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The 2006-2008 Tier list

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ComradeCanada

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I'm not arguing that he's top tier, just take him out of the bottom, since he's a pretty good character due to the amount of damage he gives and his decent recovery.

He should at least be on top of Pikachu.
 

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Pikachu has very good speed, a strong usmash, very good recovery, and a pseudo-spike.
On top of that, there are more Pikachu players than Bowser players who place well in tourneys.

Why should Bowser be above Pikachu?
 

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I'm not arguing that he's top tier, just take him out of the bottom, since he's a pretty good character due to the amount of damage he gives and his decent recovery.

He should at least be on top of Pikachu.
He gives out heavy damage, sure. His horizontal recovery doesn't totally suck, okay. He survives to high % due to him being heavy, obviously...now...
His verticle recovery is terrible, he's really slow, his recovery is predictable, he's HUGE so he's easy to hit.
Bowser is a pretty bad character...Dealing good damage with his attacks doesn't make up for the fact that by the time he gets a few hits in, he's usually down a stock, and his recovery really isn't that good at all...
 

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i think the tier list is just arbitrarily made up because of ken, just cuz he won with marth he is now top tier? bull imo, mewtwo is just as good as sheik
 

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Perhaps when you place him against the top tier, but put him against Roy or Link, and you'll see he's not that bad.
Roy and Link are both faster than bowser, have just as good, if not better, knockback than him, and just as good, if not better recovery's. Roy's got a vertical one, Link has a vertical AND a horizontal one, and one of the best recovery strategies, behind Samus (imo anyways).

I would say a better bowser matchup would actually be against a floatier character, like Samus or Pikachu. Not Jigglypuff, because it's just to easy for Jiggs to get in there and rest him...

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EDIT-I dislike Marth, but I actually agree that he should be in the top tier, if only for his edgeguarding strength alone, not to mention things like his insane grab reach that allow his horrible chain grabs.
 

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i think the tier list is just arbitrarily made up because of ken, just cuz he won with marth he is now top tier? bull imo, mewtwo is just as good as sheik
Ken doesn't do to well now days, it's all about m2k.

a lot of people are changing to marth not just ken. Azen also uses him so let's see that's like three really good players using marth, that probably used fox at one time or another jumping to marth.
 

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Ken doesn't do to well now days, it's all about m2k.

a lot of people are changing to marth not just ken. Azen also uses him so let's see that's like three really good players using marth, that probably used fox at one time or another jumping to marth.
Did you read the second part of his post?
 

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They're all jumping on the pro bandwagon obviously.

Hey I heard they all used Pichu, lets bump him up into the middle!

While I agree with you as stated, that's just horrible logic. They're pro's for a reason. It might say a little bit, but I think that sometimes things like who pro's use get a little overrated, since it's more likely they have skills to go with the characters they use.
 

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WOW, thanks for pointing that out.

Umm...yes, alot of people are changing to Marth, but Ken and Azen played Marth before Mew2King even got good at this game. They never "changed to Marth".
 

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While I agree with you as stated, that's just horrible logic. They're pro's for a reason. It might say a little bit, but I think that sometimes things like who pro's use get a little overrated, since it's more likely they have skills to go with the characters they use.
lol, you almost made me start ranting about pro-ness, nice job :-P

You do have a point, although it's not a bad idea to jump on the bandwagon. If someone is successful, find out what makes them successful and imitate them. The problem is deciding what makes someone better, and sometimes you just gotta do something, and then watch someone else do it. Hell, it's why my captain falcon is so good :)
 

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I don't like to "jump on the bandwagon" mostly because the character is so common that it's hard to stand out and gain an advantage over everyone else. Especially because people know the matchups against those characters already. That's why I don't play top tiers. I like to play a character that's less commonly played, it doesn't even have to be a low tier.
 

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The closest I come to playing a tiered character is I third falco, I just think that Marth is an overall good character, and should be up there. I main Link and Second Dr. Mario.

I wasn't talking about the Roy's Flare blade ;_; I was talking about an up close and personal Fsmash, or at the very least a counter <.<. I may have been exagerrating about Roy, but I was mainly talking about Link,

Oh fwiw, I think Bowser should at least be over Mr. G&W and Pichu. The ringing.... the horrible ringing!
 

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I hate this thread.. <_<

It's not that bowser sucks

it's that bowser isn't as good as any of the other characters.
hm..... i'm not sure this makes sense.
Bowser doesn't suck, he's just not as good as everyone else? Doesn't that mean he sucks? Hm..What does suck mean then?

This requires some looking into...

here is wiktionary's entry on sucks:
"Verb

to suck (third-person singular simple present sucks, present participle sucking, simple past sucked, past participle sucked)

1 -To use the mouth to pull in liquid substances for ingestion or to perform a similar act on solid material without ingestion.
2 - To draw into, by any means, with an attractive force, usually without direct contact
3 - (colloquial) Term of general disparagement, indicating the subject or situation has no redeeming qualities. With at, indicates a particular area of deficiency.You're great at baseball, but you suck at golf.
4 - To perform....[editted for content]

[edit] Synonyms
(3, 4 above) To blow

[edit] Antonyms
(1, 2 above) To blow
(3 above) To rock, to rule."
(http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suck, 24 November 2007)

Ok so lets see what applies:

It's not that bowser uses his mouth to pull in liquid substances for ingestion. It's just that bowser isn't as good as any of the other characters.

Hm... that doesn't really work.

How about:

It's not that bowser draws in, by any means, with an attractive force. It's just that bowser isn't as good as any of the other characters.

hm...... still not quite getting there.

These attempts at making sense seem to fail because suck is being contrasted with good. It's probably definition #3.

It's not that bowser has no redeeming qualities, or is a particular area of deficiancy. It's just that bowser isn't as good as any of the other characters.

All right! Now we are getting somewhere.

But since it's being contrasted with 'good', which has yet to be really defined, let's fill something else in. Wiktionary says that To rock would be a better antonym, so lets contrast suck with rock instead of good.

It's not that bowser sucks. It's just that bowser isn't as much rock as any of the other characters.

elaborated:

It's not that bowser has no redeeming qualities, or is a particular area of deficiancy. It's just that Bowser isn't as favourable compared to any of the other characters.

Wow, i'm actually surprised. That actually makes way sense than I thought it would!

I was originally going to poke fun of it. Based on what I've understood 'good' and 'suck' to be. That goodness is dependant on other things of similar value. And that suckiness is the opposite of goodness, as if it is a scale from 1 to 10 or suck to good. So to say that "Bowser isn't as good as everyone else," is basically saying (since good is a comparative term) "Bowser sucks."

Meaning I read your comment as

"I hate this thread.. <_<
It's not that bowser sucks

it's that bowser sucks."
-total nonsense.

or

"...It's not that bowser sucks

it's that bowser isn't as good as everyone else, so (if you want to win) he sucks[/b"
-More sense but still ludicrous....

so,

Editted (for clarity):

KevinM3590816 said:
It's not that bowser has no redeeming qualities, or is a particular area of deficiancy.
It's just that Bowser isn't as favourable compared to any of the other characters.
good stuff.
 

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There really isn't. I explained my intentions, but it didn't turn out to have the point that I wanted so, I just ended with a clarification. I think I might edit it down. Thanks darc.......
 

BDawgPHD

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I agree with KevinM. I mean, it's not like everyone in SSBM sucks, it's just that none of them are nearly as good as Captain Falcon :D
 

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Pichu needs to at least be moved up a tier or two, I've seen plenty of people do well with him in a tournament setting.
 
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