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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

Nova9000

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Lol.
Well I guess I should add successful fanboy. Then US would win lol.
But yea, I'll work on Oli as well. Since I went through so many measures to nerf him it's gonna take a while to make him valuable.
And all I'm trying to do is Yoshi > Zard, since Zard is an epic failure. But oh well.
 

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It's like you got some persoal vendetta on Pikmin for some reason.
Sheesh
It's like you have a personal mission to buff pikmin for some reason
Sheesh

A being that's a cross of a plant (known to release deadly toxins/pollen) and an animal (known to breathe out chemicals and other airbourne particles) has the plausibility of releasing a deadly cloud of poison.
A being that's a cross of a plant and an animal will have so many cellular screw ups it's not even funny, plausible doubt it,
longevity if plausible
not a chance.

Don't bring up, "no mouth" cuz they distinctly have their own version when they drink up nectar.
I'll bring up the fact that that is the only use they've had for the mouth, that could be pure absorption for all you know.
Absorption possible and doesn't need a mouth, which aesthetically is missing.
Just like a false pallet on Charizard and Bowser <_<

All of your other points are pretty fail.
All of your points on Olimar in general are pretty fail
Pika floating in the air via balloons? More of a hazard.
More like Death From Above
People jumping really high when it's realistically impossible?
The crossing of plants and animals when it's genetically impossible?

I've already explained many times over as to why it wasn't implemented into gameplay.
I've explained many times why one cutscene isn't justification.
Just can't accept a canon cutscene, can you?
Just can't accept what gameplay, says can you?
This is plausible, unlike all of your examples (excluding Pika stuff)

The whole basis of pikmin in of themselves is implausible due to the fact that they're cellularly screwed up. Being part plant and part animal in itself is a biological fallacy, animal cells can't supply what plants need, and plant cells can't supply what animals need. And both types of cells are incompatible to coexist seeing as how the immune system would kill one type of cell off as an invader and therefore killing the pikmin. Also to carry on dual life processes is something the pikmin couldn't do, not with the minimal energy they take in, photosynthesis with only that small flower can only provide so much, and for the pikmin to perform dual life processes and strain themselves physically, they'll drop like flies from over exhaustion.

Red Blood Cells- won't receive enough oxygen due to limited method of respiration
White Blood Cells- attack any intruding cells, in other words, cells that aren't animal cells, the plant cells are dead, leading to the death of the pikmin.
Plant Cells- can't diffuse some materials that the animal cell can, halving the productiveness of the body to perform functions that pikmin need to perform, being animals.
Immune System- works against itself recognizing the other half of cells as intruders and attacking it. You couldn't get away with saying "adaptation" to this because of how vastly different plant and animal cells are. An immune system will kill the plant cells, no immune system will have airborne bacteriophages kill the pikmin. Mixed immune system (if plants even have one, don't think they do) will attack itself, recognizing the other, completely different part as an intruder.
Having to have
Arteries
Veins
Capillaries
Xylem
Pholem.

The heart could only pump red blood cells, which are animal cells. Having to coincide a pressure system which moves plant cells through xylem and pholem would put too much pressure on a heart that had to be their size, too much strain leads to caridac rest, leads to death.
Not even evolution can explain such. And this is only the circulatory and immune systems.

And even if they have mouths, where will the nectar go, down an esophagus, into a stomach also ridden by the pressures of xylem and pholem and other tubes and stuff going throughout that small body?

Into the bloodstream? How? How's it going to be broken down?
The needs of the plant and animal to be met require too much energy and with such a limited way to get the energy the pikmin are gimped.

lol @ Nova


You're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that Pikmin won't die from the word go in the first place.
 

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Zard used to be good Nova...**** infact. It's just once somebody said marth could dodge fire breath, we then questioned his other attributes ....


also:

 

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@Marthage

You know we've allowed so many illogical anatomy characters (Wolf, Ivy, Bowser).
You are looking far to into this to try and kill their very being.
Same logic dooms Spacies.
Yada yada yada

We've added realism, but ignored anatomy cuz many can't compete afterwards.

I honestly could care less for how Pikmin work on an anatomical scale other than performing their abilities.

Pulling a Payas is what made the Boss rounds horrendous when we were nit-picking every little cell and pixel.
Get outta here with such extremism.
 

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lol @ Nova


You're going to have a hell of a time convincing me that Pikmin won't die from the word go in the first place.
Well I'm up for a challenge lol. Besides, someone has to be a hero, Kaka-REL lol (had to bring that 1 back).


