I cosign every post you've made so far. PSing fireballs is a very real threat regardless of who's doing it. What the character can do to punish, however, varies greatly and often is less dangerous in comparison.
Zelda's among those few. I do believe that, given the right circumstances, Zelda can powershield and rush in for a Dtilt lock during the frame advantage (SDI out as fast as possible Marios!) and end it with a KO move. For that reason, I don't agree with excessive camping in this matchup on Mario's end.
Way to miss my point.
You just told me that Fludd outright does NOTHING to Zelda's recovery. That's flatout wrong and you're completely unaware. That, alone, tells me that you've never played a Mario that has tried to intelligently edgeguard you; one of the clearest advantages that Mario has in this matchup.
And now you're telling me that we overrate our matchups? Not only is that insulting to the year and a half worth of work that we put into making our matchups accurate, but it's unreasonably far from the truth and I welcome you prove to me wrong. Therefore, your opinion no longer matters.
And lol, I've played Ninjalink before. I think he's good enough to pull a little experience from.
Inferno, get your boy. He's making NJ look bad.
None of Mario's aerials beat Zelda's Usmash. Using your comparison, Luigi's don't either. Whatever point you're trying to make is totally invalid.
That's definitely not the way you measure a character. Here, let me try:
MK is lightweight, has no projectile, has a horrible aerial movement speed, and cannot clash with projectiles (meaning Mario can toss out fireballs and he can't cancel them with fair or ftilt), his damage output is on the lower half of the roster, and his best approach method (nado) is punishable if the opponent expects it...
The list admittedly isn't much longer than that, but he's often regarded as "broken" despite those weaknesses.
If you want to measure a character, weigh the good + the bad in comparison to the rest of the characters around them. If you do that, Mario needs to move up.
Very valid point. Zelda can change the tide of the match quickly, much like DK. It often doesn't even require the Mario to screw up.
If Zelda gets behind, you, as the Mario, cannot let yourself get comfortable.
True, but this is only on paper. All it takes is Mario trying to approach grounded or airdodge away to space for an Fsmash and miss a step, and you're Dtilt locked. The consequences of this are, indeed, "devastating".
It might as well be our jab lock, except more reliable.
It's not about "whose theoretical character can beat whose?"...it's about knowing all of the options. It's the same way that some of the Zeldas have mentioned Utilt killing at around 100% even though it's about as reliable as ROB's Usmash.
Yeah....I'm kinda glad you got to this first...
His posts are getting increasingly uninformed...
Mikey, how come you've never used Zelda against my Mario?
