TAKE THAT! Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney smashes the prosecution!

[ThunderSageNun]

we also don't get texan and Antonio Banderas in localization

 

[Krankees]

no, besides the quality of the adaptation being debatable, delving into other mediums really doesn't mean anything for a characters chances in Smash. Otherwise we'd likely have a Tales of rep already given how many those receive (just to give an example as there's a lot of games with animated adaptations).

At best, only Pokémon's media affects anything, since the whole thing grew beyond a video game (and more or less gives Sak a general idea which recent Pokémon could fit his design philosophy the best).

Series like Resident Evil and Viewtiful Joe got anime productions, and they sure as heck still aren't playable in here. Plus the Netflix Castlevania series hasn't even helped Trevor Belmont.

Fair enough, just some food for thought.

 

[kirbsmash]

we also don't get texan and Antonio Banderas in localization

That's just 4kids....

 

[3DSNinja]

Still iconic tho.

 

[Hinata]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/board...e/78213641?jumpto=84&utm_source=reddit.com#84

Y'all ready for a grand turnabout?

(for those who can't click the link, it's Verge saying FP5 is not a Namco or Level-5 character)

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

My other most wanted were from Level-5 and Namco, oof.

Well Phoenix is all I really have in the running, so LETS GO PHOENIX!

 

[Flyboy]

Damn, there goes it being my second choice of Heihachi...but my god what if it really is Phoenix?? I don't want to get my hopes up but...

 

[Krankees]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/board...e/78213641?jumpto=84&utm_source=reddit.com#84

Y'all ready for a grand turnabout?

(for those who can't click the link, it's Verge saying FP5 is not a Namco or Level-5 character)

Oh my lord. TBH while I'm sad for the deconfirm, I'm secretly hoping for that leak to be real.

 

[Arctiq]

It's pretty much down to Sora VS Phoenix isn't it? Considering we just got a Square rep, our chances are looking pretty high.

 

[3DSNinja]

Yeah, no on Sora. Geno exists. If anything, Monokuma is our main obstacle.

 

[Arctiq]

Yeah, no on Sora. Geno exists. If anything, Monokuma is our main obstacle.

God I do not want that nightmare teddy in smash. Looking at that thing gives me chills.

 

[Wyoming]

Yeah, no on Sora. Geno exists. If anything, Monokuma is our main obstacle.

Geno is not a guarantee for the next Square character when we have Sora, Lara Croft, 2B, and possibly even Sephiroth as viable options.
Nippon were also disconfirmed, so no need to worry about Danganronpa (not that we needed to, in my opinion)

But there's way more options out there than people are saying. Amaterasu could be a Capcom choice as well, or even an outside shot of Viewtiful Joe.

Not to mention we have some stellar names like Sol Badguy. Dovahkiin, Jonesy, or the possibility they double dipped into a company like Square or SEGA or Microsoft.

It is also possible we were wrong and they reserved a Nintendo character for last.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/board...e/78213641?jumpto=84&utm_source=reddit.com#84

Y'all ready for a grand turnabout?

(for those who can't click the link, it's Verge saying FP5 is not a Namco or Level-5 character)

I do feel if it wasn't Capcom either, he'd likely want to kill it with Namco? Given they were seen as the likeliest 3rd parties to get something next and whatnot. There's obviously still room for something else, but it's good our lawyer boy is still not among the large list of nos so far.

Geno is not a guarantee for the next Square character when we have Sora, Lara Croft, 2B, and possibly even Sephiroth as viable options.
Nippon were also disconfirmed, so no need to worry about Danganronpa (not that we needed to, in my opinion)

But there's way more options out there than people are saying. Amaterasu could be a Capcom choice as well, or even an outside shot of Viewtiful Joe.

Not to mention we have some stellar names like Sol Badguy. Dovahkiin, Jonesy, or the possibility they double dipped into a company like Square or SEGA or Microsoft.

