The Fairy with Fighting Spirit: Lip for Smash! *Play Panel de Pon on NSO!*

[N. Onymous]

Here’s a fun question:
Sakurai will put Lip in Smash, but you have to give up one of your previous mains in exchange. Who would you be willing to give up for Lip?

For me.....Sonic.
As much as I like him for his personality, I’d feel more upset to lose or .

I'd gladly give up Dr. Mario if it meant getting Lippy, for the simple fact that no one cares about Dr. Mario.

 

[StarDustStorm]

Here’s a fun question:
Sakurai will put Lip in Smash, but you have to give up one of your previous mains in exchange. Who would you be willing to give up for Lip?

Dr. Mario for Lip or Arle. Arle is definitely important to the history of Puzzle games,

Remember when they did the Ryu DLC, they actually advertised other fighting game series that isn't just Street Fighter via Mii outfits such as Tekken, Virtua Fighter. Henchi was originally considered to be a fighter but due to something about his moveset being complex to make.
Since it was the first time fighting game characters are in Smash it was a nice way to introduce the genre to Smash.
Maybe they might do the same thing if they decided to put Arle in Smash Bros. as DLC along with other Puzzle game related content that isn't Puyo Puyo, like what about release her with other puzzle game related content from some of Nintendo's puzzle games, such as Kirby Star Stacker, Yoshi Cookie, and more Dr. Mario stuff. Panel de Pon and Lip would be perfect to promote alongside Arle if she gets in Smash revealed in some way.
There's a chance it might not happen due to really only being really only one relevant Puzzle game featuring characters. Tekken and Street Fighter are big and they are 3rd party so that was the reason some content was featured in SSB4. Plus we don't know if Miis can have outifts this time around and how will DLC be presented in Ultimate after the game comes out.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Here’s a fun question:
Sakurai will put Lip in Smash, but you have to give up one of your previous mains in exchange. Who would you be willing to give up for Lip?

For me.....Sonic.
As much as I like him for his personality, I’d feel more upset to lose or .

That's tough.

I suppose Dedede because I love Rosalina and DK is a main protagonist. That'd be a tough one to give up.

 

[Jyl]

Dr. Mario for Lip or Arle. Arle is definitely important to the history of Puzzle games,

Remember when they did the Ryu DLC, they actually advertised other fighting game series that isn't just Street Fighter via Mii outfits such as Tekken, Virtua Fighter. Henchi was originally considered to be a fighter but due to something about his moveset being complex to make.
Since it was the first time fighting game characters are in Smash it was a nice way to introduce the genre to Smash.
Maybe they might do the same thing if they decided to put Arle in Smash Bros. as DLC along with other Puzzle game related content that isn't Puyo Puyo, like what about release her with other puzzle game related content from some of Nintendo's puzzle games, such as Kirby Star Stacker, Yoshi Cookie, and more Dr. Mario stuff. Panel de Pon and Lip would be perfect to promote alongside Arle if she gets in Smash revealed in some way.
There's a chance it might not happen due to really only being really only one relevant Puzzle game featuring characters. Tekken and Street Fighter are big and they are 3rd party so that was the reason some content was featured in SSB4. Plus we don't know if Miis can have outifts this time around and how will DLC be presented in Ultimate after the game comes out.

You know I really doubt Arle will get in over Lip first despite being more popular and despite Puyo Puyo getting a revival of sorts.
It's just a gut feeling but I don't think Sakurai would do it.

 

[StarDustStorm]

You know I really doubt Arle will get in over Lip first despite being more popular and despite Puyo Puyo getting a revival of sorts.
It's just a gut feeling but I don't think Sakurai would do it.