Zard used to be good Nova...**** infact. It's just once somebody said marth could dodge fire breath, we then questioned his other attributes ....
Nah...at 4 ft and a ft of neck, he couldn't be a real dragon even if he wanted to. But if fire breath is given, I guess he could beat
bimbo
Peach...



@Marthage

You know we've allowed so many illogical anatomy characters (Wolf, Ivy, Bowser).
You are looking far to into this to try and kill their very being.
Same logic dooms Spacies.
Yada yada yada

We've added realism, but ignored anatomy cuz many can't compete afterwards.

I honestly could care less for how Pikmin work on an anatomical scale other than performing their abilities.

Pulling a Payas is what made the Boss rounds horrendous when we were nit-picking every little cell and pixel.
Get outta here with such extremism.
Payas are the new thing now. They allow you to discredit other points and make your points seem overwhelming on point. Besides, the boss rounds were horrible anyway. Only like 3 matches were debates. The rest were....yea.....
 

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Well I'm up for a challenge lol. Besides, someone has to be a hero, Kaka-REL lol (had to bring that 1 back).
The only thing I'd be aiming to prove would be abilities.

I honestly don't care for how Pikmin bleed, cry or crap with their "intestines" or w/e
I sure ain't gonna be playing, "disection" or "Pikmin Anatomy 101: Intro to Pocky"



Nah...at 4 ft and a ft of neck, he couldn't be a real dragon even if he wanted to. But if fire breath is given, I guess he could beat
bimbo
Peach...
I'd imagine bombs are better, but idunno



Payas are the new thing now. They allow you to discredit other points and make your points seem overwhelming on point. Besides, the boss rounds were horrible anyway. Only like 3 matches were debates. The rest were....yea.....
More like kill the thread.

This extremist viewpoint of "Über logic" adds to the ever-growing distaste I'm developing on this thread.


btw
Marthage be stealin' yo color
 

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yeah, im not really liking the extremeist logic. Ignoring it alone simply allows like half the characters to function/compete.

Even the mighty Samus would fall under the knife if we discussed how the hell a power suit that small would work.
 

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The only thing I'd be aiming to prove would be abilities.

I honestly don't care for how Pikmin bleed, cry or crap with their "intestines" or w/e
I sure ain't gonna be playing, "disection" or "Pikmin Anatomy 101: Intro to Pocky"


I agree. Seems like a science fair rather than a discussion thread. I'm rather indifferent about it though.


I'd imagine bombs are better, but idunno

They are. Peach is also taller than Zard to begin with. Yoshi fails, but IMO Zard fails much more.



More like kill the thread.

This extremist viewpoint of "Über logic" adds to the ever-growing distaste I'm developing on this thread.


btw
Marthage be stealin' yo color

This is what it's come down to nowadays. Prove with a scientific formula or your point ain't credible. It isn't justifiable in every scenario but for some it works. I don't think you could apply that to a hybrid like Pikmin though.

Oh yea I noticed Marthage....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE0dZ1K7vuM
Irony, isn't it?



@JOE!
Well if this is how you feel, it seems liek we hae a 5.5 on our hands then....

@ Pluvia

Please read the OP. Then reread your post.


 

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all Im saying is that if you are going to pull this kinda stuff, dont discriminate:

Samus's Power Suit: how's it work?

Spacies: how do they work?

etc
 

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Guys I've been gone for like IDK less than 24 hours and **** happens. keep it together people.
all Im saying is that if you are going to pull this kinda stuff, dont discriminate:

Samus's Power Suit: how's it work?

Spacies: how do they work?

etc
The power suit was explained in the 4-way.
Spacies were never discussed.
Since you people are just too lazy to find it yourselves I guess I have to do the dirty work.
 

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lolwut title?

@Sam

The power source wasn't explained in detail though.
Nor how Energy Tanks would even help protect Samus.



I kinda wonder how the in the world a human boy even exists with bird wings out of his back.
that part didn't matter, you'd most likely just have power cells powering the suit. Force fields don't exist (yet) or aren't that great.
as for pit it's a DNA splice. His bones would either be hollow, or he can't fly. I'd go with can't fly because flying is pretty pointless, we have planes for that :p


fix'd dat fer ya

anywho, bac from work, any new ground here?
Cumbersome my ***, Power suits support and move themselves. You have to do absolutely no work to move them besides using the controls.

