Social The Ganonic Grimoire - Kongregation of Kings

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

So my BF keeps bugging me about dark fists apparently being OP. I keep trying to explain that it's not but he's insinstant it is. these arguments ar honestly getting a bit ridiculous so it'd be great if you fellow ganon players could maybe help shed some light(NO WAIT, I MEAN, DARKNESS! Sorry, i did not mean to bring light to your lair! OAO") on the issue by providing points about darkfists, evidence of its drawbacks, and several examples of just how punishable it is.(since apparently it needin a hard read does not justify it killing at 60 percent and having armour on startup v.v)

Well, what is his reasons for it being OP?

 

[SleuthMechanism]

That it kills super early and has super armour on startup pretty much.(yes, despite it being the most punishable thing ever if it misses and being not all that fast)

 

[Blobface]

What's this "Ganon Ball Z" anyways?

Spoiler

I suddenly want Ganondorf to have his HW design as an alternate costume, with this as an additional color.

That it kills super early and has super armour on startup pretty much.(yes, despite it being the most punishable thing ever if it misses and being not all that fast)

Dark Fists has slow startup and terrible range, less range than your usual jab. For it to hit, Ganondorf needs to pretty much "counter" you, a la Marth and co.

 

[jmanup85]

@ A2ZOMG did you try to join my lobby? If you want you can rejoin and we can go at it

 

[Tino]

Spoiler

I suddenly want Ganondorf to have his HW design as an alternate costume, with this as an additional color.

That would've been grand right there...but too bad we're stuck with his Twilight Princess design, even though he still looks awesome.

 

[A2ZOMG]

@ A2ZOMG did you try to join my lobby? If you want you can rejoin and we can go at it

Mmm sorry I ran into this late. There will be another time I guess.

 

[jmanup85]

Mmm sorry I ran into this late. There will be another time I guess.

you need to join the Skype chat or something so we can set up matches easier

 

[A2ZOMG]

you need to join the Skype chat or something so we can set up matches easier

Well my Skype ID is something listed in my profile.

 

[The Gallows]

Hey guys. Spoke to Verm about joining up SWF again so here I am or whatever.

Ganon boards are so much more active than the days of Brawl, which is fantastic.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Yeah, we livin

 

[jmanup85]

Well my Skype ID is something listed in my profile.

I added you in Skype.

Hey guys. Spoke to Verm about joining up SWF again so here I am or whatever.

Ganon boards are so much more active than the days of Brawl, which is fantastic.

I don't know you but it's very nice to meet you man

 

[MagiusNecros]

I have obtained the Amiibo of Power at last.

 

[adom4]

Any Ganon mains to look out for in CEO?

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

Raykalm summed up in 1 photo.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I guess Wizard's Assault is great for faking people out. And I guess I have a weird fascination for Flame Wave now. Guess I like command grabs that kill.

 

[Rizen]

I really like Flame wave even though getting reads from flame choke is easy enough.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Front page, play of the week:

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Well, you got out of it a little more fortunately than Vex did, haha. That was tragic.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

At the same tournament series which I placed first at last time.

Since there's no internet, there's no streaming I believe (not 100% sure).

The matches are going to be recorded though.

 

[Vermanubis]

Looking forward to 'em. Who else is gonna be there?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Any Ganon mains to look out for in CEO?

Not CEO, but going to EXP next week.

There's also another semi-sized tournament I'm going to tomorrow.

 

[Sykkamorre]

Is that a scotdorf I see?

Fight me broooooooo

 

[The Gallows]

Yeah man, I'm from Scotland. I don't like playing online but I travel a bunch like Hypespotting, those Birmingham Streetpass things etc etc

I bump into James a lot but we never play.

 

[Sykkamorre]

Curses! I wish I had the luxury of being able to travel.

Still, more eurodorfs can only be a good thing!

 

[The Gallows]

Sparta is in Greece after all. REPRESENT.

 

[A2ZOMG]

@ Big O Thanks to the frame data we have, I was able to find a very clever way to test in theory who would be comboable out of Flame Choke by a 6 frame Jab assuming no hitbox changes.

For better or worse, it only affects the Pit/Dark Pit matchups. Everyone else we would probably need a 9 frame D-tilt.