But Arle is a possible opportunity to market Lip into Smash Ultimate, since it would be clear to Nintendo that a series that is previously rebranded is no longer known as a Sonic or Kirby game. The market of Puzzle games will change outside Japan if Arle gets into Smash Ultimate.
Arle is important to the history of video games for the Puzzle Game genre. Ironically many games that were inspired by Puyo Puyo did get releases outside Japan but not really for the Puyo Puyo series. She even has a better connection and relationship to Nintendo overall compared to Lip.
Unless you are going to say that Arle can't be in Smash because Lip is Japan only and he might not include either of them because of that.
Puyo Puyo fans don't really believe its a barrier to Arle's inclusion this includes me too.
However a possible barrier to Arle being included to Smash in the first place is how her series is commonly treated in SEGA crossovers. No characters has ever appeared, even the recent SEGA Puzzle mobile game for some odd reason despite the success of Puyo Puyo Tetris. Maybe because they were previously owned by compile or when they did the Tennis game it was because the latest game was released during that time. SEGA might say no though but Puyo Puyo is reaching a different phase outside of Japan since they might localize the Esports game

 

[Jyl]

But Arle is a possible opportunity to market Lip into Smash Ultimate, since it would be clear to Nintendo that a series that is previously rebranded is no longer known as a Sonic or Kirby game. The market of Puzzle games will change outside Japan if Arle gets into Smash Ultimate.
Arle is important to the history of video games for the Puzzle Game genre. Ironically many games that were inspired by Puyo Puyo did get releases outside Japan but not really for the Puyo Puyo series. She even has a better connection and relationship to Nintendo overall compared to Lip.
Unless you are going to say that Arle can't be in Smash because Lip is Japan only and he might not include either of them because of that.
Puyo Puyo fans don't really believe its a barrier to Arle's inclusion this includes me too.

I mean I understand what you mean and it's a valid argument.
But I just have a feeling Sakurai won't add a 3rd party puzzle rep over a first party one, even if that first party Puzzle game is dead. Of course this is all assuming Sakurai still holds Panel de Pon highly in his heart.

 

[StarDustStorm]

I mean I understand what you mean and it's a valid argument.
But I just have a feeling Sakurai won't add a 3rd party puzzle rep over a first party one, even if that first party Puzzle game is dead. Of course this is all assuming Sakurai still holds Panel de Pon highly in his heart.

There hasn't been any new Panel de Pon content that Sakurai has taken from since Meteos. Brawl after that just had the Lip's Stick item and Garbage Block return again. It doesn't even mention her since that game in the trophy. The remixes and stickers don't count much since its just to represent every franchise. The only recent thing was the redesigned Flower effect but that's all for now, but he's trying to make touches to everything in the game. Unless if he did something with the Lip's Stick trophy and made her actually appear in it this time around similarly to what he did with the final smashes.
Poo, Paula, (after having no trophy since Brawl) Kumatora, and Boney finally appear in Smash Bros. when they were previously referenced or mentioned in Brawl and Sm4sh. The other final smash characters aren't really notable since they did have trophies in the previous game though.

 

[StarDustStorm]

Other than that its obvious that Sakurai is trying to make characters who didn't appear before make some type of appearance.

 

[Jyl]

There hasn't been any new Panel de Pon content that Sakurai has taken from since Meteos. Brawl after that just had the Lip's Stick item and Garbage Block return again. It doesn't even mention her since that game in the trophy. The remixes and stickers don't count much since its just to represent every franchise. The only recent thing was the redesigned Flower effect but that's all for now, but he's trying to make touches to everything in the game. Unless if he did something with the Lip's Stick trophy and made her actually appear in it this time around similarly to what he did with the final smashes.
Poo, Paula, (after having no trophy since Brawl) Kumatora, and Boney finally appear in Smash Bros. when they were previously referenced or mentioned in Brawl and Sm4sh. The other final smash characters aren't really notable since they did have trophies in the previous game though.

Yeah I hated it that the stick's trophy don't even mention her. What the hell Nintendo.

 

[N. Onymous]

Yeah I hated it that the stick's trophy don't even mention her. What the hell Nintendo.

It's annoying. And what's even more annoying is that if Lip doesn't appear anywhere in Ultimate, the trophy here probably won't bother to mention her either. And what's even more annoying than that is that there's a very good chance it will list the item as coming from Tetris Attack.

 

[MasterRosie]

I’d personally rather see Lip in smash before Arle. I don’t hate Arle or anything, but adding another SEGA rep after and when Nintendo’s own puzzle mascot could use a bigger push?! I get Arle is bigger now because of SEGA releasing Puyo Puyo games worldwide, but I could see Sakurai putting Lip in smash first to promote PdP similar to what he did with in Brawl, which led to Uprising. If he or someone else takes over the smash series in the future, (which I think WILL continue, smash is too big of a series to end, and smash alone gives Nintendo the big bucks) then maybe Lip and Arle could both be in. This is just what I think.