Power suit's machinery covers and moves your whole body. Legs included.

And suits are also strong enough to lift missiles with absolutely no problems.

The host in the following video described its functions very well: "From enough grace to gently play ball, to enough super-power to load a missile on an aircraft".

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/11/video-fix-super/

Now add a futuristic power suit and you get awesome. And if that is not enough, take away the missiles. Those suck anyway, and the laser is more than enough to kill everything that moves.
And the agreed outcome is Samus=Fox>Falco>Wolf.

Samus and Fox have a 500-500 chance of killing each other, and the one who survives proceeds to **** the opposition.

Falco goes third because he can still get situational kills if he outthinks his opponent. And he is better than Wolf.

Wolf has the most innacurate weapon of all so, in the end, he only has claws to defend himself and the occasional "lucky missile falling in the opponent's head" kill.

Yeah, 4chan has field days with the animations sometimes.

If you finish, you should go on and watch Zeta Gundam.

You getting SRW Neo?
Maybe so, maybe not. Not sure. The series included don't really attract me that much. I am only looking forward to New Getter Robo and G Gundam. But still...whole new gameplay.
FOUND IT!
and while I was at it I found these lulzy posts (ironically 3 of the 4 are from paya
come back paya
)

This MU deserves the award of the MU with the most pointless debates.
I think he meant thread, unless that MU had multiple silly debates (probably did, I was just skimming)
it wont be closed becaus etheres no spam :p

(well, excessive spam...)
hahaha, funny joke JOE



(trying to derail the thread)
this was my favorite, I might use this.
 

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@Marthage

You know we've allowed so many illogical anatomy characters (Wolf, Ivy, Bowser).
You are looking far to into this to try and kill their very being.
Same logic dooms Spacies.
Yada yada yada
Not true, Spacies aren't failed on the anatomical level, they're animals and only have one cell structure, same for Bowser and Ivy.
We've added realism, but ignored anatomy cuz many can't compete afterwards.
Like who? Pikmin are the only combatants that have that anatomical flaw, every other character follows one cellular system. Do not confuse extreme anthropomorphism with anatomical failure.
I honestly could care less for how Pikmin work on an anatomical scale other than performing their abilities.
You should when they're the only character subject to this and it becomes a flaw that sticks them with Kirby, Meta Knight, DDD and the like.
Pulling a Payas is what made the Boss rounds horrendous when we were nit-picking every little cell and pixel.
Get outta here with such extremism.

Oh, and I suppose muscular degeneration and the rest issue wasn't a case of extremism?
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism whenever Jigglypuff, Kirby and MK were lol-phailed?
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism that took away fire breath?
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism that predominated round 4.5?
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism that harried Mewtwo vs. Samus
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism for Diddy and Peach getting the most unorthodox items at their disposal.
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism that got Samus super buffed.
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism for people to pull the "monkey rage" card for DK.
I'm guessing it wasn't extremism that Sam and I were forced by the anti-pika side to explain Pika's electricity down to a cellular level just to make it plausible.

Yet it is extremism for me to bring the pikmin down to an anatomical level.
<_<
Oh yea I noticed Marthage....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE0dZ1K7vuM
Irony, isn't it?
lawl



all Im saying is that if you are going to pull this kinda stuff, dont discriminate:

How is it discriminatory if the problem is only present in one character?

Samus's Power Suit: how's it work?
If I remember correctly Sam explained this a lot of times, have you not been reading?
Spacies: how do they work?
An extreme case of Anthropomorphism, yet they still are cellularly sound and can plausibly survive if they actually existed.

Again don't confuse anthropomorphism with anatomical failure.

And before you say anthropomorphites don't exist

remember, anthropomorphites are still cellularly sound, having only one uniform cell system and if they "existed", can actually live. Unlike Pikmin which are cellularly unsound and if they "existed", would cellularly destroy themselves.

Electric mice don't exist, but they are still cellularly sound and, if they "existed", they could live.
blah, blah, blah
 

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After reading the first post again i came to a UNDENIABLEY HORRIBLE CONCLUSION!!!
Fixed for accuracy. :p

EDIT: I guess I'll put exactly why I did that to that since I've nothing better to do.

1. That's a total plot mechanic, if we went by all the plot and game mechanics than all Samus has to do is take a grappling hook to Bowser's tail and all of sudden he'll become incapable of anything, just hold him like that until he starves and GG.