If you're curious, I discovered completely by chance that Grounded Wizkick has the exact frame duration as point blank Flame Choke. This gave me a number reference to work with, and to put myself in a bufferable state that gave me an extra 2 frames compared to Flame Choke, I chose to buffer U-smash and Backwards Roll (using 2 CPU Ganons set on Control).

 

[Big O]

@ Big O Thanks to the frame data we have, I was able to find a very clever way to test in theory who would be comboable out of Flame Choke by a 6 frame Jab assuming no hitbox changes.

For better or worse, it only affects the Pit/Dark Pit matchups. Everyone else we would probably need a 9 frame D-tilt.

If you're curious, I discovered completely by chance that Grounded Wizkick has the exact frame duration as point blank Flame Choke. This gave me a number reference to work with, and to put myself in a bufferable state that gave me an extra 2 frames compared to Flame Choke, I chose to buffer U-smash and Backwards Roll (using 2 CPU Ganons set on Control).

If Flame Choke had like 1 frame earlier IASA you could FC Dtilt everyone in the game except himself and maybe Palutena.

 

[Slack is Love]

GGs A2ZOMG, you just mollywhopped me a few times on for glory. I'm Lightning Goza.

Your offstage game is too good, even when i would try to gimp you, somehow I ended up the one being gimped. I learned a lot, thanks for the games.

 

[A2ZOMG]

GGs A2ZOMG, you just mollywhopped me a few times on for glory. I'm Lightning Goza.

Your offstage game is too good, even when i would try to gimp you, somehow I ended up the one being gimped. I learned a lot, thanks for the games.

You have good things going on too. While I know I'm also a bit better at waiting and baiting things out, I think most of what you need to learn is shenanigans and matchup knowledge. I feel like you're at least skilled enough with Ganon to make that transition.

I think I'll work on that edgeguard guide I promised this weekend perhaps. There's a lot of interesting fine detail in edgeguarding with Ganon. Much of it is simply knowing your opponent's options and then learning how to adjust your spacing to follow or bait out common mixups.

 

[Garioshi]

Sheik is officially my least favorite character in the game.

 

[Vermanubis]

Sheik is officially my least favorite character in the game.

She's a fundamentally silly character. Unless they alter her foundationally, she's always gonna be a big pain in the ass.

 

[Blobface]

She's a fundamentally silly character. Unless they alter her foundationally, she's always gonna be a big pain in the ***.

Particularly for Ganon. Sheik is the literal antithesis of Ganon; incredibly safe but no reward.

To be honest, it's a goofy matchup for both characters. Not to say it's not way in Sheiks favor, but Sheik can literally hit you 25+ times and still end up losing because she got hit by 1 Rage F-smash. Meanwhile, Ganon is somehow getting knocked back for miles by needles that probably wouldn't even pierce his armor.

By the way I'm back.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Ege official stream

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Just 2-0ed everyone in my pools, was on stream twice.

The actual brackets are tomorrow.

Http://www.twitch.tv/egeofficial/mobile

 

[MagiusNecros]

Sheik is officially my least favorite character in the game.

This is true for anyone that doesn't play Sheik.

Brawl MK levels of oh really.

Darkness applied on attacks should inflict slow status or do poison damage or something. Just being a visual effect is underwhelming.

 

[Garioshi]

I can fight every character in this game but Sheik. ;-;

 

[Vermanubis]

Ultimately I think the DDK nerfs hurt us, since it incentivized literally everyone to switch to Sheik, the one character in this game that I genuinely feel invalidates us*

*It's Ganon though, so winning is still fully within the realm of possibility

 

[adom4]

Ultimately I think the DDK nerfs hurt us, since it incentivized literally everyone to switch to Sheik, the one character in this game that I genuinely feel invalidates us*

*It's Ganon though, so winning is still fully within the realm of possibility

I feel the same, Sheik is the the only character in the game now that Ganon needs to pull miracles to win, it's not Brawl bad but it's still incredibly hard.
It does feel good to destroy fraud Sheiks though

 

[Garioshi]

Somewhat off-topic but I'm going to my first PM tournament. Ganon all the way c:

 

[WhatIsRaizen?]

I think Ray Kalm's brother just beat Holy in a tournament for first 0.o..

Anyway: Http://www.twitch.tv/egeofficial/

I think we're gonna see Ray Kalm vs M2k on stream today

http://letsplaykw.challonge.com/exp2015wiiu