It is also possible we were wrong and they reserved a Nintendo character for last.

wow, NIS owns DR? I had no idea. Disregard this question as someone answered in a later post.
I'd honestly count Sora as Disney given they apparently own all the rights to the KH original stuff however, and I guess it's just the inner CT fan in me but I'd still say Crono isn't entirely off the table for a Square rep (at the very least I wouldn't call him any less unlikely than Geno as they have very similar things going for and against them).

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Nippon were also disconfirmed, so no need to worry about Danganronpa (not that we needed to, in my opinion).

Danganropa is a Spike Chunsoft game, not Nippon Ichi. The games are published by NIS America in the States, but they don't make the games.

 

[3BitSaurus]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/board...e/78213641?jumpto=84&utm_source=reddit.com#84

Y'all ready for a grand turnabout?

(for those who can't click the link, it's Verge saying FP5 is not a Namco or Level-5 character)

BRUH

IS IT REALLY TIME!? AND ON PAGE 77 TO BOOT!?

Keeping expectations in check but God, is this good for us. Newcomer Thread must be a mess rn.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

BRUH

IS IT REALLY TIME!? AND ON PAGE 77 TO BOOT!?

Keeping expectations in check but God, is this good for us. Newcomer Thread must be a mess rn.

With Ultimate's anniversary and the Game Awards being so close, and just now finding out that Wright's chances have increased even more, this track has just started playing in my head...

 

[Krankees]

Geno is not a guarantee for the next Square character when we have Sora, Lara Croft, 2B, and possibly even Sephiroth as viable options.
Nippon were also disconfirmed, so no need to worry about Danganronpa (not that we needed to, in my opinion)

But there's way more options out there than people are saying. Amaterasu could be a Capcom choice as well, or even an outside shot of Viewtiful Joe.

Not to mention we have some stellar names like Sol Badguy. Dovahkiin, Jonesy, or the possibility they double dipped into a company like Square or SEGA or Microsoft.

It is also possible we were wrong and they reserved a Nintendo character for last.

I respect that you're being very cautious about this and not getting your hopes up too high but Nintendo doesn't have much left to choose from for this pass at least. If I remember correctly, (and I hope I am) Sakurai said that he wanted introduce franchises new to the series. While I'm not sure if spirits deconfirm or not, they are already a part of the series being spirits.

I'm confident that Phoenix can beat the other Capcom reps because out of all of them, he has the closest relationship with Nintendo which helps.

I will agree that we still have some big competition, but Dovakhin and Jonesy I don't see as likely or much wanted as other characters. Sol Badguy would be cool, but we already have a fighting game character which doesn't deconfirm but it might hinder his chances. Smash hasn't had more than one company rep so far so I'm not sure if they would start now.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Saw Verge's post and I'm positive that Capcom is fighter 5 with Phoenix Wright. If he were to be announced at TGAs, I think we'll get a tease for fighter 6 in Phoenix's trailer, which will be in the courtroom. Phoenix will defend fighter 6 as his client that he didn't do nothing wrong. Also, I want this remix to be in the game.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

To me, it doesn't remotely look like FP5 is even a third-party at all at the rate it's going. Verge be like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5ArUNyXA4

We can't assume for sure that the next character is going to be too known of a name.

 

[Wyoming]

I will agree that we still have some big competition, but Dovakhin and Jonesy I don't see as likely or much wanted as other characters. Sol Badguy would be cool, but we already have a fighting game character which doesn't deconfirm but it might hinder his chances. Smash hasn't had more than one company rep so far so I'm not sure if they would start now.

You are underselling both. Dovahkiin is Bethesda's baby and they've expressed interest in Smash before. With how influential Skyrim is, it would be a logical TGA reveal.

Jonesy goes without saying. Fortnite went down for a day and I saw it make national news.

As for Amaterasu, her moveset would appeal to Sakurai so I consider her an option.

 

[3BitSaurus]

With Ultimate's anniversary and the Game Awards being so close, and just now finding out that Wright's chances have increased even more, this track has just started playing in my head...

"I've got everything I need!"

