The "best" players

[Brookman]

Jman plays to win, I approve this style, and I approve this message.

 

[SSBMLahti]

Jman plays to win, I approve this style, and I approve this message.

RayWilliamJohnson, where you at?!

 

[Nø Ca$h]

jman ur getting trolled.

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

jman ur getting trolled.

I'm not so sur.

 

[strawhats]

Improving or not, the fact remains that Ken ***** M2k too many times to count.

Also the only time M2k beat Ken in tournament with Marth was at 0c3, and ken literally did not sleep the night before because he had to coordinate the tournament. If you look at the matches between Ken vs PC Chris from that tournament and at Evo 2007 the difference is obvious.

just so you know...m2k beat crazy return, beat ken at MLG All Star Crew Battle, and also beat him at OC3 with marth (m2k also challenged ken to a MM at Evo World which he denied) also it was inevitable that ken would be surpassed as he began losing to pc chris and kdj within that same year.

Just accept that M2K was better then Ken(for that period of time) just like I had to accept that mango is better than m2k and probably the best player to have ever played this game...NO JOHNS.

 

[Druggedfox]

I don't get it, that's a seel.

<3 this

 

[Merkuri]

just so you know...m2k beat crazy return, beat ken at MLG All Star Crew Battle, and also beat him at OC3 with marth (m2k also challenged ken to a MM at Evo World which he denied) also it was inevitable that ken would be surpassed as he began losing to pc chris and kdj within that same year.

Just accept that M2K was better then Ken(for that period of time) just like I had to accept that mango is better than m2k and probably the best player to have ever played this game...NO JOHNS.

I really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak.

(I don't know why you mentioned Crazy return) Crew battles don't mean anything. Mew2king beat Mango in Genesis crew battles yet everyone knows Mango is better. I'll give Mew2king credit for beating Ken at OC3 but their record is still like 9-3 in Ken's favor; it is just ******** to say mew2king is better based off 1 match, had Mew2king beat Mango at the next tournament people wouldn't be saying M2k is the better player(well you probably would cuz you **** ride him lol) not to mention the fact that Ken got no sleeps the night before OC3 since he had to coordinate the tournamnet.

You say it's obvious Ken would be surpassed since he started losing to KDJ and PC Chris? Um KDJ would **** wreck Mew2king harder than he would wreck Ken(I mean that is what happened), and at the very same tournament Mew2king beat Ken, Mew2king lost to PC Chris twice so I don't know where you're going with this :/

The last tournament the two players attended(which was the biggest tournament ever at the time) Mew2king got 9th and Ken got 1st. I don't know what you're basing this idiot logic that Mew2king was obviously the best player off of.

 

[Druggedfox]

First, crew battles do mean something. They don't mean as much as tournament results, but it is assumed that both players are playing seriously.

Additionally, your point about ken's record vs m2k is terrible. M2K was still improving, while ken was at his prime. OF COURSE mew2king had a losing record. Good job.

And for all your johns about Ken being tired, you never look at the other side. Are you aware that at FCD m2k wrecked PC Chris even harder than PC beat m2k at OC3? It's just unfortunate that they weren't recorded.

Additionally, mew2king placing 9th was a freak happening. His skill level immediately before and afterwards clearly suggests that he shouldn't be placing 9th at a tournament. If he had consistently placed badly, that'd be another story. Additionally, until mango defeated m2k, m2k was pretty much considered the best player. That's WHY mango beating him was such a big deal.

KDJ would wreck m2k? I'm pretty sure m2k vs kdj sets were pretty close, usually. I don't really recall any set where KDJ overall "wrecked" m2k, while you seem to blatantly ignore sets where he's done well. I don't care who's right, but if you think his logic is bad maybe you need to take a look at your own.

"I really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak." Right back at you, bro.

Edit: I wouldn't bother responding, because you probably won't get a response back. I'd much rather zhu comment on his pokemon joke some more.

 

[strawhats]

first, crew battles do mean something. They don't mean as much as tournament results, but it is assumed that both players are playing seriously.

Additionally, your point about ken's record vs m2k is terrible. M2k was still improving, while ken was at his prime. Of course mew2king had a losing record. Good job.

And for all your johns about ken being tired, you never look at the other side. Are you aware that at fcd m2k wrecked pc chris even harder than pc beat m2k at oc3? It's just unfortunate that they weren't recorded.

