The Battle for Power! (Matchmaking & Video Thread)

[Z1GMA]

After playing a lot of not-so-good newcomers, I eventually played a decent Roy in FG yesterday (1.0.8 day 1) who took me down pretty handily. Although I wasn't playing my best, I've included a couple of the games here to watch if you'd like. Here are a few things I learned in this MU:
- Use caution air dodging after his down throw: if you, like me, are in the habit of expecting an aerial followup you can get read with a hard-hitting up-smash.
- His recovery is hard to challenge--I didn't have any success with my nair vs. his up special. I'm curious if bair or tipman would be effective if you jump past him while he recovers low
- His shorthop nair is quick and can lead to followups
- He might not be quite as fast as Marth, but he got a lot of fast grabs in, so don't underestimate his speed

Ya, his up+b is tricky to edgeguard. You'll have to sort of hit him from below with Uair, or at his neck/back with a Stomp.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Ya, his up+b is tricky to edgeguard. You'll have to sort of hit him from below with Uair, or at his neck/back with a Stomp.

Not too hard to tipman U-air Roy after hitting him with F-tilt. It's possible but inconsistent to also try trading with his Up-B with N-air and F-air.

 

[MKchouy]

For anyone interested, I made a ganon montage that I think is pretty entertaining if I do say so myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJNozzTmbA

Enjoy the disrespect

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I like to see that technology: dair to tipman to forced-get-up fsmash.

 

[Gold_TSG]

*deleted*.

 

[Garioshi]

A2, I'm calling shenanigans on some parts of our matches. Ghasts's connection made some horrible lag spikes. Like the one where I was halfway through my dtilt animation and the spike existed solely to let you put up your shield. I'm honestly salty with Ghasts right now.

 

[Panchito]

I have some webms of some silly ****, where could I upload them so I can share them here?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

I enjoyed this;

 

[A2ZOMG]

A2, I'm calling shenanigans on some parts of our matches. Ghasts's connection made some horrible lag spikes. Like the one where I was halfway through my dtilt animation and the spike existed solely to let you put up your shield. I'm honestly salty with Ghasts right now.

Honestly I don't mind if you suggest another time. I only got in what, 2 games before I left due to lag? I have more shenanigans to show, hopefully under less laggy conditions.

 

[adom4]

@ Ray_Kalm got a compilation video from his last tournament

 

[Garioshi]

Can do. Is the Brawl Ganon icon the new Kappa?

 

[Garioshi]

I should mention that there's a Ganon who goes by Das Boot who is about equal with me in a mirror but I feel does better in overall matchups. He's on stream far more than I am at http://www.hitbox.tv/ThatGameStore.

 

[Opana]

@ Z1GMA @ Dark Phazon

Hey thanks a bunch guys, glad you tolerated the horrible video quality as I had been trying to do many hype things for @ Ray_Kalm but didn't want to be any more annoying than I'd had been lol.

Honestly I'm proud yet ashamed of that ZeRo fight, I did some really great things yet5 bad as well, went through that phase of trying to implement dair much more than I should lol. I wasn't sure if it was him at first but I was on stream and everything, by chance on FG. I actually don't feel I played my best(Played 4 games, got thrashed games 1-3) but am overall satisfied. I saved the last two games in case he was real, didn't upload 3 as he sded.

I got some hilariously bad angles in my montage lmao, I still love watching it though despite the many cides. I actually had a clip vs. Dath, the Robin on BF, and Scatt, the MM at the end in there. Btw, both are amazing players and given the chance you gotta play them, both have been like my primary source for the MUs. Also, Scatt should be at like the top of B tier with that dorf imo, really solid in part because of his strong grasp of fundamentals.

Never saved my Nick Riddle matches but sent them out to most people on my FL, figured it'd discourage further matches and he was really fun to fight. I don't think I've ever been as on point lol, never played with so few errors and I didn't screw up my Dark Dives at all.

After this week I won't be around for a good while, but when I'm back I wanna start making major improvements so I can compete with you S tiers on equal footing, at least on wifi lol.

Oh and Usmash to Dark Dive Uppercut registered as a true combo on Roy when he was like in the 40-50% range, killing on Halberd. DI could ruin this but it's an exciting though. Semi Spike Uair can be hit from the front if you're close to clipping through their model and it leads into another Uair, which also counted as a combo on quite potentially everyone but it's super situational since they need to be at the ledge and you need a hard read.

If we somehow end up playing tomorrow expect lots of rust, haven't been free at all.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Im so upset Dark Fists..aint Ganon's neutral Up B...

 

[Opana]

I prefer DD for its speed and actually like the grab lol.

 

[Daeyrat]

But DD is strictly a recovery move. Dark Fists is much more.

 

[Opana]

Not how I use it, although in some mus like the mirror it doesn't have much use tbh since wizkick. I use the uppercut as a surprise kill or as a read on a jump usually, and I use the grab usually when I can chase with wizkick after in the air. I only ever see Ray and Gungnir use it to an extent and other dorf's who I fight a lot. I don't think any dorf who isn't 100% familiar with him should use DD at all though as it takes a good deal of practice to use effectively imo. DF is better but it is my preference.

 

[mgleed]

It occurred to me I haven't posted my info on here yet, I'd love to play with any of you guys sometime. I'm up for dittos and other matchups, I secondary ROB and can hold my own with most of the cast. I'm mgleed on Anther's, too.

User name: mgleed (aka aliigleed)
In-Game name: gleed
(Wii U) Nintendo Network ID: mgleed
Country of Residence: Arizona; U.S.
Palette Colour: Alt. 3 (Black armor)

 

[A2ZOMG]

But DD is strictly a recovery move. Dark Fists is much more.

