Swiss
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Wait, what the hell answer were you expecting?
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You are good, but not so good that we can't lynch you later if we're wrong about you.Explain.
What was key was that he took action yet after my pressure didn't feel the need to grab for credit. His deifying me was perhaps unnecessary but I glossed over it. Hell, I am that good.
Doc on me. Vig free shoot. Want investigatives on Kary, maybe Ditz. I'll take a Soup inno too.
Correct, though this was to Adum.You are good, but not so good that we can't lynch you later if we're wrong about you.
I'm sure in a few ingame days we'll be able to have an okay case against you if you are scum. No one is that good.
Vote: SwissThe difference between myself and Toastin is that I have only been trying to lynch Toastin since I got my scumread - if you look at our interactions I do not call him scum till he did something (when I voted, look just before that, I don't recall the post. Which I probably should) Toastin has spent the entire game attempting to lynch/cripple me. He has not created a case as to why I am scum, merely accused me of attacking credibility and tried scare tactics.
This post is painful to my eyes.I lol'd so hard at "*roar...Growl...Big roar*" And the fact that tradition continues and Frozen was the one to die, even if we just lost what could've been our biggest player if he would just have been posting.
Also, I almost agree with Kary. It makes me nervous that Swiss was the biggest push on Toastin. Thing is, Toastin brought it on him/themself and did in fact look incredibly scummy. Swiss is a super good player as well, so you'd think if anyone had a shot at seeing Toastin as town it'd have been him...
Conclusion: I can't say I find Swiss suspicious still. Toastin was too scummy acting. Swiss is gonna be one to watch though, imo.
I'll throw you a curveball, what do you think of Blazer?Vote: Swiss
Will talk later, when I can think. Swiss you do not look good on a re-read.
@Soup: Your read on Swiss, por favor.
Ugh.
Red is where we should start looking.[9] Toastin' Dat Walrus: Red Ruy / Jdietz43 /adumbrodeus / Swiss / Dark Horse / WashedLaundry / Nabe/ Blazer / Яagnarock
The first part consists of fluff for no reason, why it's there, I don't know. It's null for the most part.I lol'd so hard at "*roar...Growl...Big roar*" And the fact that tradition continues and Frozen was the one to die, even if we just lost what could've been our biggest player if he would just have been posting.
Also, I almost agree with Kary. It makes me nervous that Swiss was the biggest push on Toastin. Thing is, Toastin brought it on him/themself and did in fact look incredibly scummy. Swiss is a super good player as well, so you'd think if anyone had a shot at seeing Toastin as town it'd have been him...
Conclusion: I can't say I find Swiss suspicious still. Toastin was too scummy acting. Swiss is gonna be one to watch though, imo.
This peaked my curiosity, tell me more about your thought process here. Clearly you knew I was confident in my read as I had openly said it - why was attaching a figure, or for that matter the question, necessary?Ok, cool. Last question for the time being:
How confident are you in Toastin' being scum right now? Please give me a percentage figure.
Man I skipped this post 3 times trying to find it. GG map aware.Kuz: Most of pregame. 149 Rubbed me wrong, no signifigant reason.
158, He's on swiss early. For really no reason. Yes, Swiss is a good player, but taking his immunity etc d1 may not be the best go for the town.
Fynal makes a good point on him at 174.
185 He's really only trying to get Swiss to take immunity so that he's killable later if needed. This strikes me as odd. You're basically asking for Swiss to die. Also, killing the doctor means swiss dies immediately with his plan, unless Swiss is mafia, but then we'd probably know.
210 Swiss makes a lot of good points on Kuz
251: Toastin obviously fears Swiss. But he makes a good point that Swiss is good enough to get out of anything. I'd still rather have him around myself than have him nightkilled by mafia D2
260: Really has no bearing on Kuz techincally but, FF should have the hammer D1. Since I played here, he's always been first to die.
320: Just an interjection to him saying everyone has town read on swiss over nothing: Swiss has been doing plenty. He just plays a very null style that leans town.
In finality, if you don't believe that we can lynch Swiss during the day, why are you trying at him so hard?
Most likely to be scum of anyone, imo.
Swiss:Swiss is an incredible player, makes him a difficult read.
Post 210 he asks for the doc to save him without fail. This bothers me as it leaves open everyone else, but in all honesty, the way he plays I'd probably be saving him.
Also the post where he wanted people to sheep to him and him asking me just a few posts ago to sheep to him, bother me. But he has an incredible ego (Much like I used to in games where I'm obscenely above the other players; I would go so far as to mentor a player each game to improve them.) so I'm not going to throw an attack on him for that style of play.
