The 2006-2008 Tier list

[StripesOrBars]

At least we all agree that Kirby is teh suck.

 

[Samochan]

At least we all agree that Kirby is teh suck.

Or it just might be your imagination, cause I still don't agree. >_> But it really doesn't matter anyway, since the bottoms are very close in being sucky characters and the tier placement is really what matters, not where they stack inside tiers, cept maybe mewtwo who's imo, lower tier material (yes, I look at Taj, but also other players like Nihonjin and Ek, plus some else maybe who I'm not that familiar with). But that's just my point of view, though I like how KKK owns with his kirby. :3 It would be ignorant to ignore that when we see other one man army's out there when it comes to low tiers. >_>

 

[Del Money]

@Samochan
lol you said "ignorant to ignore" hehe. but seriously, those one man armies rely more on standing player skills (wavedashing, L-canceling, dashdancing, etc) more than they do on the characters actual meta-game. and those one-man armies have developed those skills to dominate on higher tier character players. if for instance, any low-tier were up against a high-tier and wavedashing, dashdancing, and L-canceling were disallowed for both players, the high-tier character would in most cases win.

 

[mood4food77]

i've posted that tier list like 8 times pretty much

every time, people have agreed with it...i don't feel like making the same reasons again and again

 

[Samochan]

@Samochan
lol you said "ignorant to ignore" hehe. but seriously, those one man armies rely more on standing player skills (wavedashing, L-canceling, dashdancing, etc) more than they do on the characters actual meta-game. and those one-man armies have developed those skills to dominate on higher tier character players. if for instance, any low-tier were up against a high-tier and wavedashing, dashdancing, and L-canceling were disallowed for both players, the high-tier character would in most cases win.

Huh, what..? That doesn't make any sense. >_> That's like talking about ssbm without any kind of techs, on a noob level, where peach and sheik would win by spamming stuff.

And it's definitely not all about techniques you know. I know the word "mindgames" is overused term, but it's a simple word to describe the mind factor of the game. I don't see how KKK could actually own someone with simple techs, seeing as kirby doesn't have that much, other than spacing, swallowcide and roll/sidesteps, stuff like that. >_> Playing smart is part of players skills and that's what mostly determines how good the player actually is. Everyone can learn techs with practice, but not everyone play really smart like the pro's do. Not everyone even have the mindset to do that.

Techs don't have much to do with how much Taj, Gimpy, KKK and other low tier players own. Everyone good enough know their techs and their characters, but the deciding factor is the ability to play smart. Falco can decide to shffle dair shine dair my shield if he wants, but if he's nothing more than a tech god and gets caught on parasol from shield, then I proceed to land and watch what he's doing and punish... doesn't really give him the edge in the fight. >_>

And every character has their own unique metagame. Or do I suddenly see a peach randomly shffling nairs all over the place, or pichu sidestepping and rolling around and trying to tilt everyone in sight? Didn't think so either. I can also see KKK abusing kirby's good evasive abilities to it's fullest when he plays, which is part of kirby's metagame, along with swallowciding etc.

 

[StripesOrBars]

Huh, what..? That doesn't make any sense. >_> That's like talking about ssbm without any kind of techs, on a noob level, where peach and sheik would win by spamming stuff.

And it's definitely not all about techniques you know. I know the word "mindgames" is overused term, but it's a simple word to describe the mind factor of the game. I don't see how KKK could actually own someone with simple techs, seeing as kirby doesn't have that much, other than spacing, swallowcide and roll/sidesteps, stuff like that. >_> Playing smart is part of players skills and that's what mostly determines how good the player actually is. Everyone can learn techs with practice, but not everyone play really smart like the pro's do. Not everyone even have the mindset to do that.

Techs don't have much to do with how much Taj, Gimpy, KKK and other low tier players own. Everyone good enough know their techs and their characters, but the deciding factor is the ability to play smart. Falco can decide to shffle dair shine dair my shield if he wants, but if he's nothing more than a tech god and gets caught on parasol from shield, then I proceed to land and watch what he's doing and punish... doesn't really give him the edge in the fight. >_>

And every character has their own unique metagame. Or do I suddenly see a peach randomly shffling nairs all over the place, or pichu sidestepping and rolling around and trying to tilt everyone in sight? Didn't think so either. I can also see KKK abusing kirby's good evasive abilities to it's fullest when he plays, which is part of kirby's metagame, along with swallowciding etc.

Look, Kirby is the worst, no way around it.

He's light, has NO kill moves that kill under 120%.

Leaving the only way for him to get reliable kills through his horrible edgeguarding game.

He also has low priority, laggy attacks, and his throws don't set him up for anything.

And who the hell is KKK and Gimpy?

Exactly.

 

[JUST A PIECE OF MEAT!!]

At least we all agree that Kirby is teh suck.

LOL your too funny doodah.




KIRBY SUCKS he should be last in the tiers.

 

[mood4food77]

yea, he sucks....literally

you don't know GIMPY...i mean he's the one who created the name boozer pretty much

and KKK is krazy kirby kid i think, the best kirby there is

 

[BigRick]

Hmm KKK seems to do better than Gimpy though...

His style is extremely gay, he camps the ledge like 80% of the time lol

 

[Endless Nightmares]

You're kidding, right? Gimpy removed all four of Da****ingShizWiz's stock during crews, and he beat DoH in pools among other things at FCD. I know KKK beat Caveman and Rob$, but...it's DaShizWiz!

 

[mood4food77]

dashizwiz, the best falco in the US now

 

[BigRick]

You're kidding, right? Gimpy removed all four of Da****ingShizWiz's stock during crews, and he beat DoH in pools among other things at FCD. I know KKK beat Caveman and Rob$, but...it's DaShizWiz!