Additionally, mew2king placing 9th was a freak happening. His skill level immediately before and afterwards clearly suggests that he shouldn't be placing 9th at a tournament. If he had consistently placed badly, that'd be another story. Additionally, until mango defeated m2k, m2k was pretty much considered the best player. That's why mango beating him was such a big deal.

Kdj would wreck m2k? I'm pretty sure m2k vs kdj sets were pretty close, usually. I don't really recall any set where kdj overall "wrecked" m2k, while you seem to blatantly ignore sets where he's done well. I don't care who's right, but if you think his logic is bad maybe you need to take a look at your own.

"i really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak." right back at you, bro.

this over 9000x this


BTW @ Merkuri...there's theory (what ifs) and reality learn the difference.

I gave up trying to impose my opinions along time ago because i know no mater how much i present the relevant pertinent facts to you and people in general your pride will not allow you to change your view point.(an opinion is an opinion and i wont try to disuade your feelings on this topic, if you truly feel that ken is the better player than more power to you, thats your business)

Like drugged fox said m2k's record against pc chris was moreso in his favor than the other way around. (M2K ***** the living **** outta pc chris at FCD).
also looking at several tournaments following that (OC3) m2k beat pc at SCC, MLG Long Island, and Pound 3.

BTW m2k and kdj matches were ****ing epic dont get that **** crossed (Ken is on of my favs but kdj became a counter to ken). Although KDJ has a favorable record against m2k the matches were hella close.

I also noticed you conveniently skipped over the part where i said m2k openly challenged ken to marth ditos at EVO WORD 2k7 AND KEN TURNED HIM DOWN.

I've also spoke with several people who know ken personally and they've told me ken hated m2k's style and literally did not want to fight him (aka m2k got in his head). I actually think ken did not like m2k.

THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT MANGO IS THE BEST ****ING SMASH PAYER TO HAVE EVER PICKED UP A GAMECUBE CONTROLLER...NUFF SAID.

 

[ruhtraeel]

Although it's unexciting, I never complain when people do stuff that works. That's why I actually love how Hbox doesn't even need projectiles to camp and he still manages to **** everyone.

Thumbs up for Jman camping vs Amsah
Thumbs up for Amsah reacting very appropriately and winning
Thumbs up for gay strats
Thumbs down for watching them


And thumbs up for Amsah doing the opposite of Mango.
IE. Originally claiming that someone really good (Captain Jack) isn't that impressive, and then learning that being humble is the way to go (and gets more respect/props anyways)

 

[PB&J]

jman- ill be in ny in like 10 days..see u soon

 

[Merkuri]

First, crew battles do mean something. They don't mean as much as tournament results, but it is assumed that both players are playing seriously.

Additionally, your point about ken's record vs m2k is terrible. M2K was still improving, while ken was at his prime. OF COURSE mew2king had a losing record. Good job.

And for all your johns about Ken being tired, you never look at the other side. Are you aware that at FCD m2k wrecked PC Chris even harder than PC beat m2k at OC3? It's just unfortunate that they weren't recorded.

Additionally, mew2king placing 9th was a freak happening. His skill level immediately before and afterwards clearly suggests that he shouldn't be placing 9th at a tournament. If he had consistently placed badly, that'd be another story. Additionally, until mango defeated m2k, m2k was pretty much considered the best player. That's WHY mango beating him was such a big deal.

KDJ would wreck m2k? I'm pretty sure m2k vs kdj sets were pretty close, usually. I don't really recall any set where KDJ overall "wrecked" m2k, while you seem to blatantly ignore sets where he's done well. I don't care who's right, but if you think his logic is bad maybe you need to take a look at your own.

"I really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak." Right back at you, bro.

Edit: I wouldn't bother responding, because you probably won't get a response back. I'd much rather zhu comment on his pokemon joke some more.

It's fine if you don't respond to me, I just want to point out how dumb your argument.

I suppose technically they mean something, but it's so insignificant that it's not worth considering. I don't know where you get this dumb idea that players take crew mattles seriously, Mango going Mario at Apex crew battles is not taking it seriously, granted he's trying to win but the fact that nothing personal is at stake drastically negates it's importance.