Most likely town, but it's impossible to tell.
Kary makes a good point on Swiss and Kuz at 275 saying they just want the immunity for themselves (And control of the game imo), this leads to me thinking one of them is likely mafia. If I'm wrong though the town would be in deep trouble.
Jdietz: 119 It just bothered me the way his whole series of posts went here. No real reason why.
Don't have a huge case on him, but I lean towards scum on him currently. Just his playstyle maybe.
Glyph: Just constant psychiatric jokes. Nothing against him really other than inactivity and lulz that are secretly serious. I'm giving him the townie card.
Ragnarok: Went super aggressive on me when I was still fairly inactive, regardless of the fact that I'd stated numerous times why I had been. Seems like an attack on a player who hasn't yet caught up hoping to just play outright aggressor to get me lynched. A tactic that is commonly successful that I hate.
Also, always seems to be in attack mode when he posts talking to anyone. That just rubs me wrong.Read 343 for reference here.
Feels scummy, but not enough to warrant a vote.
FF: Just seriously innactive. But that's normal FF play so it's impossible to have a real read.
No one else has really stood out. Adumb really hasn't given me much of a read like he has for you all.
Vote: Kuz
Just because he's the one I have the biggest case against.
Won't likely post again until late tonight, and will most likely be late tomorrow posting as well. Both times I will likely be exhausted and just be popping in for a small post.
Ahahaha I OMGUS'd.Vote: Swiss
Will talk later, when I can think. Swiss you do not look good on a re-read.
@Soup: Your read on Swiss, por favor.
Ugh.
You're reaching, there's no point to even answering this.It wouldn't have mattered what I said, you were going to have an answer to attempt to scummify(is that a word?) me.Null qualifies for an FoS now? I thought you didn't suspect him? But he didn't do this?
This early in the Day, and you're already worried about how your vote looks?Ahahaha I OMGUS'd.
My vote is legit, honest.
Lots more detail please.
Here you're questioning Kuz's credibilty, asking what he's doing. Apparently him asking about your immunity is so that he can read you, but him calling you scum is a power play. You don't seem to like the pressure on you, and you argue that Kuz 'doesn't really think you're scum'.Also to addressing you, what do you want? All you're doing is pressuring me to see if I'll give in to wasting my immunity so you can try and read me - whilst also calling me scum overtly in thread to try and weaken my thread power and irritate me. I'm not an imbecile.
If you truly thought me scum you would have voted me or made action to try and rally other players.
Oh look, you have a huge ego. Later on you do a 180 on this stance, though.I was and will.
Under no circumstances am I wasting my immunity D1.
You know what Kuz is doing, so why did it need the above response?Solidly null, Soup.
He has a habit of err'ing on the side of obnoxious force to produce results. If he's scum I don't think he'll survive too long.
You asked us to ignore this, but it's interesting nonetheless. You started the debate with Kuz as to who should choose the lynch/have the hammer over the first few days, and now you're suggesting that because Kuz isn't suggesting other alternatives that he must be anti-Swiss not pro-town. You also don't clear up what the difference is between Anti-Swiss and pro-town are, but are adamant that you will need immunity.My issue is thus, you wish me to compromise my life - and in return give me the choice of the weakest lynch of the game. Of course, regardless of my faction I want immunity for when I chose, but this trade works not to be "pro town" but simply "anti-Swiss".
You are attempting to, as you say, safeguard town against me - but you do this by compromising my duration in this game and not by constraining my potential alignment. You have not suggested I be copped, tracked, watched, masoned, time travelled, sent a letter to name-copped etc etc etc (the "pro town clear"). I dislike the process this takes me down.
How detrimental your death is to your wincon is proportional to the number of members in your faction, agreed? Less members, losing each one hurts more. Arguing that your death is bad for your wincon could just be utterly blind ego, but makes most sense as scum.1. I find my death to be remarkably detrimental to my wincon. I reluctantly agree with Kuz that I am so far above everyone else in this game that I won't be lynched - NK's are my greatest threat. So I take steps to protect myself against them. Traditionally this is simply acquiring doc protect.
Now you're just calling Kuz out on... his playstyle?Kuz, calm down and reign it in. It does not become you.
I query why you are accusing me of being scum, yet advocate the doc wifom his protect between us.
I'll comment tonight.
