The Coming War is Unwinnable

[Xivii]

LMAO! Imagination NOTHING! We have a freaking robot spy in the California government guys! Nino knows what he's talking about.

I knew it, I knew he couldn't have been elected because of his 'intellect'.

lmao.

It is true though that machines aided him to his postion. All though a machine of another sort. The T.V.

 

[†Slader7†]

If a robot war does breakout, Grey would probably join the robot forces but will then realize his mistake and will go back to creating awesome images

And of course, Nysyarc will fight for his friends

 

[Grey Belnades]

I also see 'AC/DC' in your location... you appear to be jesting and yet... suspicious...

Oh, I'm going to see them on the 6th, I would never kid about that, in fact, I'm going to try to sneak my camera in so I can take pictures and show them here

 

[Nysyarc]

Oh, I'm going to see them on the 6th, I would never kid about that, in fact, I'm going to try to sneak my camera in so I can take pictures and show them here

I already saw them in Moncton a few weeks ago! Nearly seventy thousand people showed up. Greatest rock concert I've ever been to. The great thing about AC/DC is that they have no ballads or slow songs, so it's a full-out rockin party the whole time.

See how well I can take things off-topic?

 

[Grey Belnades]

I already saw them in Moncton a few weeks ago! Nearly seventy thousand people showed up. Greatest rock concert I've ever been to. The great thing about AC/DC is that they have no ballads or slow songs, so it's a full-out rockin party the whole time.

See how well I can take things off-topic?

Awesome! I have floor seats so yeah, its going to be great , oh I forgot we're getting off topic, evil robots....Terminator....and ASIMOs

 

[†Slader7†]

lol
AC/DC > Threat of annihilation by robots

 

[El Nino]

I knew it, I knew he couldn't have been elected because of his 'intellect'.

Just so you know, the Governator has probably traced your IP address and is likely on his way to your present location to terminate your *ss.

 

[Nysyarc]

Oh, and I figured you weren't joking about the concert, I just mentioned the AC/DC cause like... you said you were going to recharge your batteries and... AC/DC... y'know... *cough*

/cue the crickets

AC/DC > Threat of annihilation by robots

You have achieved a great victory here today.

 

[El Nino]

Jam's gonna check in on this tomorrow and wonder how he got four pages of replies on a thread about killer robots.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Oh, and I figured you weren't joking about the concert, I just mentioned the AC/DC cause like... you said you were going to recharge your batteries and... AC/DC... y'know... *cough*

/cue the crickets



You have achieved a great victory here today.

Yeah, I knew what you meant.

 

[Nysyarc]

Jam's gonna check in on this tomorrow and wonder how he got four pages of replies on a thread about killer robots.

What do you guys think? Blog of the Week material?

/half joking half serious

 

[El Nino]

Yes. Blog of the Week needs less emo and more robot nerdage.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Jam's gonna check in on this tomorrow and wonder how he got four pages of replies on a thread about killer robots.

40 posts per page or GTFO

 

[etecoon]

lol at whoever said robots can't be sentient because they are machines, OUR BRAINS are just highly complicated machines, a sentient robot is most certainly possible.

I second "humans will probably kill each other off way before then anyway" though

 

[UltiMario]

Just like humans, Robots wear away too. They're parts get old/rusty, and need to be changed in order to survive. This, along with building other Robots, would consume the world's metals at an alarming rate. They will reach the point where there isn't enough good metals to use. At more than 100,000x the speed of consumption (lolguess, I assume the 8 billionish people on the Earth that will be around when this even happens will all be replaced with Robots), this won't be too hard to reach. The robots will eventually, crumble, and once they do so, the Earth over the next few thousand years, would eventually take back all these metals into the soil, and in a few million, be back in the Earth as this never happened.

The only way to stop this would be to destroy the atmosphere, immediately killing all humans, and also, all life. No Oxygen to rust the parts, without Atmoshpere nothing can really wear down the parts too much. Metal COnsumption would probably not be much more than it is now. The problem with that? Without the Atmosphere. Well. Think Mercury. The Robots will probably melt after not too long from the sheer heat of the Sun in the summers.

Theres no point in them to take over because they'll lose in the end too. If robots are theoretically as smart, or SMARTER than humans, they'll never kill us all. They MIGHT want to take over, but not kill all of us. Its a pointless waste of time.

Besides, between 500 Million to a Billion Years, the Sun is going to be big enough to broil the Earth, and nothing could survive anyway. This might be a Crisis that happens when we get to Mars, though.

 

[PJGLZ]

If the machines were given artificial intelligence, we would be screwed. But of course, it's not like they don't have an off switch built internally into their bodies, and therefore cannot be tampered with.

I met Dr. Rodney Mckay. Hyes!

 

[Mewter]

What are we gonna do What are we gonna do What are we gonna do What are we gonna do
Also, to combat the robots if necessary: Cyborg humans.
Yeah....