Did that make any sense?
No

If we went by the logic you present then Bowser could be trounced by throwing him into a bomb.


On the scientific look on it, bowser only has reptilian scales, subject that to the heat in a nuclear explosion and that stuff is gone, not much less a star.

In essence, Bowser falling into a star is only for show and there's not possible way in real life his reptilian skin (much less his more exposed parts) survive.
 

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You see, the best way to solve a controversial statement like this is to test it out.
throw a turtle into the sun. I want a full report on my desk by tomorrow morning.

EDIT: or the stuff above.
I like my idea better loljk
 

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Fixed for accuracy. :p

EDIT: I guess I'll put exactly why I did that to that since I've nothing better to do.

1. That's a total plot mechanic, if we went by all the plot and game mechanics than all Samus has to do is take a grappling hook to Bowser's tail and all of sudden he'll become incapable of anything, just hold him like that until he starves and GG.

Did that make any sense?
No

If we went by the logic you present then Bowser could be trounced by throwing him into a bomb.


On the scientific look on it, bowser only has reptilian scales, subject that to the heat in a nuclear explosion and that stuff is gone, not much less a star.

In essence, Bowser falling into a star is only for show and there's not possible way in real life his reptilian skin (much less his more exposed parts) survive.
You're assuming that Bowser has the same scales as Earth reptiles, which he clearly doesn't. Going by our universes rules, i say its safe to assume that even the toughest of scales can't survive a star. But then again there's nothing to say that he couldn't have incredibly durable and/or thick scales, and/or many layers of them, that could easily resist Samus' weapons.

Funny how everyone concentrated on the star bit rather than the actual point.

Oh Internet, how i love you.
 

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okay name an organism that isn't bowser so I can throw that into the sun an conduct other pointless experiments on it to figure out how it works.
humans are like that.
Anyway if we take that logic I'll just give Samus the Sonic boom charge combo which in RL to be naturally plausible (apparently IDK how it came to this, but quantum mechanics can do that to you) would have to have the power of a supernova traveling millions of miles per second.

Oh Internet, how i love you. <- copied and pasted out of sheer laziness.

(come on dude, it's obviously a game mechanic, also if we were to add realism to super mario galaxy kids would be WTF'ing about the fact that Mario just died of asphyxiation as he was traveling to the nearest galaxy by being launched off of a "star" [just some pointy thing to me remember: "realism"])
 

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ok, lets assume bowser has those uber scales, how is his skin flexible at all?

congrats, he is immobile

also, what is stopping his insides from cooking from being on a star?
 

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ok, lets assume bowser has those uber scales, how is his skin flexible at all?

congrats, he is immobile

also, what is stopping his insides from cooking from being on a star?
That's a good question i never though of that at first, but i think i have an answer for it, Bowser could have the toughest scales that's universally possible on his shell, whereas his skin would have to be weaker so he could actually have mobility. They could still be tough, just nowhere near as tough as his shell.

Also if he was on a star so would Samus. Ending in a draw as they'd both be melted.
 

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uh, in reptiles, scales are their skin.
it's similar, it's just that theirs is covered in keratin AKA what scales are made of.
 

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okay sure, but then that's just his shell that's invincible. The rest of his body falls into the ****.
Though being an intelligent being, Bowser could use this to his advantage against her. From what i've glanced at about Samus in this thread it seems everyones having difficulty finding a power source for her? Well anyway he could just camp in his shell until her power source runs out. If she tries going infront of him he could easily stick a limb out and constantly spin his body around. Or maybe he can sprint deceptively fast on all fours if he keeps his body off the ground, like crocodiles, and get to her before she has barely enough time to react. Even if she does react he could just angle his shell at her for a second (basically by falling over so her weapon hits his shell). Yeah it would slow him down a bit but he could just regain his footing and start sprinting again within moments. Its a risky stragety but its not impossible. Once she's in arms length, she's dead.
 

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"shoot the core!"

yeah, Samus is totally not going to hit him while he's in his shell.
choices, either her electrolaser,
or
a beam that will literally break down the atomic composure of any material.
 

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I'm not going to pretend i know a lot about Samus but i can still answer that.

If she can electrocute him and fire another weapon at the same time, he's screwed. Though i'm pretty sure an electrolaser would sap her suits power rapidly. Also i'm sure that second weapon must break some of the laws of thermodynamics.
 
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