The DK Match Up Thread.

[ZxChrono]

yeah i agree on that. i played mogX too, lost as well lol. anyways heres vids of some kirby that i played on AiB, he didnt want his name to be known so yeah.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7959900&postcount=7

 

[thrillagorilla]

Basically with DK always DI towards the stage if you can. Try not to get your second jump taken away. and you will avoid gimps. CERTAINLY do not do what I did in all my deaths in the match against triple R on my video thread... link is here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzrgHfunOQc

I played another kirby yesterday (1857 points on the ladder) and he barely beat me both games... i should have won. Avoiding Dair gimps is pretty easy. Just make sure you DI the F smash if you get it and you won't have trouble.

idk about DI-ing toward the stage at all... You want to DI up and away from Kirby. If you DI towards the stage and the Kirby figures it out, you'll take 0-50% as opposed to 0-18%. I know the damage doesn't mean as much to DK, but after the 10% mark you should never have to worry about losing your second jump to get away and it makes Kirby's life in this MU that much more difficult.

 

[daisho]

idk about DI-ing toward the stage at all... You want to DI up and away from Kirby. If you DI towards the stage and the Kirby figures it out, you'll take 0-50% as opposed to 0-18%. I know the damage doesn't mean as much to DK, but after the 10% mark you should never have to worry about losing your second jump to get away and it makes Kirby's life in this MU that much more difficult.

I don't mean out of grab combos, I mean when recovering you should always be DIing towards the stage and not just falling straight down.

 

[MasterCheeze]

So if DK saves his second jump he should generally be able to get back? Say I Up-B, get Daired, DJ and Up-B, I should still be able to make it? If that's true, that should take care of a big problem in this matchup, maybe even in the Lucas one too (his Dair spike that is).

 

[daisho]

Umm depending on how much of the dair he gets you in and if they footstool you afterwards. You probably still won't make it.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

you can avoid it, just don't let him get directly above you, in the air you move faster than he does

 

[thrillagorilla]

I don't mean out of grab combos, I mean when recovering you should always be DIing towards the stage and not just falling straight down.

Oh, sorry! Yes, the closer you are to the stage with all your options available, the more difficult it is for Kirby to do anything.

 

[Jmex]

Against Kirby:

IN THE AIR - Back air. You will win every time.

ON THE GROUND - Tilt, Punch and grab.

Honestly, its just a predicting game the whole time. Kirby is going to try to back air you while hes making you think hes going for a grab. When it looks like hes going to come down with an air move, hes most likely going to land and go for a grab. You just have to learn how to read that specific Kirby players moves.

 

[Ripple]

ok would anyone like to write fox, wario, bowser, kirby, and possibly the next few summaries? I like writing them but everytime I want to update them something happens. just yesterday I got called into work a 6am-8pm which totally drained me and today from 6-5:30. I swear something doesn't want me to write these.

if anyone would like to take command for the next 4-5 weeks so I can quit my job and get ajusted to college for awhile, it would help a ton, not just me but you guys as well. I'll continue to edit the first post with the write-up someone provides, since I don't think we need another failed match-up thread collecting dust around here.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

I think thrilla could modify his kirby thing a bit and it'd be post ready

Bowser: DON'T HIT HIS SHIELD 6:4 dk
Fox: throw him offstage and gimp, if you don't know what to do, upb 55:45 dk

somebody else do wario

 

[Jmex]

That sounds good Ripple...

Wario should be the next character as bigfoot stated.

 

[ZxChrono]

well we would need someone who plays futile or fiction that plays DK, or that has played them lol.

i know someone whose decent at wario, ill see if i can get some vids with us playing.

 

[Jmex]

Ive played Fiction once. He chain grabbed me.

Ive never played Futile before.

 

[daisho]

Btw, add to the first page that you should CP olimar to RC... ever since i started D tilt locking people i am actually happy when they take me there.

 

[thrillagorilla]

Ive played Fiction once. He chain grabbed me.

Ive never played Futile before.