 

[Rappster]

If you give a robot some basic guidelines and the capacity for

1. storing new information
2. a goal
3. self replicating
4. transmitting knowledge
5. communication w/ others of its type

then we would be in serious doodoo. Even if those things on there own don't sound like much (they aren't that hard to program) enough of those simple machines could develop a hive intelligence (like boids only worse). We wouldn 't need them to be self aware to be dangerous

 

[Teran]

I still stand by the idea that humans would never create a machine that has even a remote possibility of getting one over on them.

That would be absurd, we're too interested in self preservation. We are animals after all.

 

[Mewter]

I still stand by the idea that humans would never create a machine that has even a remote possibility of getting one over on them.

That would be absurd, we're too interested in self preservation. We are animals after all.

Cyborgs, I tell you!

 

[-Jumpman-]

Such machines would most likely be hardened against EMP.

Machines that don't rely on electric currents are quite rare my friend. Anyway, it's quite easy to say these machines are unbeatable if you can let your imagination do the work. If intelligent machines would exist in the current envoirement, we would most definitely win.

 

[PK-ow!]

The reason why I titled the thread in such a way is that such a scenario may be sci-fi for now, but it won't be for long. Just pick up any science journal or Google "robotics", and it becomes clear that it is only a matter of time until we get to sentience in machines.

Yeah sure.

But if you, you know, read, and then, think about such journals, you'll realize that it's not a matter of time at all.


See, if we plot the "Human-likeness" or "intelligence" of A.I.s against the variable Time, we get something very different from a rising slope. We get a flat line.
No progress has been made in A.I.. Actually none. Some people are getting good work in mind sciences and now neuroscience, but every person who's tried to build machines has got jack.

The connectionist language processors are just that - language processors - and if you ask anyone other than George Hinton WTF a connectionist network is, you aren't going to get an enlightening answer. And paying attention to Hinton, you'll see that, yes, this is something... perhaps something in the same class as "intelligence" under higher taxa (which in itself would be revolutionary), but. . . it's different.


ASIMO is not smart. ASIMO is just yet another walking* program drawing up encyclopedic behaviour and data files. The guy literally just carries a Supercomputer in a backpack. Human intelligence does not carry supercomputers in backpacks. We get by because we can use our flawed, squishy, wet brain matter in some, amazing way - despite memory loss, logical fallacies, temporal distortion of perception, and a plethora of illusion-susceptibilities - to organize our experience.

Computers? Don't do that.


This is not me flipping out at you. More at the "A.I. community", a bunch of engineers that propagate among themselves that they're doing something, without actually thinking about what they know. They're not fooling anyone else (except maybe Psychology).

I promise you there won't be a war with computers, though. We'd have to very deliberately manufacture weapons-equipped supercomputers - on the same model as current ASIMO or Deep Blue - and we'd have to give them means, motive, and opportunity. Nothing like ASIMO, ever, will just invent the need for destruction of the Human race like an I, Robot endgame.
So basically, watch out for military funding of these A.I. guys. I know one researcher who retired after the military came to him wanting to use his emotion research to make "smart missiles".




*Oh, right, it skateboards too now, or something. My bad.

 

[Darkshadow7827]

We don't have to worry about robots killing us. You know why? There would be a whole civil war between the Windows robots subjugating the Mac robots. It would be, who has the best OS, the better stats, etc. Besides, we could always get poppers to infiltrate. For those who don't what what poppin is, it's that dance form where people wave, boogaloo, tut, and do the robot / animation style That'll fool them robots!

 

[Hive Mind]

You have a cool wife.

Only HAL scares me.

Pk-ow is right though.

 

[El Nino]

I just figured out how to stop a robot takeover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YruAOxWG5uU

STAIRS.

And I just realized that ASIMO is a play on Asimov. I'm quick on the ball, as usual.

 

[Eyada]

I just figured out how to stop a robot takeover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YruAOxWG5uU

STAIRS.

Seems effective.

Really though, we're nowhere near having to worry about this. The idea that we are even remotely close to being able to create true artificial intelligence is far too optimistic; we don't even understand how "non-artificial intelligence" works, so what makes anyone think we can create a machine-based version of it? Saying that we are capable of teaching machines how to think is ridiculous; it's like saying that you're going to teach a machine how to use telekinesis or how to travel through time, even though we don't understand how either of those processes work.

You can't teach what you don't understand, and you certainly can't program it into a machine.

Perhaps some day far into the future, but not within our lifetimes.

As to claims that machines can never be made sentient, the rebuttal should be clear. There is no basis for such a claim at this time, given that we don't even understand what sentience actually is or how it works. It seems a bit presumptuous to claim that machines can never become sentient when we don't even understand what it means for something to be sentient. We might look at ourselves and see signs of sentience, but we don't understand what causes it, and we certainly have no grasp of the underlying prerequisites.