots and it seems to be a trend all over now. RIP Ganon being an actually decent character and my entire interest in competitive smash

 

[Naroghin]

That's discouraging; I was looking forward to seeing more Ganon at tourneys. I guess at least this way I have a legitimate excuse to stay default.

 

[Opana]

I never got into customs in fear of that happening, I think I prefer default everything though.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I never got into customs in fear of that happening, I think I prefer default everything though.

Dark Fists is honestly the best move Ganon has by such a wide margin that I sometimes worry people's opinions of Ganon will shift in the direction of Kong Cyclone. I don't play customs very often because none of my friends are into them and I'm in For Glory more than I should be, but I do love them, haha.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

i dunno dark fists is a fantastic move but i find wizard's drop kick to be the biggest game changer as it massively helps fix his crappy recovery.

 

[Opana]

I think Dark Fists is too slow or how I play tbh. DF can't be used nearly as much as Kyclone anyway.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I think Dark Fists is too slow or how I play tbh. DF can't be used nearly as much as Kyclone anyway.

It doesn't have the same "all-purpose application" as Kong Cyclone, but a combo-breaking kill move means that NOBODY can attack your shield or even hit you in the air safely without risk of death at 50% (with rage). It's a very big deal, haha. I just think since it's reactionary instead of versatile like Cyclone, it doesn't have the same level of exposure.

 

[SleuthMechanism]

^this. it definitely makes your opponents much more cautious once they know it's power though.(for example, sonic can't just blithely roll all over you with a deadly counter now waiting for him. XD)

 

[A2ZOMG]

i dunno dark fists is a fantastic move but i find wizard's drop kick to be the biggest game changer as it massively helps fix his crappy recovery.

Dark Fists does way more to fix Ganon's crap recovery than Dropkick, to be serious. You don't get people walltech punishing it and the armor frames if you know how to time them really force people to be careful edgeguarding you.

 

[Blobface]

I feel at this point, it's time for us as a community to start working on a comprehensive Ganondorf guide.

 

[Opana]

I know DF is fantastic, but for me personally I get the most out of DD. We should play sometime Jile, can't say how often it'l get use in the mirror but we gotta play anyway lol.

I'd have tried making a guide but I have a hard time seeing my keyboard and this site lags for me at time making my text really delayed. I'd be willing to be a contributor though.

 

[kevzgxd]

Ganondorf is a beast watch him kick some butt here https://youtu.be/zItoqaIFs9c also some dabs

 

[Vermanubis]

Ganondorf is a beast watch him kick some butt here https://youtu.be/zItoqaIFs9c also some dabs

Welcome to the boards, dude.

Just a heads up, vids go here: http://smashboards.com/threads/the-battle-for-power-matchmaking-video-thread.368251/

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Just got back from a regional... I think there were 40 entrants. I placed 2nd, and while my opponent in GF was really good, I definitely also didn't play well at all. I just had surgery Wednesday, so I have some johns haha. Really shouldn't have gone at all, but I was too excited to play good people to pass it up.

 

[adom4]

Just got back from a regional... I think there were 40 entrants. I placed 2nd, and while my opponent in GF was really good, I definitely also didn't play well at all. I just had surgery Wednesday, so I have some johns haha. Really shouldn't have gone at all, but I was too excited to play good people to pass it up.

Good job man!
What character did you win & lose to?

 

[Scarlet Jile]

GF set was vs a Diddy/Sheik. I won against the Diddy and got beat by Sheik. For the last game, I switched to Yoshi (and still lost, cause my Yoshi is rusty turds).

 

[Dark Phazon]

This just happened...had to upload it..

 

[Sykkamorre]

We should totally get a Ganonboards online tourney crew together to challenge the other character boards and rep the 'dorfmeister in online tourneys.

Just saiyan.

 

[Z1GMA]

Does anyone know if there'll be a Balance Patch as well with 1.10?

 

[adom4]

Does anyone know if there'll be a Balance Patch as well with 1.10?

Hopefully, the best buff Ganon can get right now is a Sheik nerf.

 

[Vermanubis]

Hopefully, the best buff Ganon can get right now is a Sheik nerf.

Agreed. As I've mentioned before, I think Sheik is the only character who genuinely invalidates Ganon. A nerf on both her vanish and bouncing fish. Thanks to to bouncing fish, aside from the obviously unreasonable kill potential, it's impossible to catch Sheik in the air. You get one hit, then she can reset. Make her at least <more> gimpable, and nerf bouncing fish, at least how safe it is.

 

[Z1GMA]

Nonono, I want Ganon-buffs

 

[TheSqushiestManatee]

Random idea. I want there to be a Ganondorf costume where he is wearing the same clothes as Mario and Luigi except the colors fit him so like brown and black or something and there is a "G" on his hat kinda like how Mario has an M on his hat.

 

[Gold_TSG]

If you really think about it, it's actually pretty amusing how little Dorf needs himself to make him perfect.

A faster Jab (even if with a slight damage nerf) so it doesn't just act like a weaker Ftilt.
More grab range. Seriously.
A stronger default Up B (for those non-custom matches. Why was this even nerfed?).

IMO, Flame Choke is in a pretty good spot, barring specific character rolls, and the better way to buff it indirectly is to fix a different problem: hurt box interactions. An example of this is how Dorf can't even run past most characters because his run is so slow. He gets stuck on them and ultimately slows down, resulting in dragging them along the stage with him. This affects rolls, in that a lot of chars with short rolls can't even roll through him. This makes Flame Choke chains a little harder to predict, since sometimes you'll predict someone to roll behind you, go for the punish behind you, then miss because they didn't roll through you.

And while I would love the cancel back on Dair, it's understandable why it was taken away. Given how hitstun works, it would make it a bit on the powerful side for his combos, and this is especially dangerous on the earlier to mid %s when it wouldn't bounce the opponent too high out of reach. I'm on the fence, really.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Ganon buffs would be nice for dealing with the human garbage that is Rosalina mains, but a Sheik nerf is a little bit more to the point when it comes to balancing the cast out. Ganon buffs might solve Ganon's problems, but Sheik nerfs would solve a whole lot more at the same time.

Ultimately, I think a little bit of both would be best case scenario, but we'll see, haha. Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

All Sheik really needs is a needle nerf.

Everything else about her is actually fine, and, dare I say, doable for the Dorf.

It's her needles that give her the ability to mess with characters and use her own style the way she chooses.

 

[Blobface]

All Sheik actually needs is a needle nerf.

Everything else about her is actually fine, and, dare I say, doable for the Dorf.

It's her needles that give her the ability to mess with character and use her own style the way she chooses.

I personally vouch for Thinkaman's idea where Sheik can't charge needles normally but gets 1 needle each time she lands an attack.

It'd probably even make sense to give them a compensatory buff, since losing the ability to use them to force approaches would be a big deal.