You missed the point about their records , a single win doesn't amount to anything. Mew2king beat Ken, big deal. Ken has beaten him countless times before. You blatantly ignore my Mew2king vs Mango example, stop being dumb. It's not as if Mew2king improved and then was always beating Ken, it was one match. It's comparable to DRPP beating HBOX at Herb 3, people said he corrected the mistakes in his Puff game and then he goes and lose every set afterwards to HBOX, big improvement :rollseyes:

PC beat M2k in winners at FCD, but none of which is relevant, being as I never stated PC Chris was better than Mew2king. The point is just as PC occasionally beat Ken he would also occasionally beat Mew2king.

Mew2king placing 9th evo was not a ''freak accident'', he was beaten by the best players. Before and after evo it was proven that he wasn't unbeatable, at Evo he got beat; it happens. Him getting 9th place at evo is a testament to the wealth of talent which was at evo, similar to Ken getting 4th at OC3.

You're pretty sure their sets were close? Lol dumb. Go check out winners final of MLG long Island where KDJ 3-0d him(the last match is even a 3 stock if ircc); it's all on youtube.

I don't believe you've made a single good point. I really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak.

this over 9000x this


BTW @ Merkuri...there's theory (what ifs) and reality learn the difference.

I gave up trying to impose my opinions along time ago because i know no mater how much i present the relevant pertinent facts to you and people in general your pride will not allow you to change your view point.(an opinion is an opinion and i wont try to disuade your feelings on this topic, if you truly feel that ken is the better player than more power to you, thats your business)

Like drugged fox said m2k's record against pc chris was moreso in his favor than the other way around. (M2K ***** the living **** outta pc chris at FCD).
also looking at several tournaments following that (OC3) m2k beat pc at SCC, MLG Long Island, and Pound 3.

BTW m2k and kdj matches were ****ing epic dont get that **** crossed (Ken is on of my favs but kdj became a counter to ken). Although KDJ has a favorable record against m2k the matches were hella close.

I also noticed you conveniently skipped over the part where i said m2k openly challenged ken to marth ditos at EVO WORD 2k7 AND KEN TURNED HIM DOWN.

I've also spoke with several people who know ken personally and they've told me ken hated m2k's style and literally did not want to fight him (aka m2k got in his head). I actually think ken did not like m2k.

THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT MANGO IS THE BEST ****ING SMASH PAYER TO HAVE EVER PICKED UP A GAMECUBE CONTROLLER...NUFF SAID.

There is no what ifs in my argument, I'm simply analyzing the various skills level of the pros back then.

Neither you or me were saying PC was better than either Mew2king or Ken, so I don't know why you're bringing up how badly M2k beat PC.

KDJ was just as much a counter to Mew2king as he was to PC. after OC3 when mew2king was supposedly the best, he still got whupped pretty badly at MLG Long Island and VLS by KDJ.

I ignored the fact that Mew2king turned down the money match because it was a silly point. That point only has weight in hypothetical situation that Mew2king would have beaten him had they done the mm. I don't know the validity of his claim but after the tournament Ken said that Cactuar and Mew2king himself said that M2k was afraid of fighting him in the tournament(btw Mew2king only challenged Ken after he was eliminated from the tournament)

Your entire argument centers around the fact that Mew2king bet Ken at a single tournament, ignoring the fact that Ken beat him a multitude of times before then. The short era where Mew2king was supposedly the best was no where ner as dominant as the eras were Mango and Ken were declared to be the best, Mew2king would lose to players who weren't even considered top 5 in the country(*cough Drephen cough*) I never understood where this massive wave of M2k **** riders came from.

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Edit: I wouldn't bother responding, because you probably won't get a response back. I'd much rather zhu comment on his pokemon joke some more.

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[PoundSlap]

I didnt want to try to make people hate jman i just wanted to point out that even if your good at smash u can be a ******. And only cuz little jwoman fangirls cry if i call him a ****** cuz of his lack of arguing skills and ignorant behaviour this doesnt make him more intelligent

 

[Divinokage]

I didnt want to try to make people hate jman i just wanted to point out that even if your good at smash u can be a ******. And only cuz little jwoman fangirls cry if i call him a ****** cuz of his lack of arguing skills and ignorant behaviour this doesnt make him more intelligent

You are just as much a ****** for insulting someone for no reason. Don't be a ****.