Dark Dive has really situational utility out of shield and for pressuring platforms. Using it to actually grab someone who is shielding on a platform is not an unreasonable idea at moderate percents. Plus ledge jump Dark Dive can be an option to surprise people who try to edgetrap you that's a little bit less telegraphed than aerial Flame Choke.

Also situationally effective as an edgeguard, as the grabbox can cover a decent amount of space while you're facing backwards.

That being said...Dark Fists is generally the superior recovery move, and can get you out of certain juggles that would normally be a serious problem for Ganon.

 

[Blobface]

Anyone up for some matches today?

 

[adom4]

Anyone up for some matches today?

I'm up, it's 8:20 PM here now so i can play for a while.

 

[Blobface]

I'm up, it's 8:20 PM here now so i can play for a while.

Pardon the delay, I was doing some other things. I'm ready whenever. Customs on?

 

[adom4]

Pardon the delay, I was doing some other things. I'm ready whenever. Customs on?

I can play in around in hour.

 

[mgleed]

Found the VOD of Ray Kalm's showing at EXP 2015. These were pretty fun to watch!
[URL]http://www.twitch.tv/egeofficial/v/6956838[/URL]

Sets at 2:26:10, 3:26:00, 5:14:15, 5:26:40, 6:21:00.
Favorite moments at 2:26:39, 3:33:10, 3:33:55, 5:18:50, 5:39:15.

Win or lose, what you did to M2K in that first game was epic!!

 

[A2ZOMG]

@ Ray_Kalm You REALLY should do pivot F-smash out of Flame Choke. This is a safe way to cover regular stand and getup attack, and possibly inward roll. This especially would have helped you vs McSpeedy.

 

[Vermanubis]

Anyone up for some games on 3DS?

 

[HeavyLobster]

http://www.twitch.tv/livingstudios/b/676084809 Here's a stream of my local. My matches start at 12:40, 48:10, 1:22:47, and 1:28:45. I got 4th place out of 12, and I've been getting 4th almost every week. Is there anything I can work on that someone here can critique?

 

[MintyBreeze]

Anyone up for some games on 3DS?

Even if it's probably not good for my health, yes.

 

[Vermanubis]

http://www.twitch.tv/livingstudios/b/676084809 Here's a stream of my local. My matches start at 12:40, 48:10, 1:22:47, and 1:28:45. I got 4th place out of 12, and I've been getting 4th almost every week. Is there anything I can work on that someone here can critique?

Instead of loading you up with little nitpicks, the one thing I think would benefit you the most at this point, Heavy, is getting comfortable using Ganon's aerials in neutral. There were a lot of times, especially against the Jiggles, where he overextended and was begging for a NAir or UAir. You're good at finding openings with Wizkick though. Also, when spacing/playing neutral on the ground, DTilt's probably Ganon's single greatest tool for pokes. I've come to learn that learning to play footsies with Ganon is <really> important, and especially in certain matchups, vital (Rosalina, Jiggs, etc.)

So yeah, my thoughts are that finding ways to incorporate aerials into your neutral game are vital to taking things to the next level. Also be wary of your habits, so you can recognize when they're being exploited. Most of the time they went unpunished, but for instance, throwing out a move with lots of cooldown then spotdodging or something like that.

Also, empty movement's important. The Jiggs especially was able to kind of control the pace of the match, since she was able to push you to the corner a lot. For example, empty short hops, throwing out retreating BAirs -- just so that you're not a sitting target.

@ MintyBreeze : Sorry man, missed you. Maybe later this evening?

Also, case anyone's interested, I finally got some good matches on FG against a good Link:

 

[MintyBreeze]

Later this evening sounds fine! Also, weird, it didn't alert me that I was tagged.

 

[Vermanubis]

@ MintyBreeze : I got about 25 minutes right now. You down?

 

[MintyBreeze]

Okay, I'll get there. The friend request is still pending, though.

 

[Vermanubis]

Yeah, I'll have you added up in a sec.

Edit: Man, what a shame. I never experience any connection issues on FG, but I always have issues when I play friends.

 

[MintyBreeze]

Sorry that we couldn't have a connection uneffected match.

 

[Vermanubis]

Sorry that we couldn't have a connection uneffected match.

No worries, dude. It happens.

 

[Swoops]

I feel the darkness calling me...

I had quite a few dumb input errors. Big thanks to @ninrok for uploading these friendlies. Check his channel out when you can as it has a lot of good content.

I'm trying to limit my tourney characters to Luigi and GDorf at this point, but Ganon is still so damn fun that I really hope I can make him work on a consistent basis for main status. I'll try to get some stream matches so I can catch up to all the great work Kalm and Verm are putting in.

Also, PS, retreating perfect pivot USmash is the new thunderstorm. I think it could use a name. I propose "The man-can" or "Devil's Heel"

 

[A2ZOMG]

I feel the darkness calling me...

I had quite a few dumb input errors. Big thanks to @ninrok for uploading these friendlies. Check his channel out when you can as it has a lot of good content.

I'm trying to limit my tourney characters to Luigi and GDorf at this point, but Ganon is still so damn fun that I really hope I can make him work on a consistent basis for main status. I'll try to get some stream matches so I can catch up to all the great work Kalm and Verm are putting in.

Also, PS, retreating perfect pivot USmash is the new thunderstorm. I think it could use a name. I propose "The man-can" or "Devil's Heel"

I personally just do normal turnaround -> jump cancel U-smash. But yeah, retreating turnaround U-smash is pretty useful.

 

[jmanup85]

anyone wanna go a few rounds?

 

[Vermanubis]

anyone wanna go a few rounds?

I gotchu if you're still around.

 

[jmanup85]

I gotchu if you're still around.

Set up the lobby homie g dogg

edit: room is up