Holy crap... this is starting to feel like the Banjo thread after Shinobi. Again, Phoenix is far from the only viable CP5 candidate, but... first he became the frontrunner for Capcom and now he's a frontrunner in general all of a sudden.

This might be the turnabout we were looking for. With almost every major option disconfirmed (the only ones that come to my mind are Arcsys and Sora, assuming his previous disconfirmation was a lie). I can't believe this is happening.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/board...e/78213641?jumpto=84&utm_source=reddit.com#84

Y'all ready for a grand turnabout?

(for those who can't click the link, it's Verge saying FP5 is not a Namco or Level-5 character)

Well, dang it. I really tought that we would get Reiji Arisu (Another of my dream characters), but it's ok, at least Phoenix chances are increasing!

 

[Krankees]

You are underselling both. Dovahkiin is Bethesda's baby and they've expressed interest in Smash before. With how influential Skyrim is, it would be a logical TGA reveal.

Jonesy goes without saying. Fortnite went down for a day and I saw it make national news.

As for Amaterasu, her moveset would appeal to Sakurai so I consider her an option.

But Sakurai is the one who picks the characters from Nintendo's list. In the Terry direct, he said that it doesn't matter if the characters is recognizable but what does matter is if they are interesting. So at least Jonesy doesn't seem interesting to me.

Amaterasu is a good candidate for Capcom so I'm still worried about her.

Sorry for underselling them, I never really play Skyrim and I just don't really like the idea of Fortnite in smash.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

If I remember correctly, (and I hope I am) Sakurai said that he wanted introduce franchises new to the series. While I'm not sure if spirits deconfirm or not, they are already a part of the series being spirits.

I believe that was a misquote from Reggie, not Sakurai. Sakurai said something akin to please as many fanbases as possible by expanding the roster iirc, and that wasn't a literal translation to what he said according to pushdustin. https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1169409252403769344

I'm confident that Phoenix can beat the other Capcom reps because out of all of them, he has the closest relationship with Nintendo which helps.

I will agree that we still have some big competition, but Dovakhin and Jonesy I don't see as likely or much wanted as other characters. Sol Badguy would be cool, but we already have a fighting game character which doesn't deconfirm but it might hinder his chances. Smash hasn't had more than one company rep so far so I'm not sure if they would start now.

in this we agree, putting asides ties with Nintendo, AA just has more games than Okami and Viewtiful Joe combined, and I think they have performed better overall in terms of sales.

Smash hasn't had more than one company rep so far so I'm not sure if they would start now.

While this is true, there was a similar line of thought in the last game that Ryu broke at the end of the day. It could still very well be the case, but it'll depend on how they'll handled further DLCs. If the 3rd party train continues (as I'd hope), there's only so many notable JP 3rd parties left to cover if they don't want to double dip, and it's pretty much fact that Capcom, Square, Sega and Namco have the most notable IPs in that market. We have yet to see if they'll add anymore western reps or Banjo is the exception to the rule (I personally believe they will add some more), but that could also either increase or limit competition for any future slots.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I can't help but feel like if it weren't a Capcom character, Verge would have knocked them and Bamco, as they're the two most speculated companies.

All I know for sure is that I got Ace Attorney music playing constantly in my head.

 

[Arctiq]

I can't help but feel like if it weren't a Capcom character, Verge would have knocked them and Bamco, as they're the two most speculated companies.

All I know for sure is that I got Ace Attorney music playing constantly in my head.

The fact that only individual Capcom characters got shot down is very suspect too.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I can't help but feel like if it weren't a Capcom character, Verge would have knocked them and Bamco, as they're the two most speculated companies.

All I know for sure is that I got Ace Attorney music playing constantly in my head.

For some reason, I also think it's odd that he went for Level-5 as a whole too. Layton was pretty much their undisputed frontrunner, with only Yo-Kai Watch being considered a "respectable" contender. So why disconfirm Level-5 as a whole now?

