I gotta say, that haze vs izaw CF/link match inspired me to jab a lot more. I've started using repeated jabs and jab cancels on my buddies. How reliable/useful is falcon's jabbing game, and what are some good follow ups or mindgames besides jab>grab?
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The Captain Falcon Q&A Thread
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teluoborg
Smash Otter
Andgravy :
Jab jab>shield>grab
Jab>runaway
Jab>Tilt/dashgrab if he SDIs away
Jab jab>knee if you wanna look flashy
Jab>FFAC cross up Bair>jab/grab
Jab> SH Nair (timed so the 2nd hit hits low)
Etc etc. Nothing out of jab is guaranteed btw, it's all mixups and stuff.
@Haze : Fthrow CG is legit till 4x % on a wall (PS1 ground/fire, Delfino, RC, Orpheon). Makes them go wtf.
Jab jab>shield>grab
Jab>runaway
Jab>Tilt/dashgrab if he SDIs away
Jab jab>knee if you wanna look flashy
Jab>FFAC cross up Bair>jab/grab
Jab> SH Nair (timed so the 2nd hit hits low)
Etc etc. Nothing out of jab is guaranteed btw, it's all mixups and stuff.
@Haze : Fthrow CG is legit till 4x % on a wall (PS1 ground/fire, Delfino, RC, Orpheon). Makes them go wtf.
BigLord
Smash Lord
Fthrow is a very good pseudo, but you DO have to know how to buffer pretty well. Otherwise, you'll probably only get 2 f-throws in until they escape.
Still, it's pretty good for Castle Siege's transitions and middle stage, for example.
Still, it's pretty good for Castle Siege's transitions and middle stage, for example.
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Does falcon have any infinites?
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
I've got a question... How the hell do I beat Mario consistently?
He's got a pretty quick and strong bair and fsmash, which wouldn't be a problem if he didn't have a spamable projectile that screws up most of my approaches, so I end up having to camp. Even when I camp, his lag when his hits the floor from Nair and Bair is nonexistent, so he can press forward with a floaty jigglypuff style entourage of aerials.
Shield grabbing works sometimes. He's floaty enough to be out of Falcon's reach for a portion of the time in my experience. I did notice I can jab his fireballs to stop them (yay!) but that only helps so much. What do I do? D:
He's got a pretty quick and strong bair and fsmash, which wouldn't be a problem if he didn't have a spamable projectile that screws up most of my approaches, so I end up having to camp. Even when I camp, his lag when his hits the floor from Nair and Bair is nonexistent, so he can press forward with a floaty jigglypuff style entourage of aerials.
Shield grabbing works sometimes. He's floaty enough to be out of Falcon's reach for a portion of the time in my experience. I did notice I can jab his fireballs to stop them (yay!) but that only helps so much. What do I do? D:
Here's my foolproof plan on dealing with difficult characters
Step 1: Start match
Step 2: Play normally
Step 3: see conditions
If doing well, continue to play normally
If doing poorly, quickly rip the wire out of opponent's controller
In all honesty, i am not qualified to give advice as falcon. This post is just for lulz
Step 1: Start match
Step 2: Play normally
Step 3: see conditions
If doing well, continue to play normally
If doing poorly, quickly rip the wire out of opponent's controller
If they have wireless controller, deploy an M84 stun grenade and hide the controller while they are incapacitated
In all honesty, i am not qualified to give advice as falcon. This post is just for lulz
Lionman
Smash Champion
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
Lol xD. Strategy noted, hopefully I won't have to resort to it.
PZ
Smash Lord
On a jumpan mario(aerial spammy) you camp and space lots n lots of utilt n uair maybe bair too.
On a luigi mario(camps n w8s for your move) you just pick a stage where he cant outcamp you usually a large stage like pokemon stadium, yoshi's island or final destination so run run run.
I suggest taking him to yi or ps1 as a nuetral and rc and lylat as a counterpick sense they kinda screw up mario's recovery.
Naturally in this mu youll use lots of utilt or perfectly autocancelled bair. Uairs when you get confortable with them as a campy move. O dont forget to run away for we have alot of mobility compared to most characters in the game. Single jabs, fh nairs, ftilts(reg or down ur choice), and utilt for spacing. You can probably catch some the mario off gaurd with a hyphen usmash or falcon kick after he camps a bit. Besides that idk wut to do lol.
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Pshield his fireballz, then Ftilt his approaches.
If his Bair is strong then don't approach him when he's facing backwards, or counter it with your Bair.
And don't try to punish his landing lag if there isn't any, just outspace him with Utilt and such and wait for him to commit to a laggy move.
Falco really likes his opponents like his ladies :
he wait for them to commit then he punches them in the face.
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
Good thoughts! I feared I'd have to do something like this.. and I've noticed that campy Falcon is needed for many MUs.
Yeah, I just now tried using more U-tilts, F-tilts, and auto cancelled B-airs, works much better than trying to be aggressive like against Link. Thanks!