I played Fiction too. Same thing, but I kept getting out. He tried to MM my DK with DeDeDe. When I tried to go Fox, he went over to Pikachu. When I went to Diddy he went Marth. When we finally started the match with those last two characters, he stormed out in a huff because he lost. I don't like Fiction.

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Anyways, I'll get on that Kirby summary later, I've got an Opera performance tonight but I'm more than happy to do it.

 

[Ripple]

fiction plays like no other wario out there. he is very very patient and usually his only attacks until 80%is is bite and throw+follow up and then resets

 

[Jmex]

I played Fiction too. Same thing, but I kept getting out. He tried to MM my DK with DeDeDe. When I tried to go Fox, he went over to Pikachu. When I went to Diddy he went Marth. When we finally started the match with those last two characters, he stormed out in a huff because he lost. I don't like Fiction.

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Anyways, I'll get on that Kirby summary later, I've got an Opera performance tonight but I'm more than happy to do it.

Lol, that does sound like Fiction.

 

[Commander_Beef]

I hate those guys like that who are just plain cocky. He deserves it, ****.

 

[KoSa!]

My only thing is that if the Luigi match up is 50-50, then the Mario one should 60-40. His fireballs are better than Luigi's and he can combo like crazy with. The fireball setups are better than Luigi's.

Ex: Short hop Fireball > Fireball > Running USmash.

Mario can gimp DK like nothing, unlike Luigi who gets gimped really easily. Talking about gimping Mario is harder to gimp, and just edgeguard in general, he has more things that he can do. His fireballs will force you to shield or give he space he can cape to stall for a little bit, and his UpB has more range and does multiple hits.

 

[daisho]

My only thing is that if the Luigi match up is 50-50, then the Mario one should 55-45. His fireballs are better than Luigi's and he can combo like crazy with. The fireball setups are better than Luigi's.

Ex: Short hop Fireball > Fireball > Running USmash.

Mario can gimp DK like nothing, unlike Luigi who gets gimped really easily. Talking about gimping Mario is harder to gimp, and just edgeguard in general, he has more things that he can do. His fireballs will force you to shield or give he space he can cape to stall for a little bit, and his UpB has more range and does multiple hits.

And even with his gimps he kills on average about 20-30% later.

 

[ZxChrono]

imo, the luigi matchup is definately not 50-50. its more 55-45 luigi favor, he has combos man (lol) and on top of that shoryuken and fsmash is hax at killing us. luigi gets gimped ez? wth lol he can come back up with his tornado AND his up b, if hes off screen side b ftw, its ridiculous. i dont know what luigi you watch or play against but he has good recovery unlike mario.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

I played Fiction too. Same thing, but I kept getting out. He tried to MM my DK with DeDeDe. When I tried to go Fox, he went over to Pikachu. When I went to Diddy he went Marth. When we finally started the match with those last two characters, he stormed out in a huff because he lost. I don't like Fiction.

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Anyways, I'll get on that Kirby summary later, I've got an Opera performance tonight but I'm more than happy to do it.

yeah, he counterpicks everything in friendlies

I went ganon

and he cp'd falco...

 

[ZxChrono]

its not much of a FRIENDLY if you cp everything lol.

 

[KoSa!]

imo, the luigi matchup is definately not 50-50. its more 55-45 luigi favor, he has combos man (lol) and on top of that shoryuken and fsmash is hax at killing us. luigi gets gimped ez? wth lol he can come back up with his tornado AND his up b, if hes off screen side b ftw, its ridiculous. i dont know what luigi you watch or play against but he has good recovery unlike mario.

Lol. If you fear the upB from Luigi then more than likey he will get you. The only time he should get it off is when you are defenseless,. when you play against Luigi enough you block it everytime. Now the Fsmash angled up is HAXORZ XD.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

^ play ultraluigi, he'll powershield upb all your ****

 

[KoSa!]

^ play ultraluigi, he'll powershield upb all your ****

Now yeah if they powershield your attack and upB thats a different story.

 

[ZxChrono]

wth are you talking about, i was talking about recovering not him getting up B on you LOL! but yeah its luigi favor not 50-50.

