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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

Beren Zaiga

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Ultra-Spicy Spray is like putting Pikmin on super-steroids.
They're faster, more resistent to attacks and pack a big punch.

Pikmin have claws that can very well rip through the IC's coats, but the main objective would be their faces.
Gnashed face tissue and torn eye-sockets would kill the IC's.
Due to the IC's apparent physical issues, they'd fall over once 2-3 Pikmin climb on em'. That equals death.


IC's are overweight, muscle degenerated kids with hammers too big to even lift.

Olimar is commanding a crowd of plantimals on super-steroids.


Fixed for you. Enjoy the edit!
 

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Fixed for you. Enjoy the edit!

Do you really wanna get into another evolutionary discussion?
Hmm?

Some examples:

Pit dies because human and bird DNA are too vastly different to combine, even with evolution.

Lucario wouldn't be able to have any form of "hand-to-hand" combat because he lacks the proper physical build and intelligence.

Yoshi is fail.

Bowser wouldn't be able to carry that shell on his back.

Pikachu can't have high-level electricity.


Go ahead and go uber logic here.
The fact that we're allowing a lot of these MU's is by giving not completely screwing everyone over by obvious faults.

I thought we've been over this numerous times.
 

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Ultra-Spicy Spray is like putting Pikmin on super-steroids.
They're faster, more resistent to attacks and pack a big punch.

Pikmin have claws that can very well rip through the IC's coats, but the main objective would be their faces.
Gnashed face tissue and torn eye-sockets would kill the IC's.
Due to the IC's apparent physical issues, they'd fall over once 2-3 Pikmin climb on em'. That equals death.


IC's are overweight, muscle degenerated kids with hammers too big to even lift.

Olimar is commanding a crowd of animals on super-steroids.

What claws?



You mean those tiny hands of them?



How is that going to help?




And explain to me and back up your argument about how spicy powder can make any life-form stronger.
 

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Do you really wanna get into another evolutionary discussion?
Hmm?

Some examples:

Pit dies because human and bird DNA are too vastly different to combine, even with evolution.

Lucario wouldn't be able to have any form of "hand-to-hand" combat because he lacks the proper physical build and intelligence.

Yoshi is fail.

Bowser wouldn't be able to carry that shell on his back.

Pikachu can't have high-level electricity.


Go ahead and go uber logic here.
The fact that we're allowing a lot of these MU's is by giving not completely screwing everyone over by obvious faults.

I thought we've been over this numerous times.
By your logic, turtles in real life can't carry their shells on their backs either, despite the fact their spine is attached to them.
 

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bowser's shell is smaller than his over-all body anyways, and he has tree-trunk legs.

he can carry it

as for the spicy spray, it doesnt have to make them stronger per say, it could just excite them and make them go into a frenzied state vs their enemies
 

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By your logic, turtles in real life can't carry their shells on their backs either, despite the fact their spine is attached to them.
A turtle has their entire shell wrapped around them, like a giant body of armor.
It is attached to their spine, yes.
But the fact that it's hard shell wraps around the entire body of the turtle is what gives it proper balance from not damaging the spine.

Bowser goes against this.
His shell only hangs on his back, like a hat (think Toc said that before).
It is connected to his spine, probably yes.
But it is severely imbalances because it doesn't wrap around his sides or underbelly.
His belly and sides are made of skin, not the shell.
That puts extreme stress on the spine because it is left to support the weight of the entire shell with its spine alone.

This causes Bowser to sever his spine with any subtle movement or have said spine collapse from the extreme weight.

Turtles prevent this possible threat by evolving the shell to wrap around their entire body. To evenly distribute the weight and prevent too much weight on the spine.

Bowser, on the otherhand, doesn't have that.
That ends up killing him.


So I ask again.
Do you really wanna go into evolution here?
cuz I sure don't wanna T__T
 

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Just saying.

Anyway with ICs vs. Peach, I THINK Peach's bomb's maximum range is 5 meters.
That's 16.4 feet, which is probobly enough to kill both of them.
As for her being able to throw that far,
I can throw that far.
And I can't throw AT ALL.

