The Fairy with Fighting Spirit: Lip for Smash! *Play Panel de Pon on NSO!*

[NukeA6]

I won't lie though, I would like a Minecraft stage. A fully destructible multi-leveled stage with hidden enemies has to be pretty fun. It would be like Hyrule Temple + Green Greens

 

[MasterRosie]

*Smash 6 adds Roblox Boy in Smash before Lip*
OOOF

 

[N. Onymous]

*Smash 6 adds Roblox Boy in Smash before Lip*
OOOF

Even worse, someone from Fortnite.

 

[Jyl]

This entire Steve discussion wouldn't happen if it wasn't for that dumb "leak" in the first place, which I don't believe.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Here's a question for you. Say the worst-case scenario comes to pass: Verge is right, Steve is in the game, and Smash Ultimate has no retro characters at all. Not Lip, not Mach Rider, not Bubbles or anyone. Just the cube. What would be your reaction?

Likewise, mine would be a reaction of disgust. It would be enough to make me boycott the game. But I refuse to believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

If Steve is in, regardless of whether you like him or not, there is no question about how polarizing he would be as a playable character. I fear his inclusion will be the bolt that sends a devastating shockwave throughout the Smash community and create, more or less, a "civil war" in the Smash fandom that basically tears it apart. Smash discussion forums everywhere will become a toxic battleground for a long time, and many people will trash the game completely.

Steve's inclusion is a doomsday scenario for Smash, in more ways than one. I hope Sakurai truly understands the ramifications of putting Steve in the game if the leakers are right. Smash is teetering on the abyss.

 

[MasterRosie]

Likewise, mine would be a reaction of disgust. It would be enough to make me boycott the game. But I'll believe it when I see it.

If Steve is in, regardless of whether you like him or not, there is no question about how polarizing he would be as a playable character. I fear his inclusion will be the bolt that sends a devastating shockwave throughout the Smash community and create, more or less, a "civil war" in the Smash fandom that basically tears it apart. Smash discussion forums everywhere will become a toxic battleground for a long time, and many people will trash the game completely. It'd be armageddon.

I hope Sakurai truly understands the ramifications of putting Steve in the game if the leakers are right. Smash is teetering on the abyss.

Ironic you mention how him putting Steve in would create backlash, because that’s probably how NoA would feel about having someone like Lip in Smash.
Which makes NO sense, because, Arle.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Ironic you mention how him putting Steve in would create backlash, because that’s probably how NoA would feel about having someone like Lip in Smash.

I fail to see the reasoning behind this. Lip is one of their own characters and would, at worst, be met with reactions of people not knowing who she is. Angered reactions would be fairly rare. Quite the opposite with Steve who is more well known and "offensive" for that reason as well as his horrendous design.

 

[NukeA6]

Likewise, mine would be a reaction of disgust. It would be enough to make me boycott the game. But I refuse to believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

If Steve is in, regardless of whether you like him or not, there is no question about how polarizing he would be as a playable character. I fear his inclusion will be the bolt that sends a devastating shockwave throughout the Smash community and create, more or less, a "civil war" in the Smash fandom that basically tears it apart. Smash discussion forums everywhere will become a toxic battleground for a long time, and many people will trash the game completely.

Steve's inclusion is a doomsday scenario for Smash, in more ways than one. I hope Sakurai truly understands the ramifications of putting Steve in the game if the leakers are right. Smash is teetering on the abyss.

Smash Bros did fine with Bayonetta, Mr. Game & Watch, and Dark Pit. Steve destroying the Smash community? LOL That's a good one.

 

[N. Onymous]

Bayonetta, G&W, and Dark Pit were also not "meme" (as in, few if any unironic supporters over the age of 12) characters from series heavily associated with cringy tweens. There is a pretty significant difference here.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Smash Bros did fine with Bayonetta, Mr. Game & Watch, and Dark Pit. Steve destroying the Smash community? LOL That's a good one.

None of those characters are anywhere near as polarizing as Steve and you know it. Bayonetta got in precisely because she was universally wanted, nobody cares about Dark Pit and Mr. Game and Watch is just a quirky and inoffensive throwback character.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Likewise, mine would be a reaction of disgust. It would be enough to make me boycott the game. But I refuse to believe it until I see it with my own eyes.

If Steve is in, regardless of whether you like him or not, there is no question about how polarizing he would be as a playable character. I fear his inclusion will be the bolt that sends a devastating shockwave throughout the Smash community and create, more or less, a "civil war" in the Smash fandom that basically tears it apart. Smash discussion forums everywhere will become a toxic battleground for a long time, and many people will trash the game completely.