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I'll say that finishing with a 1st party, even with more DLC confirmed after the pass, would be pretty underwhelming. I feel the only one that'd have made some sense is an Astral Chain rep to help drive some interest/sales, and if they wanted to do that they'd have likely made them fighter 3 or 4. If they're added later down the road, I doubt it'd be in this FP.
And while spirits could mean nothing for a characters chances, I'd believe they at least planned around them for the first batch of DLC, and most of the popular 1st party picks are already in some shape or form among those. This is just my gut speaking, but I doubt they'd go with an odd pick or someone obscure for DLC, the likes of Game & Watch, ROB or Duck Hunt always struck me as strictly base roster material (strictly speaking of 1st parties here).
PS: I'm aware opinions will matter on the subject, but I don't think there's many customers you can attract by adding something like more Mario, Zelda, DK, Pokemon, Fire Emblem or Mother characters, whereas by adding someone from a brand new franchise might gain the attention of someone otherwise not that interested in Nintendo or Smash as a whole, besides maybe helping Nintendo fans gain interest in said series in the process too.

 

[GoodGrief741]

For some reason, I also think it's odd that he went for Level-5 as a whole too. Layton was pretty much their undisputed frontrunner, with only Yo-Kai Watch being considered a "respectable" contender. So why disconfirm Level-5 as a whole now?

Well, if he knows that there won't be a Level-5 character, it's better if he says that. Even if it would obviously be Layton, if he were to phrase it that way, it would lead everyone to believe that Jibanyan or Oliver are getting in.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

I'm already hearing this on my head, now that we have some hope

 

[Wyoming]

Hype responsibly. It's not like he was leaked by anyone!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So I finally finished T&T yesterday and I absolutely adored that trilogy. Instantly one of my favorite series of all times.

I’ve heard the later games are much more disconnected than the original trilogy, and especially that the 3DS games can sometimes rely too much on the past instead of pushing the series forwards, but damn, I’m still excited to play them.

And if these rumors about Fighter 5 from Verge and the like are to be believed, the options are REALLY getting narrowed down, and I agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that it’s strange that specific Capcom characters are getting eliminated while the whole company isn’t.

And as a smooth-ass man once said:

WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THE IMPOSSIBLE, WHATEVER REMAINS MUST BE THE TRUTH!

 

[3BitSaurus]

Hype responsibly. It's not like he was leaked by anyone!

Imagine if five minutes after you post this, Vergeben creates a thread in GameFAQs called "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over" and his only post in it is a gif of Phoenix.

 

[Flyboy]

Imagine if five minutes after you post this, Vergeben creates a thread in GameFAQs called "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over" and his only post in it is a gif of Phoenix.

This would be the only time I'd break that rule because you know the waterworks would hit the moment I see that gif.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Imagine if five minutes after you post this, Vergeben creates a thread in GameFAQs called "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over" and his only post in it is a gif of Phoenix.

I imagine he'd use something more akin to "Take that!" or "Hold it!", as they feel the closest equivalent to Terry's "are you ok!?", but yes, that'd be pretty hype and leave little to no doubt on Phoenixs addition.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Image for if Phoenix is Fighter 5:

Image for if Phoenix is not Fighter 5:

 

[Krankees]

I am honestly very scared right now. I want to be excited but the fear won't let me.

 

[Dukemon102]

With Ultimate's anniversary and the Game Awards being so close, and just now finding out that Wright's chances have increased even more, this track has just started playing in my head...

If he makes it in. I will feel sorry for Captain Falcon. His Knee was outjusticed by the F I N G E R.

 

[Hinata]

I am honestly very scared right now. I want to be excited but the fear won't let me.

I'm right there with you. It's like I said a couple days ago in the Newcomer thread. I'm starting to believe in Phoenix's chances, but I don't want to.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Image for if Phoenix is Fighter 5:

View attachment 249111

no way this is accurate, Von Karma would never celebrate Phoenixs addition on the biggest videogame crossover currently out there
But seriously, my hopes for Phoenix will only dwindle if we only get a Capcom character that's not him post FP, and even then, he's not entirely done with unless the DLC finishes with him nowhere to be seen (or he's randomly dropped as a spirit similar to how RE was handled I guess).