Triple R
Smash Lord
Get ready for a world of hurt my friend lol
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Guide The Competitive Kirby [ver 2.1]
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TaterSalad0811
Smash Lord
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Yes I know! Kirby sucks in melee
TaterSalad0811
Smash Lord
That's why I don't play Melee. Kirby sucks.
If he was at least mid or low tier, I'd be busting out the 'cube all the time!
If he was at least mid or low tier, I'd be busting out the 'cube all the time!
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Why don't you play better? In truth there are no broken tactics or unbeatable tactics in melee you make lasers backfire with powersheilding.
Also does anyone try extra hard to kirbycide on their last stock for LOLs?
Also does anyone try extra hard to kirbycide on their last stock for LOLs?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Powershielding doesn't stop lasers. They can jump over the PS lasers and shoot more. This happens frequently nowadays.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Still one of the best answers for kirby maybe if you take them to brinstar and suck on on of the sides they can't hit you or if your behind the pillars.
He could still play better even without powersheilding
He could still play better even without powersheilding
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Space animals just wait for the lava to rise and **** Kirby when he has to move up. Because Kirby's awful when he has to use his horrific aerial mobility and lay siege to a platform.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Yeah and if he just tryed to float above the lava they could just shine him into the lava and LOL.
I was thinking fox without so much space on a platform would help kirby a lot and that he would have an uber easy/legit way to avoid the lasers for most of the match.
I don't know man I only play as kirby to up-tilt and kill myself on the last stock even if they still have 4 I would still kirbcide.
LOL I should play as pichu He can at least taunt cancel and move fast.
I was thinking fox without so much space on a platform would help kirby a lot and that he would have an uber easy/legit way to avoid the lasers for most of the match.
I don't know man I only play as kirby to up-tilt and kill myself on the last stock even if they still have 4 I would still kirbcide.
LOL I should play as pichu He can at least taunt cancel and move fast.
BunBun
Smash Master
I'm going to safely say that Fox is unwinnable for Kirby. Same with Puff. Falco and Marth are close.
There's absolutely nothing you can do against Fox. Suck on the side? He can space a forward smash to hit you, or drop through tha platform and do almost anything above you. Unless you can recover really high up, you're basically dead if you're offstage. Shine molests Kirbs offstage. If you're off the edge, your best chance is to try and suprisr them with an inhale, if it doesn't work, your pretty much still in the same position you were, except lower. If your near the stage and manage to tech the shine, upb asap and get ready to tech again.
There's seriously no hope against fox if the fox is smart at all.
There's absolutely nothing you can do against Fox. Suck on the side? He can space a forward smash to hit you, or drop through tha platform and do almost anything above you. Unless you can recover really high up, you're basically dead if you're offstage. Shine molests Kirbs offstage. If you're off the edge, your best chance is to try and suprisr them with an inhale, if it doesn't work, your pretty much still in the same position you were, except lower. If your near the stage and manage to tech the shine, upb asap and get ready to tech again.
There's seriously no hope against fox if the fox is smart at all.
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That's why I play melee, Kirby sucks
It's just a sad thing to me, as much as I want him to be good. No one plays this character enough for us to find something worth noting. The 1st post was made in '05, edited in '07. I would think something has happened since then, but I guess not.
You, as a person, would have to play extremely smart, in order to play against many characters at a high level and hold your own, if not win. That's just how it is, but the victory is so much more glorious if you have it with Kirby. :D
You, as a person, would have to play extremely smart, in order to play against many characters at a high level and hold your own, if not win. That's just how it is, but the victory is so much more glorious if you have it with Kirby. :D
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
you are the limit man and the last advancement in kirby's metagame was wavedashing really.
BunBun
Smash Master
There have been more advancements, we just don't post them because it gives us more of a chance by not telling other people the few things we can do.
Most of the kirby players here post on a secret out of smashboards forum specifically for kirby discussion. We're all going light right now, but in 2k11 we'll be opening the year of the Kirby, and dominate Melee with the pink fellating fucker.
Most of the kirby players here post on a secret out of smashboards forum specifically for kirby discussion. We're all going light right now, but in 2k11 we'll be opening the year of the Kirby, and dominate Melee with the pink fellating fucker.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
hmmm maybe that's why everyone has been telling me kirby is better than pichu they are simplely hiddening the reason 
good luck with that. I also haven't told everyone what I know about pichu in my notebook.
good luck with that. I also haven't told everyone what I know about pichu in my notebook.
BunBun
Smash Master
At best. Bair, giant punch and throw combos to uair **** Kirby.
And DK is fscking hard to edgeguard =(
And DK is fscking hard to edgeguard =(
Triple R
Smash Lord
ledge cancelled dair to giant punch is a combo with kirby, try it out for the lawlz
BunBun
Smash Master
Onion Kirby!
Remember a few weeks ago when we 'clashed' punches, but yours hit?
Yeah, it's not all that useful.
BunBun
Smash Master
GAO!
No, I doubt utilt to punch combos lol. It's really only good to punish a bad tech with.
