KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
I keep losing to Zhu every time I enter a tourney guys. Help me please before I get ***** up the butt again... it hurts....
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Meta The "Bowser Matchups" Thread
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ohpistachios
Smash Apprentice
is it even possible to beat a zhu-level falco? lol
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Yes. It IS possible and I know it is. I just need to play smarter and faster at the same time so I can forward smash him.
vincentninja68
Smash Apprentice
Ganon moves really slow, Bowser easily outpaces Ganon. For once, as Bowser you have to be fast to beat ganon, get him off the stage as soon as possible and work your edge guarding skills. Ganon out guns Bowser in strength, attack speed and reach, but ganon's recovery is terrible, take advantage of that whenever possible.
Haruno Kotetsu
Smash Ace
Bowser's edge guard. The thing that makes him playable.
GLCH
Smash Apprentice
Bowser is good against any match up... WHY IS BOWSER SO GOOD?!?!?! haha
ohpistachios
Smash Apprentice
Uh... I don't see where you get the idea that Ganon is slower than Bowser. I would say a fast Ganon outstrips a fast bowser in speed, but overall they're close enough for it to not matter too much. Ganon's waveland is way better than Bowser's and it makes him faaasst.
But definitely, the strategy to use is get him off the stage and edgeguard. That's really all you can do in this matchup. Has anyone else noticed how Ganon's hitboxes are oriented perfectly to **** Bowser up? It kinda sucks.
I would say backthrows (shield grabs, dash grabs, and klaws if you can manage them) as well as fast fairs (especially if you catch him in a double jump) are good to get Ganon off the stage.
And once he's off, FTILT. Ftilt ***** Ganon. I've gotten kills off where I just throw them off and ftilt like 10 times until they're dead (I think it's because they think they can tech it and go low, but ftilt is surprisingly difficult to tech, so they just get owned). And these kills weren't on noob Ganons either.
Bair is also very good if you have the time to turn around, and Fair if he happens to go high. If you get Ganon off at a reasonably low height, he really should have no good options left.
Basically just remember that Ganon basically can't sweetspot, and do whatever you feel like to keep him off.
But definitely, the strategy to use is get him off the stage and edgeguard. That's really all you can do in this matchup. Has anyone else noticed how Ganon's hitboxes are oriented perfectly to **** Bowser up? It kinda sucks.
I would say backthrows (shield grabs, dash grabs, and klaws if you can manage them) as well as fast fairs (especially if you catch him in a double jump) are good to get Ganon off the stage.
And once he's off, FTILT. Ftilt ***** Ganon. I've gotten kills off where I just throw them off and ftilt like 10 times until they're dead (I think it's because they think they can tech it and go low, but ftilt is surprisingly difficult to tech, so they just get owned). And these kills weren't on noob Ganons either.
Bair is also very good if you have the time to turn around, and Fair if he happens to go high. If you get Ganon off at a reasonably low height, he really should have no good options left.
Basically just remember that Ganon basically can't sweetspot, and do whatever you feel like to keep him off.
bowser is faster than ganon
5150
Banned via Administration
actually no.
EazyP
Smash Ace
You're not supposed to post here anymore, **** you D:<
Ganon is slower than Bowser, the problem is his stupid good knockback and the length of a few of his attacks (fair). Getting him off the stage as fast as you can is a great idea, and for all you little kids who have been practicing your fsmashses, it's pretty easy to do on a Ganon. Play defensive, punish with shielded up b's when you can, grab as much as possible, and don't get hit by up-tilt
Ganon is slower than Bowser, the problem is his stupid good knockback and the length of a few of his attacks (fair). Getting him off the stage as fast as you can is a great idea, and for all you little kids who have been practicing your fsmashses, it's pretty easy to do on a Ganon. Play defensive, punish with shielded up b's when you can, grab as much as possible, and don't get hit by up-tilt
FaceFaceMcFace
Smash Ace
Yeah, Ganon is slower than Bowser definitely. It's just that Bowser is laggier. Two different things.
ohpistachios
Smash Apprentice
Okay well, I just wrote out a paragraph arguing my view, but writing that has only made me come to realize that there's no reason to argue about whether Bowser or Ganon is faster.
What this game comes down to is maximally punishing your opponent for his mistakes, and minimizing punishment for your own. And the tools that will help Bowser maximally punish Ganon, and maximally evade punishment are his MOVES and not the abstract idea of their relative "speeds."
Anyway, let's move on to a new topic...
How does everyone feel about Bowser vs Falcon? The more i play it the less enthusiastic i become about it haha. Anybody have specific strategies for foiling falcon's approach or his combos?
What this game comes down to is maximally punishing your opponent for his mistakes, and minimizing punishment for your own. And the tools that will help Bowser maximally punish Ganon, and maximally evade punishment are his MOVES and not the abstract idea of their relative "speeds."