 

[PoundSlap]

I told my opinion why its wrong to not take people seriously only by judging their skill level. Im sorry if it was too offensive but people like jman are a pain. Anyway im glad u admitted that hes a ****** too

 

[Cactuar]

Lol. Its always the nobodies that argue the hardest.

 

[PoundSlap]

that logic fails. your a nobody for me as well so i dont see the parallels. and that im a nobody does not mean that there cannot be anyone for whom im a somebody. you see this does not have anything to do with each other.

 

[FoxLisk]

threads like this make me hate this community

 

[strawhats]

It's fine if you don't respond to me, I just want to point out how dumb your argument.

I suppose technically they mean something, but it's so insignificant that it's not worth considering. I don't know where you get this dumb idea that players take crew mattles seriously, Mango going Mario at Apex crew battles is not taking it seriously, granted he's trying to win but the fact that nothing personal is at stake drastically negates it's importance.

You missed the point about their records , a single win doesn't amount to anything. Mew2king beat Ken, big deal. Ken has beaten him countless times before. You blatantly ignore my Mew2king vs Mango example, stop being dumb. It's not as if Mew2king improved and then was always beating Ken, it was one match. It's comparable to DRPP beating HBOX at Herb 3, people said he corrected the mistakes in his Puff game and then he goes and lose every set afterwards to HBOX, big improvement :rollseyes:

PC beat M2k in winners at FCD, but none of which is relevant, being as I never stated PC Chris was better than Mew2king. The point is just as PC occasionally beat Ken he would also occasionally beat Mew2king.

Mew2king placing 9th evo was not a ''freak accident'', he was beaten by the best players. Before and after evo it was proven that he wasn't unbeatable, at Evo he got beat; it happens. Him getting 9th place at evo is a testament to the wealth of talent which was at evo, similar to Ken getting 4th at OC3.

You're pretty sure their sets were close? Lol dumb. Go check out winners final of MLG long Island where KDJ 3-0d him(the last match is even a 3 stock if ircc); it's all on youtube.

I don't believe you've made a single good point. I really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak.



There is no what ifs in my argument, I'm simply analyzing the various skills level of the pros back then.

Neither you or me were saying PC was better than either Mew2king or Ken, so I don't know why you're bringing up how badly M2k beat PC.

KDJ was just as much a counter to Mew2king as he was to PC. after OC3 when mew2king was supposedly the best, he still got whupped pretty badly at MLG Long Island and VLS by KDJ.

I ignored the fact that Mew2king turned down the money match because it was a silly point. That point only has weight in hypothetical situation that Mew2king would have beaten him had they done the mm. I don't know the validity of his claim but after the tournament Ken said that Cactuar and Mew2king himself said that M2k was afraid of fighting him in the tournament(btw Mew2king only challenged Ken after he was eliminated from the tournament)

Your entire argument centers around the fact that Mew2king bet Ken at a single tournament, ignoring the fact that Ken beat him a multitude of times before then. The short era where Mew2king was supposedly the best was no where ner as dominant as the eras were Mango and Ken were declared to be the best, Mew2king would lose to players who weren't even considered top 5 in the country(*cough Drephen cough*) I never understood where this massive wave of M2k **** riders came from.

Sigh...i m just gonna let it go...its not worth the verbiage

 

[t3h Icy]

Merkuri has a talent at spewing garbage and then saying you have a logic problem if you disagree.

 

[Shadow Huan]

I also noticed you conveniently skipped over the part where i said m2k openly challenged ken to marth ditos at EVO WORD 2k7 AND KEN TURNED HIM DOWN.

I've also spoke with several people who know ken personally and they've told me ken hated m2k's style and literally did not want to fight him (aka m2k got in his head). I actually think ken did not like m2k.

I ignored the fact that Mew2king turned down the money match because it was a silly point. That point only has weight in hypothetical situation that Mew2king would have beaten him had they done the mm. I don't know the validity of his claim but after the tournament Ken said that Cactuar and Mew2king himself said that M2k was afraid of fighting him in the tournament(btw Mew2king only challenged Ken after he was eliminated from the tournament)

I didn't want to butt in on this because lurking was fun... but LOL what?