Steve's inclusion is a doomsday scenario for Smash, in more ways than one. I hope Sakurai truly understands the ramifications of putting Steve in the game if the leakers are right. Smash is teetering on the abyss.

The sad thing is we can already see this happening. This game has one of the greatest speculation periods I’ve ever seen, people were hopping around to other threads to wish other fanbases luck with their characters. Then stuff like the Steve leak and the Box theory happened and now people are at each other’s throats, because they’re afraid whatever hopes or support or ballot push they had was for naught.

People can debate all day about whether Minecraft hate is deserved or mature or whatever, but they can’t change the fact that it exists, and it would split the fandom completely.

Smash Bros did fine with Bayonetta, Mr. Game & Watch, and Dark Pit. Steve destroying the Smash community? LOL That's a good one.

You’re mental if you think it’s comparable outrage. Hell, why are you making up a controversy around Game & Watch when there was none? You could have said Corrin.

 

[N. Onymous]

There was a bit of annoyance that Mr. Game & Watch was in the game back when Melee was new, but that's largely faded. Corrin would indeed be a better example.

 

[PsychoJosh]

I barely recall any controversy from Mr. Game and Watch. If there was any it was so small that it barely even registered as a hiccup. Nothing compared to Steve where the mere RUMOR of his inclusion is enough to get tons of people riled up.

Open your eyes. Steve is a rectangular meteor that is coming to wipe everything out.

 

[NukeA6]

You’re mental if you think it’s comparable outrage. Hell, why are you making up a controversy around Game & Watch when there was none? You could have said Corrin.

You got two planning to boycott the biggest Smash Bros ever made over one character but I'm mental because I think Steve's outrage would be comparable to Bayonetta's and Dark Pit's? Sure, whatever you say.

And I do remember some butthurt over Mr. Game & Watch. It wasn't much but there weren't so many crybabies then as they are now. Were he released today, there would be an outrage.

 

[N. Onymous]

You got two planning to boycott the biggest Smash Bros ever made over one character

Which is ignoring who that character is and what he stands for.

 

[NukeA6]

Which is ignoring who that character is and what he stands for.

You can also ignore the character by not playing as him. It's what I did with Pichu in Melee and Olimar in Brawl.

 

[PsychoJosh]

You got two planning to boycott the biggest Smash Bros ever made over one character but I'm mental because I think Steve's outrage would be comparable to Bayonetta's and Dark Pit's? Sure, whatever you say.

And I do remember some butthurt over Mr. Game & Watch. It wasn't much but there weren't so many crybabies then as they are now. Were he released today, there would be an outrage.

You are just demonstrably wrong and making disingenuous claims. We're already seeing fights happening over the mere rumor of Steve being included, just as a preview of what will happen if he gets confirmed. Did Bayonetta and Dark Pit have anywhere near that kind of polarizing effect? If you say yes, you are a liar. I was one of the people who disliked Dark Pit and even I could see that most people's reactions were just one of mild disappointment that could be shrugged off. People all over are threatening to sell their switches and not buy the game over Steve being in the game. Really, you're just living in denial at this point.

It is a normal reaction to not buy the game for reasons like this. Newcomers are the entire reason you buy new Smash games and I don't care about any of the newcomers revealed so far. I'm pulling for several underdog characters to get their recognition. If they don't, and a crappy character like Steve gets in on top of them, then of course I'm going to be upset. Who wouldn't be? If you're unhappy with the roster they chose you simply don't buy it because that's basically the only selling point of a new Smash game. I don't care about the new modes that most people are only going to touch once and then never play again. I don't have to buy it if I don't like the roster. Saying it's just "because of one character" is intellectually dishonest, you know it's more faceted than that.

 

[Jyl]

You got two planning to boycott the biggest Smash Bros ever made over one character but I'm mental because I think Steve's outrage would be comparable to Bayonetta's and Dark Pit's? Sure, whatever you say.

And I do remember some butthurt over Mr. Game & Watch. It wasn't much but there weren't so many crybabies then as they are now. Were he released today, there would be an outrage.

You got two planning to boycott the biggest Smash Bros ever made over one character but I'm mental because I think Steve's outrage would be comparable to Bayonetta's and Dark Pit's? Sure, whatever you say.

And I do remember some butthurt over Mr. Game & Watch. It wasn't much but there weren't so many crybabies then as they are now. Were he released today, there would be an outrage.

