The Fox Video & Critique Thread - READ OP.

[Toronto Joe]

Vs. Ally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02cRQaseQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIO9e_ukW-U

Vs. Moses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTKDDSyERuY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBhZLZfU-rA

 

[DarkAura]

man i always wanted to see your fox against ally, pretty epic matches

 

[Zephil]

sexy matches TJ... I just hope you get a rematch with Ally because I know that you can defeat him! there were some mistakes that were important but in general you fought really well against him...

 

[KRDsonic]

Video cretique thread eh?

I'm curious about how my Fox is. I've finally been narrowing down to who I want to get good with in Brawl. Wolf is a definent, and Fox is one of my few possible secondaries (and the secondary I'd most like to have).

All I have of my recent Fox is a friendlies match from yesterday at HOBO 18 against Razer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ivWUhllhEk

Any tips for improvement? I feel like my Fox is so basic that there's something wrong with it :/

 

[Red Arremer]

First thing I've noticed is that you dash attack too much. Dash attack is like Fox's worst move. It'd been better if you tried SH DAir or NAir to approach instead of dash attack, I suppose.

Otherwise, it looked pretty solid to me, but I'll leave the rest up to people who know Fox better than me. XD

 

[DarkAura]

im not giving a full critique, the other guys can do that but a few things

Uair is much better for momentum cancelling
Moar laser especially against snake
Be more aggressive, and know when to camp.
Use more of fox's move set, mixing your playstyle up like hell

 

[KRDsonic]

Fox's dash attack is bad? I didn't know, I just know Melee Fox

 

[DarkAura]

yeah it's pretty terrible unless your using it from 20-55% even then it's very punishable, use it with caution

like Oni said, your better off with short hopped aerials

 

[KRDsonic]

Alright, I'll keep those tips in mind.

 

[Red Arremer]

Yep. It's pretty much his most punishable move. It's like Mario's DTilt, only that it has a little bit of more use.

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

Legendary Pikachu here. Just posting up some vids of my crewmate. He's a fledgling fox learning the ropes.

His tag is Takushin. Here are some vids of him taking what I call "my test."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBQwpwKeh3Y ~vs. zelda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duenHgRNyfc ~ vs. Ike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhaR2-Cbcs ~vs. lucario
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlJdCvNjWuQ ~vs. pit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HasSR4RROI ~vs. G&W
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0nR2Icqkpw ~vs. Luigi

I appreciate the help. Thanks in advance.

Oh I uploaded a hacked "high quality low quality" youtube vid. ^_^ HOpe you like the quality for fast loading time.

 

[DarkAura]

meh few fairly affective problems

he momentum cancel's incorrectly. Tell him to fast fall a Uair.

He needs to work on his laser game a fair bit, he's shooting his lasers too high. He should either needs to SHDL or perfectly time SHLs

He's really keeping it to Dair, Utilt, Usmash etc... fox's bread and butter which is good but when it comes to a higher level of play it's not good at all. He needs to really mix up his play style every now and then because there were more than a few times he was being very predictable and was punished for it.

wait for the other guy's opinions aswell, im not one to critique

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Updated with my videos, Takushin, and Joe's videos.

 

[C.R.Z]

meh few fairly affective problems

he momentum cancel's incorrectly. Tell him to fast fall a Uair.

He needs to work on his laser game a fair bit, he's shooting his lasers too high. He should either needs to SHDL or perfectly time SHLs

He's really keeping it to Dair, Utilt, Usmash etc... fox's bread and butter which is good but when it comes to a higher level of play it's not good at all. He needs to really mix up his play style every now and then because there were more than a few times he was being very predictable and was punished for it.

wait for the other guy's opinions aswell, im not one to critique

basically this...

i mean he has a basic understanding on how fox works but he needs to go deeper... i think he ll benifit from learning the core aspects of brawl before he tries to get better specifically with fox
i.e. edge hogging

 

[Legendary Pikachu]

I greatly appreciate the tips. Yea... he's a combist fanatic.... kinda obsessed currently with comboes he's seen other foxes do to the point of forgetting to learn the basics.

I guess I'll have to beat some of that into him. Thanks again everybody.

 

[Zhamy]

The big thing your friend needs to learn is positioning. Not spacing, because that comes later - but positioning is ridiculously important to playing Fox. You basically need to beat the turds out of him until he realizes what ranges to stand at and when it's relatively safe to pressure. Once he's got that down, then move on.

 

[C.R.Z]

heres a really old vid for lolz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDtv6DBgSok&feature=channel_page

this is quite old and was played at like 2am (hence the stupid stuff)

much more recent


CloudRain (Fox) vs Siri (Peach)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNbMKD1iwM&feature=player_embedded

 

[Jenkins]

CloudRain (Fox) vs Siri (Peach)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNbMKD1iwM&feature=player_embedded

cloudrain i clicked expecting to see a scrub but i saw a talented player ;D

you know the peach matchup PERFECTLY.

run away and camp basically the WHOLE match, and punish them.

great stuff. work on your offensive stuff a bit more and you should be sound

 

[Zhamy]

run away and camp basically the WHOLE match,

Yeah, this is payback for her having such a *****y Dsmash in Melee.

 

[Lightning93]

Aight... so... I been thinking bout that combo vid...