When i do MM sets it's always after I'm out of the tourny. that way there's no warm-up-johns. How is M2K asking for the MM after the tourny a negitive point? I would think that Ken turning him down is the stronger point but that's just me.

also LOL @ Zhu and Jman's trolling. too good

 

[Archangel]

it's fine if you don't respond to me, i just want to point out how dumb your argument.

I suppose technically they mean something, but it's so insignificant that it's not worth considering. I don't know where you get this dumb idea that players take crew mattles seriously, mango going mario at apex crew battles is not taking it seriously, granted he's trying to win but the fact that nothing personal is at stake drastically negates it's importance.

You missed the point about their records , a single win doesn't amount to anything. Mew2king beat ken, big deal. Ken has beaten him countless times before. You blatantly ignore my mew2king vs mango example, stop being dumb. It's not as if mew2king improved and then was always beating ken, it was one match. It's comparable to drpp beating hbox at herb 3, people said he corrected the mistakes in his puff game and then he goes and lose every set afterwards to hbox, big improvement :rollseyes:

Pc beat m2k in winners at fcd, but none of which is relevant, being as i never stated pc chris was better than mew2king. The point is just as pc occasionally beat ken he would also occasionally beat mew2king.

Mew2king placing 9th evo was not a ''freak accident'', he was beaten by the best players. Before and after evo it was proven that he wasn't unbeatable, at evo he got beat; it happens. Him getting 9th place at evo is a testament to the wealth of talent which was at evo, similar to ken getting 4th at oc3.

You're pretty sure their sets were close? Lol dumb. Go check out winners final of mlg long island where kdj 3-0d him(the last match is even a 3 stock if ircc); it's all on youtube.

I don't believe you've made a single good point. I really think that your logic sucks and your argument is weak.



There is no what ifs in my argument, i'm simply analyzing the various skills level of the pros back then.

Neither you or me were saying pc was better than either mew2king or ken, so i don't know why you're bringing up how badly m2k beat pc.

Kdj was just as much a counter to mew2king as he was to pc. After oc3 when mew2king was supposedly the best, he still got whupped pretty badly at mlg long island and vls by kdj.

I ignored the fact that mew2king turned down the money match because it was a silly point. That point only has weight in hypothetical situation that mew2king would have beaten him had they done the mm. I don't know the validity of his claim but after the tournament ken said that cactuar and mew2king himself said that m2k was afraid of fighting him in the tournament(btw mew2king only challenged ken after he was eliminated from the tournament)

your entire argument centers around the fact that mew2king bet ken at a single tournament, ignoring the fact that ken beat him a multitude of times before then. The short era where mew2king was supposedly the best was no where ner as dominant as the eras were mango and ken were declared to be the best, mew2king would lose to players who weren't even considered top 5 in the country(*cough drephen cough*) i never understood where this massive wave of m2k **** riders came from.

whaaaaaaat!?????? Loooooooooool

Your logic is foul son. Seriously though your like wanna those but hurt Cowboys fans that brings up how many past Superbowls they won instead of admitting how bad they suck. lol

 

[ruhtraeel]

"There is no what ifs in my argument, i'm simply analyzing the various skills level of the pros back then."

Lol confident/arrogant much?

Meruki is taking the data of the results (ie. who won etc) and providing information (information is data that has been interpreted to represent something). This in mind, of course it is going to be biased, because it sort of can't be. I can see why people will disagree with him.

IMO
Most successful = Ken
Most skilled of all time = Mango
Most skilled of their time = Ken

M2K had a period after Ken began to stop training as hard where he became the most dominant player. However, it was quite short (compared to people like Ken), because an alchoholic bum who happened to be amazing at Melee wandered into the scene.

1. Mango
2. Armada/Hbox
4. M2K/Amsah

 

[ruhtraeel]

Double post for a reason.


The original intent of the thread was to inform the "curious" threadmaker of the "best" players to currently play the game.

We've discussed it thoroughly enough. We've all mostly agreed on the same top 5 people. We've answered the original question asked by the original asker. There's no real point in keeping this thread alive, because it's just going to be debates from here on.

Close plz

 

[Bamesy]

Victra is right.
Superboom is Top 3 as far as smash players go in the world all time. Not for a single game, but all of smash.

Isai is the ONLY one better than him in 64, and Isai is the 64 god. If Isai wasn't there, Boomy would be the 64 god, because NOBODY can touch him after Isai the way NOBODY can touch Isai.