Carl, uh, when do I get to see you again T-T
No, I doubt utilt to punch combos lol. It's really only good to punish a bad tech with.
Carl, uh, when do I get to see you again T-T
_KuyaSombreo_
Smash Ace
lol "onion kirby"
btw how gay is kirby with shieks needles?
btw how gay is kirby with shieks needles?
BunBun
Smash Master
Not very. He falls too slow to really do anything useful with the lag canceling aspect. When I get them, I'll usually just attempt to be annoying with them, but in reality inhale is more useful.
Nashun
Smash Ace
That's a horribly naive and inaccurate statement. If Kirby's single main advantage is that people are unfamiliar against him, then obviously he has nothing to offer in a competitive environment. Otherwise his main advantage would be whatever that tourney-winning Kirby would use to actually win tournaments.
If a Kirby did win a tournament, his metagame would be totally opposite of screwed, because obviously everyone else is doing something wrong as it is.
If a Kirby did win a tournament, his metagame would be totally opposite of screwed, because obviously everyone else is doing something wrong as it is.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
yeah really knowing just like how to deal this his SD tactics is pretty easy.
kirby on edge don't go there maybe if you came from above.
if kirby throws shake out and if you fail down you can up-B back to the stage and let kitby die.
never shake out of B try to go to stages that by make it hard for him to make it back FoD rainbow ride.
at a part of rainbow ride kirby can up-throw you. as on other stages.
that small bit of info stops like all kirby SD tactics and if you like marth/roy and they do that suck on ground by edge jump of them and side-B them works well and if your winning don't do anything haha kirby fail.
kirby on edge don't go there maybe if you came from above.
if kirby throws shake out and if you fail down you can up-B back to the stage and let kitby die.
never shake out of B try to go to stages that by make it hard for him to make it back FoD rainbow ride.
at a part of rainbow ride kirby can up-throw you. as on other stages.
that small bit of info stops like all kirby SD tactics and if you like marth/roy and they do that suck on ground by edge jump of them and side-B them works well and if your winning don't do anything haha kirby fail.
Nahsun, I understand where you are coming from, that if someone was some sort of prodigy with Kirby then we could all learn a thing or two; even though this does make sense it has already been mentioned numerous times in this thread, particularly in the introduction:
"especially against opponents unfamiliar with Kirby because they'll likely have to spend valuable fighting time just figuring out which attacks will actually hit you!"
"you can take advantage of your opponent's unfamiliarity early in the game - he is trying to figure out how to deal with a Kirby while you already know what to expect from his character."
The second of which I find to be very accurate in describing how Kirby is played: using tactics your opponent is not familiar with. Once these tactics (Kirby's metagame) become widely known, then they are far less effective as suitable counters will be devised. And winning a tournament would be the perfect way to make those tactics widely known, and players would have to learn them and adapt to them. Right now, since Kirby isn't really a huge threat, most players don't have to worry about learning all the inns and outs of Kirby's metagame in order to counter it.
"especially against opponents unfamiliar with Kirby because they'll likely have to spend valuable fighting time just figuring out which attacks will actually hit you!"
"you can take advantage of your opponent's unfamiliarity early in the game - he is trying to figure out how to deal with a Kirby while you already know what to expect from his character."
The second of which I find to be very accurate in describing how Kirby is played: using tactics your opponent is not familiar with. Once these tactics (Kirby's metagame) become widely known, then they are far less effective as suitable counters will be devised. And winning a tournament would be the perfect way to make those tactics widely known, and players would have to learn them and adapt to them. Right now, since Kirby isn't really a huge threat, most players don't have to worry about learning all the inns and outs of Kirby's metagame in order to counter it.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
I wish I was a amazing troll or something. kirby boards could easily be trolled dto death like the roy boards.
But yeah really in truthfulness it's not just what you do it's how you do it. if someone is use to fox being on the edge and he side-Bs back on every time it seems very predictable right? however he could do more than just mindlessly spam it if he had to side-B back.
1. do one of foxes maay stalls(my favorite is to be on battlefeild and wall jump off the edge into side-B) then randomly side-B on
2. shorten it.
3. jump di back shorten it to back it so you land on the edge and repeat till they try and stop you then do a full
4 side-B onto a platform
5. walljump into a single laser to regrab the edge till they try to stop you and you side-b on.
6. walljump side-B
7. normal
some options kindof suck but it keeps theem confused and ion the edge and again I think we can argee kirby like fox doen't have only one option in every single case. that's roy.
so even if they know the simple tactics there are ways to mix up or to try something totally different like nair onto the stage, gasp.
But yeah really in truthfulness it's not just what you do it's how you do it. if someone is use to fox being on the edge and he side-Bs back on every time it seems very predictable right? however he could do more than just mindlessly spam it if he had to side-B back.
1. do one of foxes maay stalls(my favorite is to be on battlefeild and wall jump off the edge into side-B) then randomly side-B on
2. shorten it.
3. jump di back shorten it to back it so you land on the edge and repeat till they try and stop you then do a full
4 side-B onto a platform
5. walljump into a single laser to regrab the edge till they try to stop you and you side-b on.