Boycott isn't the same as disappointment about Steve. I don't know where you are browsing, but from what I'm seeing, there are plenty of people that are disappointment about the mere RUMOR that Steve's in. Like someone already said; the mere rumor of that thing is already spliting the community, a rumor that has no concrete proof besides the fact that it's from vergenben the "reliable" leaker. Many WILL be disappointed but because it's Smash, they will buy it anyway.

 

[N. Onymous]

You can also ignore the character by not playing as him. It's what I did with Pichu in Melee and Olimar in Brawl.

As I've said, even if I don't play as Steve, that won't negate his existence. He'll still be in the single-player modes, online, and on the character select. He'll still come up in the random character rotation.

 

[NukeA6]

You are just demonstrably wrong and making disingenuous claims. We're already seeing fights happening over the mere rumor of Steve being included, just as a preview of what will happen if he gets confirmed. Did Bayonetta and Dark Pit have anywhere near that kind of polarizing effect? If you say yes, you are a liar. I was one of the people who disliked Dark Pit and even I could see that most people's reactions were just one of mild disappointment that could be shrugged off. People all over are threatening to sell their switches and not buy the game over Steve being in the game. Really, you're just living in denial at this point.

LOL I'm living in denial? There was a massive outrage over Bayonetta and there are still plenty convinced that Dark Pit is the worst addition to Smash Bros. But let's drop the subject because you're all getting a bit too emotional here and most of us don't believe Vergeben so what's the use?

 

[N. Onymous]

I really do think people's reactions to just the suggestion from a credible source that Steve might be in the game as a playable character (not even "will definitely be") is indicative of just what a controversial decision putting him in the game would be, especially considering the ol' blockhead would be making it in before/instead of any number of more popular characters: Geno, Isaac, Banjo, you name it. If it turns out that Steve is indeed a playable character, then... I just hope Nintendo knows what they're getting themselves into.

 

[PsychoJosh]

LOL I'm living in denial? There was a massive outrage over Bayonetta and there are still plenty convinced that Dark Pit is the worst addition to Smash Bros. But let's drop the subject because you're all getting a bit too emotional here and most of us don't believe Vergeben so what's the use?

Yes you're living in denial. Three people have come out now and pointed out that you're the only one who remembers things such as a "massive outrage" over Bayonetta and Dark Pit. Most of us just remember a handful of disappointed people drowned out by the hype and disbelief that Bayonetta got in. The onus is on you to prove your claims or just wrap it up and be done.

 

[Luigifan18]

I don't even get why this thread, of all places, is getting so salty over Steve, and I don't even particularly care for Steve (Sackboy would be far more interesting, lol). Steve and Lip aren't directly competing for a slot. Lip's closest competition is other retro characters, like Mike Jones, Geno (yes, he apparently counts), and Urban Champion.

 

[N. Onymous]

I don't even get why this thread, of all places, is getting so salty over Steve, and I don't even particularly care for Steve (Sackboy would be far more interesting, lol). Steve and Lip aren't directly competing for a slot. Lip's closest competition is other retro characters, like Mike Jones, Geno (yes, he apparently counts), and Urban Champion.

Well, Mike Jones is out for being US/Europe-exclusive, and Urban Champion...what would his moveset even be? Geno is her only real competition in that regard.

 

[NukeA6]

Yes you're living in denial. Three people have come out now and pointed out that you're the only one who remembers things such as a "massive outrage" over Bayonetta and Dark Pit. Most of us just remember a handful of disappointed people drowned out by the hype and disbelief that Bayonetta got in. The onus is on you to prove your claims or just wrap it up and be done.

Still continuing? LOL All you're doing is projecting your butthurt over something that may not be true.

 

[Jyl]

I don't even get why this thread, of all places, is getting so salty over Steve, and I don't even particularly care for Steve (Sackboy would be far more interesting, lol). Steve and Lip aren't directly competing for a slot. Lip's closest competition is other retro characters, like Mike Jones, Geno (yes, he apparently counts), and Urban Champion.

You are right, why are we discussing this leak in a character support thread?
It helps keep this thread alive I guess.

 

[PsychoJosh]

So, you can't prove your claims, so the conversation's done then.

 

[N. Onymous]

You are right, why are we discussing this leak in a character support thread?
It helps keep this thread alive I guess.

That said, I feel like we should try and steer the discussion of the Lip thread back in the direction of a certain flower fairy we all know. It's my fault for bringing it up in the first place anyway.

 

[NukeA6]

That said, I feel like we should try and steer the discussion of the Lip thread back in the direction of a certain flower fairy we all know. It's my fault for bringing it up in the first place anyway.

