john!
Smash Hero
pp should team with a good kirby player
they will be unstoppable
they will be unstoppable
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Teams Tier List: version 1
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RaphaelRobo
Smash Champion
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I'm able to take a stock off PP in Kirby dittos. Or at least, I was the last time we played. I wanted us to go double Kirby at a local tournament, but apparently he cares more about doing well than messing with people.
Wake
Smash Master
I love Ganon in doubles. I think he's so much better.
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Ganon/Peach is a pretty good team. Peach down smashes for damage, Ganondorf punches, Peach edge guards. A Ganon/Peach team got 5th at GENESIS 1 by the way
Bing
Smash Master
I want to see a Peach/Ganon team do a down-smash to warlock punch combo. ****.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Warhawk
Smash Lord
Kage, how well does Ganon/Pikachu team work?
Bing
Smash Master
Pfft, Ganon/Pika is terrible. Who would ever do something so stupid.
phish-it
Smash Champion
Double post...
phish-it
Smash Champion
Interesting, but some of it looks stretched. The thing about teams is that there are still good and bad characters, only the tier list is narrower than it is in singles. Ie the gap between Fox and Kirby is much bigger in singles.
There should be less tiers in my opinion.
Zelda is so high...
Yoshi gets gimped easily in teams, probably should be a couple spots lower.
Game and Watch should be lower. His defense is terrible as it is in singles and can't handle pressure; once he loses control he gets ***** badly. In teams more so because there is more chaos and he really can't even shield to save his life.
Doc/Mario should be closer together. Mario's main downside compared to his counterpart is his poor killing ability, in teams it isn't as detrimental as your partner also assist in killing. Mario's slightly better recovery helps in not getting gimped as easily here.
There should be less tiers in my opinion.
Zelda is so high...
Yoshi gets gimped easily in teams, probably should be a couple spots lower.
Game and Watch should be lower. His defense is terrible as it is in singles and can't handle pressure; once he loses control he gets ***** badly. In teams more so because there is more chaos and he really can't even shield to save his life.
Doc/Mario should be closer together. Mario's main downside compared to his counterpart is his poor killing ability, in teams it isn't as detrimental as your partner also assist in killing. Mario's slightly better recovery helps in not getting gimped as easily here.
Bing
Smash Master
I think Zelda's decent recovery length and fair and bair are game changers, add the fact that there are now "3" targets, you give her more options.
But at the same time, shes a slower characters, who doesnt fair too well against many characters such as Fox/Falco etc.
Plus theres the Down-B Clause...
But at the same time, shes a slower characters, who doesnt fair too well against many characters such as Fox/Falco etc.
Plus theres the Down-B Clause...
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Zelda probably improves the most in teams out of any character
She doesn't get juggled as hard anymore
She can put her far reaching recovery to use
Space toes for kills
She doesn't get juggled as hard anymore
She can put her far reaching recovery to use
Space toes for kills
Wake
Smash Master
Yeah I agree. Zelda is significantly better in teams.
Can you put more evidence behind this? I like where it's going.Luigi and Pikachu are essentially 2 of the best teams characters.
They have everything need and what they provide a team is beyond most of the best singles characters. Teaming Pika with someone who can deal damage and Luigi with someone who doesn't need help recovering (even team them with each other) and they're set. Which is a lot easier to fill than what almost all other characters need help with in doubles.
It's all about the players in the end though.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
How can Samus not be mid tier? Plup and Hbox got 2nd at apex remember?
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
This was necro'd, time to make a 2012 list. your in the MBR, get on it.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well that would mean I'd have to do a teams tier list, though Im a lot more comfortable doing that rather than doing a singles one with my experience.
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
Hey like... Pichu is not actually too bad in teams. He's still not great, but he does pretty good.
I'd put him above mewtwo for sure.
Link should also be lower on the list.
I'd put him above mewtwo for sure.
Link should also be lower on the list.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't agree Link can do awesome team combos if timed right, it's possible to gimp with a Link in the team.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Thats pretty flimsy reasoning yo
Well I feel like samus is more valuable teaming up with an hbox or an armada because of their ability to effectively float over samus's incoming projectiles.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
But it's the truth. Team combos and quick gimps are game changers and Link has the ability to do that in teams. Sure it's hard to control space with him, but he's a good character for support overall. Nice projectiles to annoy the other team, I mean that he can shoot stuff over his friend to interrupt lots of things. You have to remember it's 2v2 so getting comboed as Link is less serious because your partner can save you and it should be that way always. I do feel like Link is pretty good to continue some chaos when combos happen and can do some awesome setups. He can also save his partner off-stage better than most characters. I mean overall he is pretty average but I do think he's better in teams than in singles.