6. walljump side-B
7. normal
some options kindof suck but it keeps theem confused and ion the edge and again I think we can argee kirby like fox doen't have only one option in every single case. that's roy.
so even if they know the simple tactics there are ways to mix up or to try something totally different like nair onto the stage, gasp.
Triple R
Smash Lord
GASP. Did I just hear nair onto stage from ledge!?!?!?
BunBun
Smash Master
ITT ICG is less on topic than usual, but still awesome.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
really I'm awesome that's cool maybe I won't have to take any more lesons :D
Mizar
Smash Ace
Big tournament in Sweden was going on last weekend (B.E.A.S.T).
Ice lost a game VS Hack (Kirby)
For people who don't know Ice, he's becoming the m2k of europe. Last tournament outplacing Zgetto and CalleW.
Definitely look out for that Kirby, the vids should be oploaded on youtube fairly soon.
Ice lost a game VS Hack (Kirby)
For people who don't know Ice, he's becoming the m2k of europe. Last tournament outplacing Zgetto and CalleW.
Definitely look out for that Kirby, the vids should be oploaded on youtube fairly soon.
Triple R
Smash Lord
I'll be looking forward to a link when they are uploaded.
Mizar
Smash Ace
ryuu seika
Smash Master
What version do they play in Sweden?
EDIT: Video loaded and that's definitely a good kirby. I'm surprised at how many of my little tricks he uses (not that many but he does do the Nair thing and a few other examples). Also greatly surprised at him messing up my fireball recover stopper and getting edge guarded into oblivion.
His Marth's pretty good too but clearly no match for that spammy Fox.
Also, was that non-representative of tournament play or do I have to bring an MP3 player full of SSBM music loops to every event if I ever wanna go pro?
EDIT: Video loaded and that's definitely a good kirby. I'm surprised at how many of my little tricks he uses (not that many but he does do the Nair thing and a few other examples). Also greatly surprised at him messing up my fireball recover stopper and getting edge guarded into oblivion.
His Marth's pretty good too but clearly no match for that spammy Fox.
Also, was that non-representative of tournament play or do I have to bring an MP3 player full of SSBM music loops to every event if I ever wanna go pro?
Rostigalen
Smash Journeyman
"MY" little tricks?
Watch that tongue, Hack and Armada has played Kirby long before you even discovered Smashboards.
Us Swedes play PAL.
Hack played Kirby in matches for 7th and 5th place in the biggest international tournament in Europe since...2008? There were over 100 entrants so you shouldn't question its validity.
Stop being cócky.
Watch that tongue, Hack and Armada has played Kirby long before you even discovered Smashboards.
Us Swedes play PAL.
Hack played Kirby in matches for 7th and 5th place in the biggest international tournament in Europe since...2008? There were over 100 entrants so you shouldn't question its validity.
Stop being cócky.
Triple R
Smash Lord
His trick he was talking about was actually probably an accident. No smart Kirby will do that off stage like that. I know I do it on accident sometimes.
First off, I heard people saying ICE was the M2K of Europe. After watching that set It's clear that was a little over the top, since I don't think he's even close to M2K level. lol
Second, it's obvious his Kirby is really good, but I wish I was playing PAL sometimes lol. I saw multiple times where his Kirby lived at percents that he would have died if it was NTSC. Then there was the Marth dair that he meteor canceled, which I wish I could do over here.... lol.
Third, wow at all that rolling..... He's lucky he only used Kirby two sets, he probably would have come across someone in bracket that would punish that pretty quick if he used him more.
Fourth, people need to stop playing against Kirby like they are sacred of him XD
First off, I heard people saying ICE was the M2K of Europe. After watching that set It's clear that was a little over the top, since I don't think he's even close to M2K level. lol
Second, it's obvious his Kirby is really good, but I wish I was playing PAL sometimes lol. I saw multiple times where his Kirby lived at percents that he would have died if it was NTSC. Then there was the Marth dair that he meteor canceled, which I wish I could do over here.... lol.
Third, wow at all that rolling..... He's lucky he only used Kirby two sets, he probably would have come across someone in bracket that would punish that pretty quick if he used him more.
Fourth, people need to stop playing against Kirby like they are sacred of him XD
ryuu seika
Smash Master
Whether they're their tricks or not does not exclude them from being mine too if I came up with them independently. All I meant by it was a simple "it's nice to see real players do some of what I do. clearly I'm not doing everything wrong".
Thanks. That makes this less impressive than a similar US match but it's still good.
I was merely questioning whether all tournaments have music turned off because I think that would throw me quite badly
I feel you've misinterpreted a lot of what I said to add in arrogance that wasn't really there. I know I couldn't do what Hack did, I'm simply surprised by what similarities are there.
All my fireballs are on purpose.
Also, I don't see what's wrong with fireballing off stage as long as ou can be sure of colliding with their recovery move. If they predict it and don't bother with the recovery move, you do do their recovery for them though so it's definitely risky.
I think you'll find people are scared of good Kirbys.