It's inevitably going to happen again. I mean, it's not even the first time you got all mopey over Lip because of a leak. I'd imagine you won't like the news of Vergeben correctly leaking female Skull-o-Mania for SNK Gal Fighters four months (which just got confirmed today) and how it adds credibility to his "leaks".

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Smash's fanbase isn't exactly the most stable in the first place. It's barely more civil than Sonic's.

That said, Minecraft's Nintendo releases were really recent in 2017, so unless they knew he'd be huge enough to show up on a Nintendo console two years after the Ultimate plans started, whether they included him or not is ambiguous at this stage.

I don't even get why this thread, of all places, is getting so salty over Steve, and I don't even particularly care for Steve (Sackboy would be far more interesting, lol). Steve and Lip aren't directly competing for a slot. Lip's closest competition is other retro characters, like Mike Jones, Geno (yes, he apparently counts), and Urban Champion.

I don't think Urban Champion can remotely be a threat if no one seriously considers him that much in the first place.

In terms of puzzle characters, Qbby from Box Boy might be a concern, since his series started in 2015.

 

[Luigifan18]

You are right, why are we discussing this leak in a character support thread?
It helps keep this thread alive I guess.

Just because Minecraft is firmly in Fandom Hell doesn't mean it's a bad game.

 

[Jyl]

Just because Minecraft is firmly in Fandom Hell doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Well I never implied it's bad though?
I don't judge game I haven't played.

 

[N. Onymous]

It's inevitably going to happen again. I mean, it's not even the first time you got all mopey over Lip because of a leak. I'd imagine you won't like the news of Vergeben correctly leaking female Skull-o-Mania for SNK Gal Fighters four months (which just got confirmed today) and how it adds credibility to his "leaks".

Verge has multiple industry insiders, alleged or otherwise, giving him info. Just because some of them are accurate doesn't mean all of them are.

Let's drop the top of Minecraft and leaks and get back on topic. Who's your favorite Panel de Pon character?

 

[PsychoJosh]

Well keep in mind Vergeben never confirmed if Steve is playable. He only said Minecraft content may show up and has heard murmurs of a possible playable character but nothing concrete. It's still up in the air.

 

[Jyl]

Verge has multiple industry insiders, alleged or otherwise, giving him info. Just because some of them are accurate doesn't mean all of them are.

Let's drop the top of Minecraft and leaks and get back on topic. Who's your favorite Panel de Pon character?

Lip and Ruby, I just like their design the best.
Also the manual claims Lip is a tomboy but we never really see her "tomboyish" side. I hope they do show it in Smash.

 

[N. Onymous]

Also the manual claims Lip is a tomboy but we never really see her "tomboyish" side. I hope they do show it in Smash.

We do. It's just express more through her word/grammar choices (in Japanese) and actions than her character design. The ponytail as well, to some degree.

Another reason I'd like for Panel de Pon to come back is so the girls can gt the development they deserve. The game provides the threads for interesting characters, but puzzlers don't really have much room for development. Unless they're Puyo Puyo. When's the Panepon x Puyo Puyo crossover, Nintendo/Sega?

 

[Jyl]

We do. It's just express more through her word/grammar choices (in Japanese) and actions than her character design. The ponytail as well, to some degree.

Another reason I'd like for Panel de Pon to come back is so the girls can gt the development they deserve. The game provides the threads for interesting characters, but puzzlers don't really have much room for development. Unless they're Puyo Puyo. When's the Panepon x Puyo Puyo crossover, Nintendo/Sega?

I guess it was lost in translation in the fan translation then?
The lore of PdP is interesting. I did read somewhere Ruby is the actual leader of the fairies. I do want more PdP just for more character interactions and background infos.

 

[N. Onymous]

The lore of PdP is interesting. I did read somewhere Ruby is the actual leader of the fairies. I do want more PdP just for more character interactions and background infos.

The term the Japanese game uses is "kage no leader", which carries the implication that she's the one who's holding the group together behind the scenes. Like the team mom, almost.

 

[Jyl]

The term the Japanese game uses is "kage no leader", which carries the implication that she's the one who's holding the group together behind the scenes. Like the team mom, almost.

Shadow leader? That's neat. Now I want to learn more.

 

[Jurae818]

Mike Jones. Hoo boy, If there's one thing you can take comfort in, it's not being a Startropics fan. Panel de Pon has the merit of being in Japan. The former, not so much. It'll be a miracle if it gets a mention in Smash. For me, I've been fond of Windy as of late. Another idea I had after I woke up was Lip and Windy working like an Ice Climbers duo, replacing their ice chunks with panel blocks. Maybe a modder could look into that...