Also, yeah, I too find it rather...odd how Nintendo swept Lip under the rug in the trophy description of the trophy labeled LIP’S STICK.

Nintendo, just give Lip the attention she needs already. A 3D PdP game would be gorgeous and you know it. Don’t sleep on what is essentially a gold mine.

 

[Jyl]

Other than that its obvious that Sakurai is trying to make characters who didn't appear before make some type of appearance.

Hope that includes some obscure and forgotten characters.
Super Mario Maker is giving me hope Nintendo is trying to revive some of these dead series.

 

[StarDustStorm]

I've always thought that showing Lucas in Lip's reveal trailer in the location of the Panel de Pon title screen would be perfect. Since a location in Mother 3 is sort of like it minus the the lack of Sunflowers though which would have a different meaning for the scene would change if they did the reveal that way. Pink flowers would mean love, gratitude, and appreciation. Orange flowers would mean enthusiasm and passion.

 

[N. Onymous]

Nintendo, just give Lip the attention she needs already. A 3D PdP game would be gorgeous and you know it. Don’t sleep on what is essentially a gold mine.

I really do think Panel de Pon has the potential to stand alongside huge names like Mario and Zelda if marketed correctly.

 

[Jyl]

I really do think Panel de Pon has the potential to stand alongside huge names like Mario and Zelda if marketed correctly.

The timing of her game's release killed it sadly.

I've always thought that showing Lucas in Lip's reveal trailer in the location of the Panel de Pon title screen would be perfect. Since a location in Mother 3 is sort of like it minus the the lack of Sunflowers though which would have a different meaning for the scene would change if they did the reveal that way. Pink flowers would mean love, gratitude, and appreciation. Orange flowers would mean enthusiasm and passion.

Not a bad idea but it just has to include Yoshi and Pikachu for obvious reasons.
Whatever he does for her trailer Sakurai won't disappoint. I was pleasantly surprised with K Rool's reveal.

 

[NukeA6]

It's annoying. And what's even more annoying is that if Lip doesn't appear anywhere in Ultimate, the trophy here probably won't bother to mention her either. And what's even more annoying than that is that there's a very good chance it will list the item as coming from Tetris Attack.

It was always listed as being in Panel de Pon since Melee. Why would they even say it came from Tetris Attack when the series has been known as Puzzle League for some time now?

 

[Luigifan18]

I've been watching that animated series posted a few pages back, and holy cow, that's some high-level play. Also, I really want to play Panel de Pon/Puzzle League again. When's it coming to Switch Online? Or better yet, a new game?

 

[smashkirby]

I really do think Panel de Pon has the potential to stand alongside huge names like Mario and Zelda if marketed correctly.

If I may be so bold, I'd go as far as to say that if Nintendo marketed Panel de Pon correctly and gave it enough promotion, that series could easily serve as Nintendo's mobile mascot (alongside Mario, of course).

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm a bit surprised Nintendo hasn't given Japan Panel de Pon yet...

 

[Crap-Zapper]

If I may be so bold, I'd go as far as to say that if Nintendo marketed Panel de Pon correctly and gave it enough promotion, that series could easily serve as Nintendo's mobile mascot (alongside Mario, of course).

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm a bit surprised Nintendo hasn't given Japan Panel de Pon yet...

That would be a mobile title I'd love to have.

 

[N. Onymous]

It was always listed as being in Panel de Pon since Melee. Why would they even say it came from Tetris Attack when the series has been known as Puzzle League for some time now?

Ask Nintendo of Europe.

 

[Jyl]

I've been watching that animated series posted a few pages back, and holy cow, that's some high-level play. Also, I really want to play Panel de Pon/Puzzle League again. When's it coming to Switch Online? Or better yet, a new game?

Nothing as of yet. The latest puzzle league content is the mini game in Animal Crossing.
Sad times we live in.

 

[N. Onymous]

Nothing as of yet. The latest puzzle league content is the mini game in Animal Crossing.
Sad times we live in.