I guess Mario's aerials and projectiles really shut down a lot of things you can do..
Yeah, I just now tried using more U-tilts, F-tilts, and auto cancelled B-airs, works much better than trying to be aggressive like against Link. Thanks!
I guess Mario's aerials and projectiles really shut down a lot of things you can do..
PZ
Smash Lord
Not as bad as our utilt shuts him down.Good thoughts! I feared I'd have to do something like this.. and I've noticed that campy Falcon is needed for many MUs.
Yeah, I just now tried using more U-tilts, F-tilts, and auto cancelled B-airs, works much better than trying to be aggressive like against Link. Thanks!
I guess Mario's aerials and projectiles really shut down a lot of things you can do..
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
Aw yeah! I'll work on my f-tilt and u-tilt game then. Thanks!
PZ
Smash Lord
Telu with those knowledgable posts also havent seen your falcon...
Ive seen it in doubles but havent in singles.
Ive seen it in doubles but havent in singles.
BigLord
Smash Lord
teluoborg is going to ñsmash in Spain, isn't he? Looking forward to some sweet vids.
Also, Pktck, here's one thing to remember when battling an experimented Mario:
Never, EVER recover using raptor boost. He'll cape yo' a** easily. If he capes your Falcon Dive, he'll reverse your movement but it's not very significant, plus you gain some height due to the cape's strange physics.
That's... what I really know about that match-up, heh. Other than that, PZ already said everything.
Also, Pktck, here's one thing to remember when battling an experimented Mario:
Never, EVER recover using raptor boost. He'll cape yo' a** easily. If he capes your Falcon Dive, he'll reverse your movement but it's not very significant, plus you gain some height due to the cape's strange physics.
That's... what I really know about that match-up, heh. Other than that, PZ already said everything.
Winnar
Smash Lord
So...has there been anything interesting going on with Falcon lately?
lordhelmet
Smash Master
No .
PZ
Smash Lord
In other words falcon dive like its melee unexpectedly or raptor boost the complete opposite direction...
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
Lol. Gotcha, I'll make sure to not raptor boost. Thanks everyone! ^^ Those tips actually boosted the rest of my game as well. I was trying to be more of a melee-ish falcon than I had intended, not a spacing brawl falcon.
PZ
Smash Lord
~O and when mario is in the air uair like you just dont care~
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
You mean not a short hop, right? More vertical height? Yeah, will do.
Winnar
Smash Lord
bair and uair and fast fall first hit nair are 2 2 2 gud for brawl falcon
Lionman
Smash Champion
I wont go because im a poor guy who retired but i have to say Ally is going to attend
Why i wont attend? i dont want to waste my money in attending tourneys full of Metaknights or Other imposible match ups, seriously Brawl sucks when you talk about competitive level, anyways i love low tier tourneys but is not enough for me to assist tourneys.
There will be Melee but i play it for fun and because i want to be a decent Falcon player in all smash games
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
The Mario match-up isn't all that bad once you get around the recovery issues. You should focus more around Bair than anything else against Mario imo, because not only does it work good for pressuring, it has low cooldown time upon landing so getting punished for it being shielded isn't an issue.
Fireball spamming Marios are pretty easy to get around too. If they're just trying to keep a distance between Mario and Falcon the entire match, that means they're reacting poorly to pressure. Mario shouldn't have to play defensive against Falcon since he has so many options to shut us down. That's just boosting Falcon's chances of winning. lulz.
...and when Mario's in the air horizontally, keep an eye on the direction he's facing. If he's facing forward, chances are he's going to use a fireball or Nair. It's pretty easy to punish him for both of those moves, so you can either shield and wait, or u/ftilt. If he's approaching backward, or RAR's a reverse jump, he's going to Bair you-- which is perhaps the biggest match-up leveling move he has. If you think you can pull off a utilt, go for it, but I would recommend trying to shield grab him or some other option out of shield.
Fireball spamming Marios are pretty easy to get around too. If they're just trying to keep a distance between Mario and Falcon the entire match, that means they're reacting poorly to pressure. Mario shouldn't have to play defensive against Falcon since he has so many options to shut us down. That's just boosting Falcon's chances of winning. lulz.
...and when Mario's in the air horizontally, keep an eye on the direction he's facing. If he's facing forward, chances are he's going to use a fireball or Nair. It's pretty easy to punish him for both of those moves, so you can either shield and wait, or u/ftilt. If he's approaching backward, or RAR's a reverse jump, he's going to Bair you-- which is perhaps the biggest match-up leveling move he has. If you think you can pull off a utilt, go for it, but I would recommend trying to shield grab him or some other option out of shield.
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Lol Lion, Brawl sucks because of the MK/Falcon matchup ?