LOL lets play devil's advocate here

1) him beating the shiz doesn't rly count cause its a crew battle
2) him beating DoH in pools is only because Bowser > Peach... or else we wouldn't have that many Mario Bros. videogames

 

[Pat/Pro]

dashizwiz, the best falco in the US now

Hes top 3 but i wouldnt say the best.

 

[Emblem Lord]

No, he is the best. No one else in the U.S plays enough with Falco or does well with him anymore.

 

[mood4food77]

PC stopped playing falco
Forward retired
who's left

 

[-Darc-]

I heard ssbmmasta22 has a pretty nice Falco.

 

[whatwhatwhatwhatwhat]

PC beat Ken 2-0 with Falco at OC3. He also went Falco at Evo West, along with Fox and Peach.

 

[theONEjanitor]

why's link higher than young link?
I thought it was agreed that speed is better than power. Link's laggy as ****
plus young link has a couple of **** moves like nair and 17% boomerangs

 

[ylink_underestimted]

why's link higher than young link?
I thought it was agreed that speed is better than power. Link's laggy as ****
plus young link has a couple of **** moves like nair and 17% boomerangs

cuz some still choose power over speed. most ppl really think y link is really weak. he isnt once u get to know how to use him

 

[kenny10]

It's because of Link's up+B probably. And probably because he's easier to combo with then Young Link.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

It's because of Link's up+B probably. And probably because he's easier to combo with then Young Link.

yea that upB sometimes pisses me off. altho, link doesnt really combo easier than y link. there some really good combos that u can pull off with y link. but then again u probly sed that cuz link jumps shorter than y link.

 

[mood4food77]

Link does better against everyone after falco than y. link pretty much

there's peach, zelda, jiggs, and link in which y. link is better

and also ICs

 

[Aesir]

PC is still the best falco. >.>

 

[mood4food77]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

 

[BigRick]

Shiz is just crazy...

When he starts his multishines my head goes like this

 

[Winston]

Young link's a bit faster, but it still doesn't mean much when both are outclassed completely in speed by fox and sheik. Link's other advantages help him vs most characters.

 

[Aesir]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

Then uhm you heard wrong? lol

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

Somehow i doubt that... He might use falco more often, that doesn't make his falco better.

 

[Pat/Pro]

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

PCs falco is better all around. Shiz still loses to random good people that PC wouldn't. Both great but PC is still better. I would assume forward would beat him too but if you say he retired than i guess shiz gets the 2 spot for sure.

 

[pr4n4y]

Pcs Falco is better, he just can play a lot of chars and doesnt use Falco as much as Dashiz.

 

[StripesOrBars]

PC is still the best falco. >.>

not anymore, i hear dashizwiz has a better falco than him now

PC also goes fox/marth most of the time

Shiz is just crazy...

When he starts his multishines my head goes like this

You know its funny.

Like back in Nov. of 05 was the first time I seen them. All 3 of the brothers(Shiz, SpeedN, SmashMac) played Falco as thier mains, and SpeedN played Falco but mained Shiek.

I remember watching Shiz, SpeedN, and SmashMac play.

They were the biggest n00bs ever.

Now, they own all. PC won't even Falco ditto them. He went Marth.

 

[Ryan-K]

PC doesn't falco ditto anyone in tournament really >_>

He went Marth on me but that doesn't make me a pro falco lol.

 

[Cort]

Falco dittos and Falco vs Fox require a higher level of technical skill that PC doesn't have/wants to deal with. So why not play an easier character and easily beat players he knows he should?

This is why Shiz isn't as good as he could be. He still loses to Peaches and Marths and Sheiks, while PC's Falco just... doesn't. Shiz is just not capable of winning large scale tournaments cause he just relies on his Falco/Fox and has a lot of bad matchups with them. PC is capable of beating Kens and M2Ks and KDJs cause his Falco is much more adaptable (just plain smarter), where I highly doubt Shiz could 2-0 Ken or 3-0 M2K in a high pressure winner's/loser's/finals set.

Reading mood4food's posts makes my eyes cringe.

 

[mood4food77]

which one...there are many....XD

fine, i thought PC gave up falco...like completely

that's what i heard and all

 

[Cort]

Pretty much all of them.

 

[Ryan-K]

Again you heard wrong.

 

[Omni]

I mean...
Mew2King and PC have been trading 1st and 2nd, although (correct me if I'm wrong), M2K has a longer winning streak while using Marth. Based off tournament results:

Marth is now #1.
Fox is #2.
Falco is #3.
Sheik is #4.

Why is Sheik so low even though KDJ beat M2K at Long Island, NY? Because KDJ's Sheik has been the only one to place top 3 in MLG's and other major tournaments recently, and KDJ's Sheik hasn't been seen since then. Also, these past tournaments show Drephen placing 4th consistently (which I think is amazing) behind M2K, PC, and Chu. Ken getting 4th at OC strengthens the fact that Marth should be #1, not to mention KDJ switching from Fox and using Marth much more.

Discuss.

 

[StripesOrBars]

I agree with the above post.

 

[REDRAGON]

so is the back room gonna make a new tier list???

Marth is now #1....no argument, and the old one says he is 4th...

 

[Wuss]

chu dat not considered for 2nd? He did win pound 2...

about the whole falco crap, I have disagree with cort saying that PC doesn't have technical skill to win those matches, you may be right that he doesn't want to bother, but he definitly has it IMO...

also, he falco ditto'd zang back in 06.