We can always keep our fingers crossed that the series will experience a large-scale, commercially successfully revival on the Switch that's true to its roots (i.e. has the fairy characters, and hopefully Lip too) and released in the US and Europe unedited. That's all we can really do at this point. There's hearsay that Nintendo will use the Switch to reintroduce its dormant IPs to a new audience, and I'm really hoping they're not just talking about ones international players would recognize. As a fun bonus, it would make Lip getting a physical appearance in Smash Bros. all but guaranteed.

 

[StarDustStorm]

We can always keep our fingers crossed that the series will experience a large-scale, commercially successfully revival on the Switch that's true to its roots (i.e. has the fairy characters, and hopefully Lip too) and released in the US and Europe unedited. That's all we can really do at this point. There's hearsay that Nintendo will use the Switch to reintroduce its dormant IPs to a new audience, and I'm really hoping they're not just talking about ones international players would recognize. As a fun bonus, it would make Lip getting a physical appearance in Smash Bros. all but guaranteed.

Recently we know that Golden Sun and Rhythm Heaven has gotten a trademark.
I don't know if Nintendo will trademark Puzzle League this time around, but the problem is that there is a mode called Puzzle League is kind of a common term. The 2nd problem is that its actually the name of the online vs. mode in Puyo Puyo Tetris. Which is a successful puzzle game outside of Japan. Puyo Pop is no longer being used as a trademark, but instead its the Japanese name, Puyo Puyo outside of Japan.
So maybe, they might trademark Panel de Pon if a new game is to be made.

If you use Pokemon or Yoshi characters again, it will probably have hard time to stand out from the saturated amount of Pokemon and Mario games. Japan would surely be disappointed since there was a couple of Panel de Pon stuff shown to them each year such as the Pdp Mini game in new leaf, and the inclusion in the SFC mini. In the contrary, people who found out about the Lip stage in Pokemon Puzzle Challenge and/or the Lip outfit and has interest to see her in a new game would probably be disappointed too. I know that Nintendo does read Miiverse posts which can be why they didn't remove the Lip outfit in New Leaf outside of Japan. Localization would cost more if they were just to leave the fairies exclusive to Japan and if they did their usually business with rebranding again. Compared to the other obscure NES/FC/SFC/SNES era Nintendo characters, that would make her pretty lucky.

 

[N. Onymous]

Oversaturating the market with spinoffs and reimaginings is what caused the Mega Man series to grind to a halt in the mid-2010s. I really hope Nintendo and Game Freak are more prudent than to risk losing the good will towards even two of their most profitable franchises by flooding the market with spinoffs. As much as I may hate Tetris Attack for ruining everything that I found appealing about Panel de Pon besides (most of) the lovely music, yours has to be a cold, cold heart to not like the Mario series as a whole, and I don't want to see it disappear.

...That kind of went off on a weird tangent. Point being, if Panel de Pon is to come back, it's for the best, for both itself and any potential reskins, if it sticks to its guns and uses the fairies instead of repainting itself for the dozenth time.

 

[StarDustStorm]

Oversaturating the market with spinoffs and reimaginings is what caused the Mega Man series to grind to a halt in the mid-2010s. I really hope Nintendo and Game Freak are more prudent than to risk losing the good will towards even two of their most profitable franchises by flooding the market with spinoffs. As much as I may hate Tetris Attack for ruining everything that I found appealing about Panel de Pon besides (most of) the lovely music, yours has to be a cold, cold heart to not like the Mario series as a whole, and I don't want to see it disappear.

...That kind of went off on a weird tangent. Point being, if Panel de Pon is to come back, it's for the best, for both itself and any potential reskins, if it sticks to its guns and uses the fairies instead of repainting itself for the dozenth time.

I do like the Mario IPs, people who did end up liking the fairies more might of not even end up finding out about the series if they didn't release anything at all or put the fairies in which wasn't marketable at the time. Its just that for spin-offs. Mario IPs are more known for platformers, sports games, party or racing. Pokemon in the other hand for that fanbase, they are more known for the card game series, anime, games, or making discussion videos about the lore. (+ Pokemon Go) Those are the main hubs of those two respective fanbases, so puzzle games aren't nearly as popular for that series for Mario if its a Puzzle game, it might as well be Dr. Mario. Others that aren't in that category would be in the bottom of the list. The skill gap for a spin-off based on Panel de Pon's gameplay is a bit high for your typical spin-off for Mario & Pokemon. I know there's people who got into it, but there's always be people who wasn't into the game; which is a response I hear when people play Dr. Mario.
Will you see fan art with Mario or Pokemon with gameplay from Panel de Pon? Not really, it would be very rare. Because that Puzzle Game series is not really their identity, more like in place of another IP. You would see fanart of the Panel de Pon cast interacting with the Panels though.