If someone can render the heads for Fox and Pika in the opening scene without it looking like crap, I think I can edit the rest. (OF THE OPENING SCENE.)

Now... we just need the:

FOX BOOOOARDS!!!

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

*Wakes up drenched in sweat from running a fever*

I still need to get more footage. I will be recording this weekend. Who should I sent my file to?

 

[Lightning93]

*Wakes up drenched in sweat*

All I needed to hear. Who's the lucky lady?

Um I dunno... a deadline was never really set... and the main editor was never assigned...

I would be up for having a combined project of some people doing the editing and shiz.

 

[C.R.Z]

cloudrain i clicked expecting to see a scrub but i saw a talented player ;D

you know the peach matchup PERFECTLY.

run away and camp basically the WHOLE match, and punish them.

great stuff. work on your offensive stuff a bit more and you should be sound

lol thanks dude, you prob thought i was a scrub because the first vid i posted was terrible and overall im not known by many smasherz <_<

but yeah im quite confident in the peach match up as ive have the best peach player to play against
p.s. shes still a F****** B****

 

[Zephil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZny0ToTezM&feature=sub

Best Fox vs Best Falco of Panama... EPIC MATCH!!

 

[Zhamy]

Wicked Battlefield.

 

[Lightning93]

Thats why I say Fox v Falco isn't too bad...

That Fox was very good, but he needed to work on little things like more use of his JJC and momentum-canceling was a big deal. Maybe even learn a lil SHTL, but that's really more for show. .

 

[-Mars-]

A top level Japanese Fox against a top level MK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pGR3iCYGcY

 

[Zhamy]

What the hell happened at 2:00?

By the way, there is one trick of YUI's that I really like, which is SH -> nothing -> Utilt behind shield. It's surprisingly safe and keeps your opponents guessing.

 

[GeneralWoodman]

What the hell happened at 2:00?

By the way, there is one trick of YUI's that I really like, which is SH -> nothing -> Utilt behind shield. It's surprisingly safe and keeps your opponents guessing.

a lot of moves can cancel at the ledges peak, i use it with zeldas up b, jiggz sing, pika, and fox
you've probably done it with wolf, its easiest with him

 

[Zhamy]

I figured as much, but it looked like it was intentional. Looked mighty impressive, though.

 

[-Mars-]

I saw Kid or something like that doing phantasm cancels on the edge two times in a row with falco in tournament....it was pretty impressive.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

On youtube, in real life, or livestream?

 

[Lightning93]

On youtube, in real life, or livestream?

Lol, does it matter? You see it you see it. Unless you want the link to the video in this thread? It's kind of a Falco vid tho...

And yeah, TJoe, anyone, I can be part of like a team that helps put the combo vid together.

 

[*plague*]

Lol, does it matter? You see it you see it. Unless you want the link to the video in this thread? It's kind of a Falco vid tho...

And yeah, TJoe, anyone, I can be part of like a team that helps put the combo vid together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzXVkunclOc

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

Lol, does it matter? You see it you see it. Unless you want the link to the video in this thread? It's kind of a Falco vid tho...

And yeah, TJoe, anyone, I can be part of like a team that helps put the combo vid together.

ROFL! I totally read the original post wrong. I thought we were talking about Fox doing illusion cancels.

I guess I never know best.

lzlulzuzluzzluuzzuluzl!!~~!!~!~!~!!

 

[Lightning93]

Luzluzluzluzluzluzluzluz!~!~!~!!~

But yeah, that Falco illusion ledge-cancel thing seemed like a good way to get onstage, he practically landed right on the ground, and was able to lead into a tilt... hmm...

 

[Toronto Joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZny0ToTezM&feature=sub

Best Fox vs Best Falco of Panama... EPIC MATCH!!

very cool...some interesting uses of utilt,kinda scared me when his lead was going to ****s though lol

What the hell happened at 2:00?

By the way, there is one trick of YUI's that I really like, which is SH -> nothing -> Utilt behind shield. It's surprisingly safe and keeps your opponents guessing.

also another cool little trick neo told me that i cant believe i never though of..use SH airdodges to escape situations that you usually would roll out of,makes you less predictable.....SH airdodge > utilt is pretty good also,i see alot of falcos using it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzXVkunclOc

^^^ amazing

 

[C.R.Z]

more shiz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXKO2vzoxao&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-B7_d0K2Us&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ2eNu_HhCE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVBVdLoXZlI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqOO39u1YiY&feature=related

 

[Zephil]

Hey guys more sexy matches but only just one for my Fox which I need urgently critique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw71bnPomjU

the rest are of my friend´s Fox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtBILJGofG8&feature=player_profilepage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Xgndgadgg&feature=channel

P.S. anyone interested here are a couple of matches of my Snake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AJZ2Emg15g&feature=player_profilepage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=097ZUnIDmKs&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y04KuXdxtcE&feature=channel

 

[Zhamy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BayN8GXr1rw

TO Joe (Fox) v Ray Kalm (Old Manondorf)

Watching these as we speak; Joe better win.

EDIT: JOE YOU'RE A ****** WHY DIDN'T YOU CAMP MORE.

Also lulz @ second match, the kills are ********.

Also, you kept Nair/Fair into his shield (or he just SDIed the Fair). Lastly, DI better. Ray barely used Usmash, you should have DIed up like a mofo.