@bigfoot

theres 6 DK's in so cal? i thought just 5 including myself. jmex, srk, m7h, you, and me. so whose the 6th? big O?

 

[KoSa!]

^lol I posted a long paragraph on his recover and erased it and don't feeling like doing it again....

At my point isn't that Luigi should be DK's favor but, what I really want to say is why isn't Mario's matchup in his favor. If he gimps/combos/and has more range than Luigi.

 

[ZxChrono]

Mario doesnt combo DK like luigi does, Marios fireballs are better (you can still cancel his out) and the cape thats about it. Im not saying either that the matchup is DK's favor but that one is more even it depends on whether you get gimped or not. Personally you should always recover high on mario and if you recover low make sure you have a DJ to fake him out on the timing of the cape (could still get you but less likely), FLUDD never should be a issue. I just know from experience from 2 mario players that play both mario and luigi.

 

[KoSa!]

Mario doesnt combo DK like luigi does, Marios fireballs are better (you can still cancel his out) and the cape thats about it. Im not saying either that the matchup is DK's favor but that one is more even it depends on whether you get gimped or not. Personally you should always recover high on mario and if you recover low make sure you have a DJ to fake him out on the timing of the cape (could still get you but less likely), FLUDD never should be a issue. I just know from experience from 2 mario players that play both mario and luigi.

FLUDD is no problem. Fireballs setups to Dsmashes and stuff hurt. If mario gimps you once from just simply capeing(<<<I Think) you, your kinda up the creek without a paddle the rest of the fight. Recovering high allows him to knock you away and now you have no DJ. When I fight mario's I get in this mode were I cant get knocked off the stage , and end just spacing Bairs until he slips up, then I grab, throw him off stage and Bair space again.

 

[ZxChrono]

the times that i have been gimped by marios cape its been over 100% usually, so it wasnt a big loss since thats when usually it gets to be trouble for you to get back after getting hit by a smash attack. Mario is good on the ground where DK is just as good if not better. I always have fun in this matchup. I mentioned FLUDD not being a problem because I have seen DK's and I wont mention any names, that have done upb and get themselves hit by FLUDD. biggest thing would be to save that 2nd jump because I know a lot of people have a habit of using their 2nd jump while they are still off screen.

 

[KoSa!]

Maybe, I look into this match with the disadvantage. I personally don't like playing this one and cp Japes or Brinstar.


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[ZxChrono]

Mario's ALWAYS ban japes on me lol. brinstar is good but I prefer delfino. usually when im at kill % we arent flying around lol. oh yeah and cargo dthrow is too good on this stage lol.

 

[KoSa!]

Delfino owns, I also think if you cp Halbred it can help. Since if your flying around you can fake him out when the ship lands.

 

[ZxChrono]

no to mention how awesome it is when you side taunt after a water spike. ^^

on halbred its good if you have your 2nd jump, recovering from under the stage and he capes you can help you reach the other end and grab the ledge. <3 random capes lol.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

wth are you talking about, i was talking about recovering not him getting up B on you LOL! but yeah its luigi favor not 50-50.

@bigfoot

theres 6 DK's in so cal? i thought just 5 including myself. jmex, srk, m7h, you, and me. so whose the 6th? big O?

big O

also SRK is cencal

 

[daisho]

I can probably do kirby if thrilla doesn't want to...

Lets start a new character in the meantime.

Diddy falco or ZSS please.

 

[Luigi player]

If you upB brake against Mario his fludd and cape can probably keep you offstage so you fall to your death if you aren't coming from above.

 

[Ripple]

Lets start a new character in the meantime.

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I still need someone to write said match up analysis. who is going to write the kirby bowser wario luigi ones? I don't care if different people take different ones but I would like someone to write at least 1 today or tomorrow

 

[Jmex]

I think Diddy should be next.

@ Ripple. Im pretty sure Thrilla wrote a post about Kirby a few pages back and Bigfoot edited it a little. So that takes care of Kirby. Someone just has to write about the other characters.