 

[FooltheFlames]

Here's a question for you. Say the worst-case scenario comes to pass: Verge is right, Steve is in the game, and Smash Ultimate has no retro characters at all. Not Lip, not Mach Rider, not Bubbles or anyone. Just the cube. What would be your reaction?

My reaction would be the same as Kirby in this video:

Sakurai makes his son Kirby cry by adding steve to Smash!

On the topic of Lip though, I had the producer of this Google forms poll add our Lippy as a late choice:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ZPMtKfCsaYKB_NoS_NsX5RyVolJVDNcWh2hYAJnzvE4

You'll now see Lip as one of the choices near the bottom. Please consider supporting Lip on this poll before time runs out for it y'all~

 

[MasterRosie]

My reaction would be the same as Kirby in this video:

Sakurai makes his son Kirby cry by adding steve to Smash!

On the topic of Lip though, I had the producer of this Google forms poll add our Lippy as a late choice:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ZPMtKfCsaYKB_NoS_NsX5RyVolJVDNcWh2hYAJnzvE4

You'll now see Lip as one of the choices near the bottom. Please consider supporting Lip on this poll before time runs out for it y'all~

Well, Kirby definitely took it better than I would have.
I’d go down on my knees, look up at the sky, and yell, “WHHHHYYYYYY????”

But, yeah, I hope Lip places decently on the poll.
Lip being the unexpected retro rep would seal the deal for me.

Imagine tho if PdP got sudden deluxe treatment with Lip, a Furil echo, a stage, a remix of each fairy theme, a PdP medley, Thanatos as a boss in this game’s apparent ‘Spirit’ mode, and Sakurai announced an upcoming PdP game on the switch for 2019 or 2020? I know this isn’t gonna happen, but....ugh.

Maybe Kain as an AT since Furil would be there. Just to give the GameCube ver some attention.

 

[FooltheFlames]

Well, Kirby definitely took it better than I would have.
I’d go down on my knees, look up at the sky, and yell, “WHHHHYYYYYY????”

But, yeah, I hope Lip places decently on the poll.
Lip being the unexpected retro rep would seal the deal for me.

Imagine tho if PdP got sudden deluxe treatment with Lip, a Furil echo, a stage, a remix of each fairy theme, a PdP medley, Thanatos as a boss in this game’s apparent ‘Spirit’ mode, and Sakurai announced an upcoming PdP game on the switch for 2019 or 2020? I know this isn’t gonna happen, but....ugh.

Maybe Kain as an AT since Furil would be there. Just to give the GameCube ver some attention.

I've been addicted to replaying and posting this video everywhere as of late. It just sums up my feelings so perfectly- Kirby in this is me yo! D:

I've been sharing the poll around to places who support characters like Lip so I hope so~

If only.
If she makes it into the base roster, she's going to be that Sakurai surprise choice character for sure that's my only hope.

For Smash Ultimate that is. I have plenty of hope that Panel de Pon will be revived one day, by some means. It's only a matter of time and perseverance right? I can only pray that time is now..

 

[StarDustStorm]

To extend about to previously what I was talking about, you would at least see for Puzzle games in the Mario series. Mario & Yoshi would be seen with the capsules/viruses, or those Yoshi cookies.
Also when Nintendo starts re-releasing Gamecube games on the Nintendo Switch, do you think Nintendo Puzzle Collection will be released in Japan or do you think Yoshi's Cookie being delisted in October 2013 will give this game collection issues from ever being re-released? Mario's Chef hat from Yoshi's Cookie was seen in Mario Odyssey. Game & Watch Gallery 3 & 4 had Yoshi's Cookie references in that game to which was re-released in 2016 despite YC being delisted on the Wii VC. I know the cookies do appear in other games I described but I think its worth noting the re-releases of the released 2 VC games. Unless if the game engine was owned by Bullet Proof Software. It would be a shame for Panel de Pon's sequel to be stuck this way, like how Madou Monogatari can't be re-released. (Which is how Puyo Puyo got started before the creation of that series)