Anyway, let's move on to a new topic...
How does everyone feel about Bowser vs Falcon? The more i play it the less enthusiastic i become about it haha. Anybody have specific strategies for foiling falcon's approach or his combos?
If he's ******** he just SHFFL's nairs and you can be up-b happy... if he dash dance camps for a grab you have to be a lot more careful. Obviously edgeguarding is easy, if he's off he's dead, but the fact of the matter is that if the falcon plays smarth he does extremely well against Bowser.
It's one of my more favorite match-ups
It's one of my more favorite match-ups
FaceFaceMcFace
Smash Ace
Since this thread has been going on for so long, Fox has probably already been discussed, but...
What are my best options to get out of his U-tilts, U-smashes, and U-airs? Especially the tilts and Uairs. They hurts me.
What are my best options to get out of his U-tilts, U-smashes, and U-airs? Especially the tilts and Uairs. They hurts me.
On U-airs if its a killable U-air i wiggle out and airdodge, and if its not i just smash DI upwards
Quiksilv
Smash Apprentice
\/\/orst /\/\atchup = Young Link. Pr
ojectiles > ALL.
ojectiles > ALL.
Chip.
you know what to do
Young Link ***** Bowser yeah.
I wouldn't say *****, but it's definitely one of the more annoying Bowser match-ups <_<
Chip.
you know what to do
LOL
c'mon now, Bowser may be a kutie, but it's a **** fest. I mean, Bowser can just slowly chase young Link for so long before he runs into all dem projectiles.
c'mon now, Bowser may be a kutie, but it's a **** fest. I mean, Bowser can just slowly chase young Link for so long before he runs into all dem projectiles.
Quiksilv
Smash Apprentice
tis a factLOL
c'mon now, Bowser may be a kutie, but it's a **** fest. I mean, Bowser can just slowly chase young Link for so long before he runs into all dem projectiles.
Um...
space your opponent better
play a better match-up <_<
space your opponent better
play a better match-up <_<
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Links and Young Links please (like someone above mentioned). Their projectiles ****.
Nathan9914
Smash Rookie
Bowser rocks in melee and brawl!
chriskikz
Smash Cadet
Dont forget CAOTIC, Azen (sort of),DJ nintendo
theres a good amount of bowsers dude just look them up
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
Get at my sexy a$$ Bowser =) I love Bowser dittos lol.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
yeah one of the few dittos that tell you who is better
TrikELotus
Smash Apprentice
Bowser vs Peach? Anyone?
KingJiggyWiggy
Smash Lord
Bowser dittos: drop Bowser and use Fox DUH
Peach: try not to crouch cancel
Peach: try not to crouch cancel
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Fortress should beat out the dsmash and pretty much anything Peach has on the ground, so doing it out of shield is good for you. Also, keep her in the air and close by so she can't throw turnips.
EDIT: Also, Peach has no super off the ledge options. So yeah.
EDIT: Also, Peach has no super off the ledge options. So yeah.
TrikELotus
Smash Apprentice
I noticed in some luigi vs peach matches that she like, alllways gets daired when she's gettin up. I'm gonna be practicing on SFAT's silly peach so maybe I'll figure some things out.
Does fair beat Peach's nair?
I think edgeguarding i'll just have to watch the few fights i've seen for the most part
Uhh, any other matchup questions that you can think of for me, answer them lol
I'll figure edgeguarding out as best I can, bair seems to **** anyway
Does fair beat Peach's nair?
I think edgeguarding i'll just have to watch the few fights i've seen for the most part
Uhh, any other matchup questions that you can think of for me, answer them lol
I'll figure edgeguarding out as best I can, bair seems to **** anyway
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Bowser doesn't have any super creative edgeguards, what's there is there. I guess the ledgehop bair, but Peach can float over the edge entirely.
Fair beating Peach's nair... I dunno. There's really no such thing as aerial priority, so it's a kinda ambiguous question. Her nair comes out fast, so you will probably trade hits unless you space it really well.
Fair beating Peach's nair... I dunno. There's really no such thing as aerial priority, so it's a kinda ambiguous question. Her nair comes out fast, so you will probably trade hits unless you space it really well.
Vader Rue
Smash Apprentice
If its been talked about can someone point me to the vs C.Falc discussion, and maybe ICs? in this thread or other location.
Low Rider1717
Smash Cadet
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Can I get Some Marth vs Bowser please?
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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Fortress out of shield and edgeguard like crazy.
dashdancedan
Smash Journeyman
I think all of the best matchup advice from this topic should be collected and added to the first post.
ICEDTEA1325
Smash Apprentice
i agree but only if you want gimpy. that would help me alot(and most likely others)
Xeedoc
Smash Cadet
How about that matchup advice...
Best way to fight a YL? Projectiles aren't fun...
Best way to fight a YL? Projectiles aren't fun...