ICs vs. Olimar: I understand if JOE! wants to make Olimar better but I still think it's unrealistic but w/e.
Olimar probobly wont have enough air to make it now that I think about it.
And the ICs could just whump his helmet.
His pikmin wont help, he has no way to control him.
 

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A turtle has their entire shell wrapped around them, like a giant body of armor.
It is attached to their spine, yes.
But the fact that it's hard shell wraps around the entire body of the turtle is what gives it proper balance from not damaging the spine.

Bowser goes against this.
His shell only hangs on his back, like a hat (think Toc said that before).
It is connected to his spine, probably yes.
But it is severely imbalances because it doesn't wrap around his sides or underbelly.
His belly and sides are made of skin, not the shell.
That puts extreme stress on the spine because it is left to support the weight of the entire shell with its spine alone.

This causes Bowser to sever his spine with any subtle movement or have said spine collapse from the extreme weight.

Turtles prevent this possible threat by evolving the shell to wrap around their entire body. To evenly distribute the weight and prevent too much weight on the spine.

Bowser, on the otherhand, doesn't have that.
That ends up killing him.


So I ask again.
Do you really wanna go into evolution here?
cuz I sure don't wanna T__T
I do!
yet another reason why Ganondorf's sword is so effective against Bowser.
 

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I have something to say that could save Bowser from reality issues.



Look at his shell and the front of his body. Notice something? The shell is completely separated from Bowser's body. Compare him to a tortoise:



Bowser is carrying his shell, but he is not sticked to it. He is more a dinosaur who carries a shell around than a tortoise.



Lucario is part of the human shape group: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Humanshape_(egg_group)

Pokemons in this group share many characteristics with humans. More significant than anything is their erect postures.
 

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No, but there are animals that get improvised shells.

Hermit crabs are an example. Bowser may have found or made that shell.
 

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@Sam

Bowser lost to Ganon cuz people said so.
We don't need evolution here, guys O__0

@Holo

Read the last 2 pages.
Olimar uses his whistle to command Pikmin.


No, but there are animals that get improvised shells.

Hermit crabs are an example. Bowser may have found or made that shell.


I don't think Bowser has ever NOT had that shell on his back :/


EDIT:

@Pikmin hands

Smaller than I recalled, but still enough to claw out the cripple IC's eyes out.
Especially with a psuedo-steroid type spray on em'.
Takes time, yes, but who says Olimar can't outrun cripple kids?
 

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as I've suggested:

he could have a variation on anklyosaurs


in fact...in about every appearance hasnt he been shown with his shell being a tad flexible?
 

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Even back in when Mario was in diapers, Bowser has always had a shell on his back.

RL shells won't bend. Bowser's shell resembles a turtles. Not an anklysoaruosufs or however you say it.
Just because it's the only dino that's displayed a shell doesn't make it Bowser's shell.

@Payas

IRL, you can't kick a turtle out of their shell.
They kinda die that way.

Bowser's never been kicked out of his shell.


@Holo

Enough to let him kill a couple of cripple kids.
If I had to guess though, I'd say he has 15-20 min. worth.
But who knows what kinda gas the Hocotatian breathes.
 

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Even back in when Mario was in diapers, Bowser has always had a shell on his back.

RL shells won't bend. Bowser's shell resembles a turtles. Not an anklysoaruosufs or however you say it.
Just because it's the only dino that's displayed a shell doesn't make it Bowser's shell.

@Payas

IRL, you can't kick a turtle out of their shell.
They kinda die that way.

Bowser's never been kicked out of his shell.
That's what I mean. You can kick a koopa out of his shell because it is not a turtle.

And the shell could have been changed as he grew up.
 

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Olimar has no air supply.


He wouldn't be able to breathe. Olimar isn't from Earth so it's easy to say Oxygen could be poisonous. Look at fish(I know it's not poisonous to them but example).
His little backpack? No. This is about 1-2 minutes MAX of air.
And, he cannot efficiently get it up to his helmet.
 

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Bowser uses superglue obviously.
lol IsmaR that's so funny you are...
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/bowser/bowser_080221a-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/characters/images/bowser/bowser_070703c-l.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser.jpg

Bowser's shell is screwy. Payas description fits him best I think, he's basically a dinosaur carrying it. But he's never been shown taking off his shell. Bowser =/= common koopa.
nvm.
@Sam

Bowser lost to Ganon cuz people said so.
We don't need evolution here, guys O__0
lol no. We made an epic comeback. wtf are you talking about.
and it was continuously talked about for ages.
some people just can't comprehend it.
EDIT: Olimar breathes carbon monoxide.
why? IDK
am I srs? no.
 