He has placed 1st at EVERYTHING since the day Brawl was released throughout ALL of WC Canada. Beating lot of top players of the game at the time, not sure how the scene is anymore.

He does really freakin good in melee, despite having 0% interest in it, much like Isai.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf1Bv_jzSuM&feature=related#t=1m32s
9 stocks is not bad for hating the game.

 

[Merkuri]

whaaaaaaat!?????? Loooooooooool

Your logic is foul son. Seriously though your like wanna those but hurt Cowboys fans that brings up how many past Superbowls they won instead of admitting how bad they suck. lol

What? In what way does that analogy apply to my argument. I don't mind if you want try and refute my argument but provide a decent argument and don't just be a dumb troll.

M2K had a period after Ken began to stop training as hard where he became the most dominant player. However, it was quite short (compared to people like Ken), because an alchoholic bum who happened to be amazing at Melee wandered into the scene.

It was more than just short, it simply wasn't that dominant. People attribute's M2k's era to begin after OC3 where he beat Ken, keeping in mind here that he didn't even win OC3. Looking at significant tournaments after that, he won Evo west, then got 9th at Evo world. Won SCC, and then got 4th a VLS(Pound 3 was right after VLS), granted he won a bunch of smaller tournaments but I don't even see why people claim it was M2k's era, he wasn't even winning all the major tournaments. The time between OC3 and Pound 3 is like 6 months anyways, so there is like a 6 month period M2k was playing really well but wasn't winning most of the national tournaments; yeah that's definitely the m2k era

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

merkuri..you're arguing so much..for a second just stop typing, think about how little you proving this stuff will matter in your life at all, and then just continue on with your life.

i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one who's been skipping your argument, it's like 10 pages of wahhhwahh's over **** that literally means nothing anymore. nothing can be proven who's better and it honestly doesn't matter. i doubt M2K or KEN care AT ALL.

On a better note, here's my nigggguh emerican finding ken at blizzcon this year =D

 

[Archangel]

What? In what way does that analogy apply to my argument. I don't mind if you want try and refute my argument but provide a decent argument and don't just be a dumb troll.



It was more than just short, it simply wasn't that dominant. People attribute's M2k's era to begin after OC3 where he beat Ken, keeping in mind here that he didn't even win OC3. Looking at significant tournaments after that, he won Evo west, then got 9th at Evo world. Won SCC, and then got 4th a VLS(Pound 3 was right after VLS), granted he won a bunch of smaller tournaments but I don't even see why people claim it was M2k's era, he wasn't even winning all the major tournaments. The time between OC3 and Pound 3 is like 6 months anyways, so there is like a 6 month period M2k was playing really well but wasn't winning most of the national tournaments; yeah that's definitely the m2k era

Being dumb? ***** you just quoted me saying some **** I didn't even say lol.

ok in terms of dominance it's true what you and the actual guy your quoting say. If i'm not mistaken alot of people considered KDJ and Chu as just as good...at least notable people anyway. However it was the same as right now in this very thread. People have their opinions. M2K Might not have been the best at all. However He's clearly the better Marth. Even now as he verges on quitting the game no other Marth can hold a candle to what he does. Ken was a Legend...key word being WAS. In games like Melee the present and future are really all that matters. For example. during the Ken era Samus was a Major threat, Fox's weren't as good, Falco's weren't as good, Falcon's weren't as good, Peaches weren't as good, Puff's weren't as good, Doc's weren't as good, Ganon's weren't as good, Other Marth's(except my boy azen) weren't as good, Pika's weren't as good(lol), mewtwo's weren't as good(lolol) and sheiks....were about the same lol.(sheik's so auto).

pretty much everything is different. Prime ken wouldn't come close to dominating todays scene with his level of skill. where as Mango could dominate that era easily. Times change and players and overall player skill changes with them. In fact people who use to 3 stock me in 06. I 4 stock at will now. Even if they beat me 9000 times in the past it doesn't matter now.

 

[Shadow Huan]

merkuri..you're arguing so much..for a second just stop typing, think about how little you proving this stuff will matter in your life at all, and then just continue on with your life.

i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one who's been skipping your argument, it's like 10 pages of wahhhwahh's over **** that literally means nothing anymore. nothing can be proven who's better and it honestly doesn't matter. i doubt M2K or KEN care AT ALL.