I mean more often than not even lower tiers, their weaknesses are much less apparent because your ally can cover them a lot better. And with the higher tiers, it's actually harder to play efficiently. With Link, i'd say a character that can combo start fast is good or maybe someone that can kill early.. or even someone that is fast to interrupt combos is also good.
Stevo
Smash Champion
Zelda is amazing in teams until the other team catches on to her weaknesses.
She becomes a lot worse after that point, but I still feel that her placing on the original post is pretty accurate.
She becomes a lot worse after that point, but I still feel that her placing on the original post is pretty accurate.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ya she has good killing power and can also change the momentum pretty quickly. But she has a hard time helping her partner though.
I do. But I don't remember how results actually impacted tier placings.
Maybe you should remind me.
What I can say is that Samus's recovery which is so relatively strong in singles becomes significantly less potent in doubles, because of how long it takes, giving more time for iso on her teammate. Teaming with Jiggs helped with this because of how hard Jiggs is to isolate. Samus can speed up her recovery, but she forfeits a lot of options in so doing. This makes her use as a tank less effective, too, because her opponent is going to get teamed up on me.
Furthermore, she has no safe way of breaking up double teams without really threatening her teammate. She can't contribute to team combos without leaving her safe zone on the ground. Her singles strength in defense doesn't carry over to 1v2 situations, as any aggression by one player is inherently a bait by the other player, and in 1v1s, she's only mid-tier to begin with.
The only real strength she retains is that she can edgeguard really effectively without support, allowing her opponent to maintain isolation while she takes care of characters she's edgeguarding. But even in those cases, edgeguarding is of less importance in teams than in singles.
The main reason puff/samus worked is because the two characters don't really get in each others way, and Samus's massive issues in dealing with iso are mitigated, as I said, by the fact that Jiggs is really hard to isolate effectively. This made the team a solid mid-to-high tier team, which can naturally get second, and possibly even win, in a tournament, but it doesn't mean Samus is a viable choice across the board.
Ryobeat
Smash Ace
Pikachu is SOOO good in teams. Gimp game is a synch, recovery is fantastic, good kill moves , speed. He ranks in the high tiers
Bing
Smash Master
I want to do a Ylink and Zelda team in tournament sometime... I'll use either character...
that or double Pika
that or double Pika
Jockmaster
Smash Ace
All I have to say about jiggs is:
Grab -> Rest
Instant 2v1 win
Grab -> Rest
Instant 2v1 win
kyaputenfarukon07
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DerfMidWest
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I'm the only one who cares, but I'm gonna post this any way (elaborating on my previous post):
Pichu is a lot better in teams than he is in singles. I don't think he should be high tier or anything, but in doubles he's just like a worse pika (you could argue thats how he is in singles too, but I feel like they play more similarly in doubles).
He dies quickly, which is his major weakness in teams, but he has a great gimp game (not as good as Pika's, but still good).
He's a decent support character, and Jolts are pretty awesome in doubles.
People also don't really get to chaingrab pichu in doubles, which helps him a lot.
And people aren't able to keep Pichu out as easily, which is also helpful.
If it gets down to 2v1, Pichu is pretty awesome at double teaming people. He can do some pretty awesome combo setups.
However, if Pichu gets 2v1'd, he's pretty helpless.
all in all, some of his major weaknesses are not major factors in doubles, however, the fact that he dies quickly and can't handle pressure well prevent him from being very good.
I think he should be higher than he is currently listed, but not by a whole lot.
Pichu is a lot better in teams than he is in singles. I don't think he should be high tier or anything, but in doubles he's just like a worse pika (you could argue thats how he is in singles too, but I feel like they play more similarly in doubles).
He dies quickly, which is his major weakness in teams, but he has a great gimp game (not as good as Pika's, but still good).
He's a decent support character, and Jolts are pretty awesome in doubles.
People also don't really get to chaingrab pichu in doubles, which helps him a lot.
And people aren't able to keep Pichu out as easily, which is also helpful.
If it gets down to 2v1, Pichu is pretty awesome at double teaming people. He can do some pretty awesome combo setups.
However, if Pichu gets 2v1'd, he's pretty helpless.
all in all, some of his major weaknesses are not major factors in doubles, however, the fact that he dies quickly and can't handle pressure well prevent him from being very good.
I think he should be higher than he is currently listed, but not by a whole lot.
Blueberry Kong
Smash Journeyman
nice thread
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