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Anklyosaurus don't have shells. And there have been other types of dinosaurs with armor similar to theirs.(Saltasaurus for example)

@Sam: I gotta balance it out. Sry
 

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Olimar fails.
Epically.


Oh and guys THIS MU IS NOT ABOUT BOWSER thank you.


Anyone agree with me on Peach>ICs and ICs>Olimar?
 

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Those are VGs which aren't canon much IRL. >_>
I hope VGs doesn't stand for video games.......
Anklyosaurus don't have shells. And there have been other types of dinosaurs with armor similar to theirs.(Saltasaurus for example)
:)

Olimar fails.
Epically.


Oh and guys THIS MU IS NOT ABOUT BOWSER thank you.


Anyone agree with me on Peach>ICs and ICs>Olimar?
..........
I don't agree....
because....
that muscle degeneration, has been exaggerated....
 

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@Holo

Olimar's air supply isn't that poor.
He'd wouldn't have much time, but he wouldn't have minutes.

1. Gas storage differs from gas to gas.

2. Perhaps Olimar's air tank filters out air to make it breathable.

The 2nd is just a suggestion. Not entirely serious there.

But unless you know what kind of gas he breathes or how much he actually needs to breathe then he has more than enough to kill cripple kids.

And what's this?
Poor sportsmanship by trying to end an arguement before I give a rebuttle?
 

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http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/muscle_weakness.htmSo I read up on Muscle Degeneration some, and I think the one symptom being

"Muscle Overuse" is what's being used, well...

that implies continual overuse with minimal restime that leads to this, as muscles "breakdown" in a sense and build up to increase strength, (hence exercise).
Just because the climbers climb mountains doesn't mean that they do this non-stop, in fact I would contend that their mountain climbing has built them up, making them a force to be reckoned with (kinda- don't bring a hammer to a gun-fight)
...
 

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@Holo

Olimar's air supply isn't that poor.
He'd wouldn't have much time, but he wouldn't have minutes.

1. Gas storage differs from gas to gas.

2. Perhaps Olimar's air tank filters out air to make it breathable.

The 2nd is just a suggestion. Not entirely serious there.

But unless you know what kind of gas he breathes or how much he actually needs to breathe then he has more than enough to kill cripple kids.

And what's this?
Poor sportsmanship by trying to end an arguement before I give a rebuttle?
Uhh...
Yeah
it is.
But I don't care really (look at avatar)
IMO the canon one is smaller than that pic BTW.
It can't filter because in the game it says "Olimar has only 30 days of (air w/e) to live".
And it's not a lot.
Look at it.


Small gas? That may be true. We may not know.
Where does his exhale air (our Carbon Dioxide) go?

Anyway look at his suit
I don't see how it can get to his fishbowl well.
Air is srs bsns. Without it he cannot breathe.
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/sym/muscle_weakness.htmSo I read up on Muscle Degeneration some, and I think the one symptom being

"Muscle Overuse" is what's being used, well...

that implies continual overuse with minimal restime that leads to this, as muscles "breakdown" in a sense and build up to increase strength, (hence exercise).
Just because the climbers climb mountains doesn't mean that they do this non-stop, in fact I would contend that their mountain climbing has built them up, making them a force to be reckoned with (kinda- don't bring a hammer to a gun-fight)
...
Wait.
What does this have to do with a spaceman that can't breathe?
It's a match of who can live longer.
 

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Not being as canon as some of the Mario VGs as it is...but~!



How would Bowser have been able to put that Tux on if he couldn't remove his shell? The fact he is even wearing that tux with his shell on his back suggests he took it off.

The only reason Mario hasn't gotten Bowser out of his shell is because Bowser is bigger than he is. He is to big to push out of his shell by simply jumping on him, and ground-pounding would harbor painful results. Hence why Bowser is never forced out of his shell.

If anything, if he is of the Koopa species, its cartoon physics that are keeping him IN IT.
 
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