While yes you may argue they can't just re-release Dr. Mario & Panel de Pon's game in that collection individually but that would feel weird for Japanese gamers to separate the games. Or re-releasing the N64 of Dr. Mario which wasn't released in that region, it would be like re-releasing the Japanese version of TA (Yoshi no Panepon, not Panel de Pon) in the outside of Japan but without a language option.
Of course one exception is if there really was a Japanese Panel de Pon 64 (not PPL) rom that actually existed the whole time as evident (can't be lost though) with how they converted Dr. Mario & Panel de Pon into the collection, but in the end its really weather or not if they are willing to release that version.

 

[Jyl]

To extend about to previously what I was talking about, you would at least see for Puzzle games in the Mario series. Mario & Yoshi would be seen with the capsules/viruses, or those Yoshi cookies.
Also when Nintendo starts re-releasing Gamecube games on the Nintendo Switch, do you think Nintendo Puzzle Collection will be released in Japan or do you think Yoshi's Cookie being delisted in October 2013 will give this game collection issues from ever being re-released? Mario's Chef hat from Yoshi's Cookie was seen in Mario Odyssey. Game & Watch Gallery 3 & 4 had Yoshi's Cookie references in that game to which was re-released in 2016 despite YC being delisted on the Wii VC. I know the cookies do appear in other games I described but I think its worth noting the re-releases of the released 2 VC games. Unless if the game engine was owned by Bullet Proof Software. It would be a shame for Panel de Pon's sequel to be stuck this way, like how Madou Monogatari can't be re-released. (Which is how Puyo Puyo got started before the creation of that series)

While yes you may argue they can't just re-release Dr. Mario & Panel de Pon's game in that collection individually but that would feel weird for Japanese gamers to separate the games. Or re-releasing the N64 of Dr. Mario which wasn't released in that region, it would be like re-releasing the Japanese version of TA (Yoshi no Panepon, not Panel de Pon) in the outside of Japan but without a language option.
Of course one exception is if there really was a Japanese Panel de Pon 64 (not PPL) rom that actually existed the whole time as evident (can't be lost though) with how they converted Dr. Mario & Panel de Pon into the collection, but in the end its really weather or not if they are willing to release that version.

They could release those games individually via Virtual Console. No idea why Nintendo hasn't yet thighs when it's clear Japan still loves puzzle games. This company sometimes..

 

[Luigifan18]

Hey, can I be added to the supporters list, please?

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Speaking of Mario..... remember the Sprixies? Kinda reminds me of Panel De Pon

 

[BluePikmin11]

When I think of Panel de Pon and fairies now, I only think of this:

(This would probably be my reaction if Lip was revealed)

 

[MasterRosie]

When I think of Panel de Pon and fairies now, I only think of this:

(This would probably be my reaction if Lip was revealed)

Lol, as if Jigglypuff wasn’t Fairy enough for Crocker.

If Gardevoir also makes it into Smash, he’ll have a heart attack.

 

[smash puffle]

I really want to support you guys, so can you please add me to the support list? Thank you!

 

[Teeb147]

Go Lip!
You can add me as a supporter too.

It would be cool if she has some kind of a chance

 

[NukeA6]

We're getting a sudden wave of Lip support. If only Nintendo can see us now.

 

[MasterRosie]

Wow, I feel stupid.
I’ve been here for pages, and I haven’t asked to be added to Lip’s support group.
Well, no time like the present. Count me in. The more the merrier.
After all, who DOESN’T want to see Mario vs Shadow vs Ridley vs Inkling vs Lip vs Isabelle vs Simon vs King K Rool unfold?

 

[N. Onymous]

The more time passes and the more people join Lip's support base, the sillier the people who trot out the old "but nobody knows or cares about her" excuse look.

 

[Jyl]

The more time passes and the more people join Lip's support base, the sillier the people who trot out the old "but nobody knows or cares about her" excuse look.

I think Sakurai is the only one who thinks this.
I meant after Operation Rainfall and Xenoblade, it's clear Nintendo knows there is a fanbase for Japanese only things in the West. Only dear Sakurai's mind is stuck in the past, which is the one thing I hate Sakurai for. His comment regarding why Takamaru will never get in due to obscurity never fails to make me sad.