On a better note, here's my nigggguh emerican finding ken at blizzcon this year =D

^^ that. Also that pic is from this year? Epic. Did he play melee there too?

 

[Iron Dragon]

*sigh* Why am I even bothering....

1. Mango is the greatest of all-time. Can't accept it, your fault for not being able to accept facts.

2. M2K/Ken discussion can go on forever but it was true that Ken beat him while M2K was improving and even so their sets were ridiculously close.

3. Arguments for KDJ being better than M2K in 2006/2007 can never be made because KDJ never took a single set off of Azen.
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ANYWAYS

People, if you're going to continue to talk about who the best are in a constructive, non-flaming manner then that's cool. If not this thread should definitely be locked. Whoever the **** got it all off topic with Isai/Ken/KDJ/old players from a time we no longer care about or should even speculate on because it's so old should be shot. I hate myself for even replying to anybody regarding any of this old **** but hopefully we can get back ON ****ING TOPIC.

This is just ridiculous.

 

[Merkuri]

Being dumb? ***** you just quoted me saying some **** I didn't even say lol.

ok in terms of dominance it's true what you and the actual guy your quoting say. If i'm not mistaken alot of people considered KDJ and Chu as just as good...at least notable people anyway. However it was the same as right now in this very thread. People have their opinions. M2K Might not have been the best at all. However He's clearly the better Marth. Even now as he verges on quitting the game no other Marth can hold a candle to what he does. Ken was a Legend...key word being WAS. In games like Melee the present and future are really all that matters. For example. during the Ken era Samus was a Major threat, Fox's weren't as good, Falco's weren't as good, Falcon's weren't as good, Peaches weren't as good, Puff's weren't as good, Doc's weren't as good, Ganon's weren't as good, Other Marth's(except my boy azen) weren't as good, Pika's weren't as good(lol), mewtwo's weren't as good(lolol) and sheiks....were about the same lol.(sheik's so auto).

pretty much everything is different. Prime ken wouldn't come close to dominating todays scene with his level of skill. where as Mango could dominate that era easily. Times change and players and overall player skill changes with them. In fact people who use to 3 stock me in 06. I 4 stock at will now. Even if they beat me 9000 times in the past it doesn't matter now.

Read people's arguments before interjecting your idiocy please. I never said anything about Ken being a threat in today's metagame, my argument was solely it was never certain than m2k was ever better than Ken while they both took the game seriously.

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Metaknight da bess.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

that video da worst.

'da bess' has been the worst thing ever introduced to the smash community

1/10

 

[Archangel]

Read people's arguments before interjecting your idiocy please. I never said anything about Ken being a threat in today's metagame, my argument was solely it was never certain than m2k was ever better than Ken while they both took the game seriously.

lol...you missed the point of my post I guess. I never said you said anything. Otherwise I would've quoted something specific. I'm just saying Ken at his best was better then M2K before he reached his full potential. No need for anymore arbitrary statements though. The fact that you put in "While they both took the game seriously" Suggests that you don't believe M2K's win over Ken was legit or something..... You think Ken in his prime is better then any of the current top 20 in the world? I just wanna know.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

that logic fails. your a nobody for me as well so i dont see the parallels. and that im a nobody does not mean that there cannot be anyone for whom im a somebody. you see this does not have anything to do with each other.

awww ****... ***** did not just call cactuar a nobody.. ive rode mad dìck on these boards, but i ride for cactus over anybody.

 

[Druggedfox]

Metaknight da bess.

Hungrybox counters metaknight, cuz hungrybox da bess.

 

[strawhats]

lol...you missed the point of my post I guess. I never said you said anything. Otherwise I would've quoted something specific. I'm just saying Ken at his best was better then M2K before he reached his full potential. No need for anymore arbitrary statements though. The fact that you put in "While they both took the game seriously" Suggests that you don't believe M2K's win over Ken was legit or something..... You think Ken in his prime is better then any of the current top 20 in the world? I just wanna know.

spam, it aint even worth it. No matter what you say he'll come up with some rebuttal to refute any plausible argument you have. (just ignore him and move on)

 

[Theftz22]

The sheer amount of ad hominem and appeal to authority in this thread is staggering.

Good **** smash community.

 

[Lovage]

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