Again, calling Kuz on his playstyle.Kuz accuses me of trying to damage his credibility yet clearly has no regard for it. He made up a question from me to him, so that he could imply myself and Ditz are scumbuddies.
I dislike intensely his method.
Now he's a scumread?Vote Toastin
Working late
Riiiiight. Nice AtE here.Worked till half nine, back at work now.
Will post at lunch.
Other people agreeing on the Toastin lynch brings warm feelings to my heart.
Well this is interesting. Did you ever address this?Appealing to town instead of just questioning me about it. Figures. Swiss, why am I scum besides my connections with Dietz? You had me as solidly null recently but now that some have backlashed at me you're taking the opportunity to change that read.
Forgive me my ignorance, but I couldn't find the legitimate points you made against Kuz.And I was making legitimate points as opposed to poking at his cred.
As opposed to Kuz who has been doing the opposite and >>made up a question from me so he could take a dig at me<<
By this point you must have a scumread on Kuz, but I still don't know why. The answer to why I shouldn't vote him is obvious; he could be town.Kary. Yes.
Why on earth would I say otherwise.
This is just a big reach, and again criticism of his playstyle.> Wagon forms on Toastin.
> Goes inactive so people forget about him hopes some ******* townie makes a scummy post and a last minute bandwagon pops.
This is ridiculous, and seems to assume that everyone voting Kuz is just as confident as you in their scumread on Kuz.Fynal will vote with us. Looking at Joey to man up also.
We've secured the lynch we want - now to simply make sure we utterly ignore any rebuttals Kuz tries to come out with.
This is pure and utter nonsense. 'Wasting' your immunity certainly isn't the same as trying to kill you, and you have no evidence to suggest that he's more interested in doing this as opposed to trying to read you. Even if he is trying to discredit you, I do not think that this has been his main focus, but you're making it out to seem that way.Short and sweet is: More interested in killing me than reading me, done so under the guise of Swiss is so good he has to die. Plus has spent 99% of the game trying to shred the credibility of various players.
This is gallons of weaksauce. Your argument appears to be that at some point you got a scumread on Kuz and since then you've been trying to lynch him, whereas Kuz has been determined to hurt you (i.e. have you hammer) all game, completely ignoring why he might be pushing for this, or how serious he may be. You haven't made a case either, and are basically just appealing to town.The difference between myself and Toastin is that I have only been trying to lynch Toastin since I got my scumread - if you look at our interactions I do not call him scum till he did something (when I voted, look just before that, I don't recall the post. Which I probably should) Toastin has spent the entire game attempting to lynch/cripple me. He has not created a case as to why I am scum, merely accused me of attacking credibility and tried scare tactics.
This is funny, because I can't see where you even tried to read Kuz. You went from disliking their play to pushing their lynch in a heartbeat.The percentage would be arbitrary.
I am highly confident in Scum Toastin'.
Let's say 9/10.
I asked because I was trying to tell whether or not I should follow you. As it turns out, your overconfidence gave me pause, because you seemed blind to any hint of Town Toastin' that seemed to be around. I don't know how you managed to be so confident in your read, and suffice to say I don't trust you because of that.This peaked my curiosity, tell me more about your thought process here. Clearly you knew I was confident in my read as I had openly said it - why was attaching a figure, or for that matter the question, necessary?
No, I can't be arsed right now. I need him to post more, anyways.Talk about, and to, Blazer.
Toastin' Dat Walrus (Gorf/Kuz Hydra) -Scum
-Masquerain- - Town. It seems like he's making mistakes (I feel as though several times he's wanted to go back and reread something), but he's being way too calm to be scum.
adumbrodeus -Town. There was no reason for him to jump on Kuz early game as scum, as what he jumped on was so meaningless that it could have easily been ignored.
Яagnarock- Null, Haven't been paying much attention to this guy
Dark Horse - Town
Kary- Town -like how he's asking questions: he's trying to get more information than what's present.
Swiss- Town
Blazer- Don't think this guy has posted yet
DtJ Glyphmoney- Slight town lean. The only thing I remember him doing was questioning Ditz, which I liked
Nabe-See Glyph
Red Ruy- Leaning town,*
Fynal-Haven't been paying that much attention to him
WashedLaundry- Inactive, it seems like it
frozenflame751- Null, has he even posted yet?
Pink Lemonade (July/Ranmaru Hydra)- Null. Will probably look into this more
Jdietz43- Scum
After:Wow.
Yes, our reads line up.
Reyth was a highly intelligent, inherently evil man. You can feel spiderwebs.
I trust you not.