Lionman
Smash Champion
Because the top tiers in general
Melee top tiers are really balanced, yes, maybe some top tier characters are more broken than others but every decent character has a chance in that game
in Brawl the top tier playing sucks, there isnt any top characters who plays offensive, maybe Diddy or Marth but they must deal against plank and other ****** gameplaying styles
Melee top tiers are really balanced, yes, maybe some top tier characters are more broken than others but every decent character has a chance in that game
in Brawl the top tier playing sucks, there isnt any top characters who plays offensive, maybe Diddy or Marth but they must deal against plank and other ****** gameplaying styles
Darky-Sama
Smash Lord
That's because Brawl isn't a fighting game, it's a party game. lol
BigLord
Smash Lord
Ally is going to ñgames!? Holy crap, now I feel even more awful about not being able to go there... it was possible but...
Wise words, Darky-Sama. Except it's a platformer fighter
Wise words, Darky-Sama. Except it's a platformer fighter
Pktck
Smash Apprentice
The strategy seems pretty straightforward now Thanks Darky-Sama, everyone. I'm going to play the same guy tomorrow, we'll see how it goes. You should add this information to your Match Up thread. (I'm kinda surprised the thread isn't completed yet).
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Thanks Darky-Sama, everyone. I'm going to play the same guy tomorrow, we'll see how it goes. You should add this information to your Match Up thread. (I'm kinda surprised the thread isn't completed yet).The guy I play mostly uses the fireballs when I approach to screw me up or when he's approaching. He doesn't play campy characters except Snake
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teluoborg
Smash Otter
U just mad because Falcon is top tier in melee and crap tier in brawl.
The only anticompetitive thing in brawl is MK, and only because he nullifies the CP system.
Every single other issue can be found in melee.
BigLord
Smash Lord
MK-less tournaments already exist fortunately. Poor guy, can't catch a break due to being way too good
Also, Pktck, Snake isn't exactly a campy character. His tilts beat everyone HARD, he really doesn't need to camp.
Also, Pktck, Snake isn't exactly a campy character. His tilts beat everyone HARD, he really doesn't need to camp.
i found 2 in the database but can someone tell me where i can find all the falcon vids where someone gets hit by the falcon punch during a stake/tounament match? a compilation maybe? and with the crowd going wild? thanks
brawl and/or melee
brawl and/or melee
BigLord
Smash Lord
Wombo combo.
Oh, you mean in brawl? Errrrm.... Good question, can't recall any...
Oh, you mean in brawl? Errrrm.... Good question, can't recall any...
lordhelmet
Smash Master
No .
damn :/ that was my last hope for that MU..
i use falcon in low tiers and i think jiggs and yoshi are too hard :/
guess i have to pick a low tier secondary lol
and there isnt even a matchup guide of these two at the falcon boards
im so clueless in these MUs
yoshi camps eggs and pivot grabs all approaches all dai..cant even spotdodge that sh*t lol
then i get GR CG'd to edge and be in a horrible position..
and jiggs beats the sh*t outta me in the air, pressures my shield with retreting areals almost always unable to punish :S
punishing landing is kinda hard too :/
some tipps would be really appreciated, especially for yoshi
i use falcon in low tiers and i think jiggs and yoshi are too hard :/
guess i have to pick a low tier secondary lol
and there isnt even a matchup guide of these two at the falcon boards
im so clueless in these MUs
yoshi camps eggs and pivot grabs all approaches all dai..cant even spotdodge that sh*t lol
then i get GR CG'd to edge and be in a horrible position..
and jiggs beats the sh*t outta me in the air, pressures my shield with retreting areals almost always unable to punish :S
punishing landing is kinda hard too :/
some tipps would be really appreciated, especially for yoshi
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Jiggz is bad lol.
Don't stay on the ground. If you do, punish approaches with shield grabs, pivot grabs, utilts, and jabs.
Chase her in the air with bair and uair.
If she catches you in any funny combos just SDI her drill, and DI her uairs and bairs what have you.
If you're good you can combo her with First Hit Nair -> Knee
Don't stay on the ground. If you do, punish approaches with shield grabs, pivot grabs, utilts, and jabs.
Chase her in the air with bair and uair.
If she catches you in any funny combos just SDI her drill, and DI her uairs and bairs what have you.
If you're good you can combo her with First Hit Nair -> Knee
lordhelmet
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYIQNKKhJkw
Abuse Yoshi's shield with lots of jab pressure.
Utilt > Yoshi's grab.
If you get grabbed, mash out as fast as possible to mess up his timing.
Stick to air combat. SDI Yoshi's bair (up), dair (up). Outspace him with bair and uair.
Don't get caught by down-b, or usmash KOs.
Footstool him out of his second jump recovery.
That's off the top of my head. Hope it helpz
Abuse Yoshi's shield with lots of jab pressure.
Utilt > Yoshi's grab.
If you get grabbed, mash out as fast as possible to mess up his timing.
Stick to air combat. SDI Yoshi's bair (up), dair (up). Outspace him with bair and uair.
Don't get caught by down-b, or usmash KOs.
Footstool him out of his second jump recovery.
That's off the top of my head. Hope it helpz