First things first, I'm voting for RR, Ran (though I won't be by the end of this post)
And second it looks like its going to be more beneficial for me to just move the game forward and hopefully off of whatever that back and forth was.
Right now there are three major players that need discussion: RR, Inferno, and Zen. As I'm writing this I really don't think I'm going to be building any massive walls here but it should at least help you get an idea of where my head is at.
I'm adding this line after I finish the Inferno case (and I actually feel comfortable calling it a case, something I didn't expect going into this). I'm going to collapse tag each section to try to keep things a bit clearer than they are as one massive piece of work.
[collapse=RR]Lets start with RR. If I had a gun right now, I'd be pulling the trigger without hesitation. Kary I get that you don't think the slip incident is that big of a deal but when I see that happen it is absolutely DAMNING. There's a very marked difference between a legitimate town mentality and a false one, and in this case the important parts are:
-Scum knows everyone else is town
-Scum is pretending to be town. This means scum has to
think about what they say beforehand, because if they don't they'll be tripping over their own feet all game.
Both of those fit RR's slip to the letter. I've already tried to make it clear that its not the fact that RR only said 'VT' and first, but rather that he caught the mistake and went back to edit it. When you're town (or more specifically, when RR is town. This applies to most players and RR is not except) you aren't thinking 'how could this post be read to make me look bad'. No you're thinking 'okay who's scum and what can I do to find them'. TownRR would have thrown that post out and never given it a second thought, and yet here we are with the edit.
THAT BEING SAID. RR's play overall has been nothing I could really say set off any alarm bells. That doesn't excuse his slip, or even mean I don't want him lynched, it just means I can understand how someone who's not seeing the slip as the obvscum tell like I am would be hesitant to lynch him. If you read this and suddenly see things my way, fantastic! We'll lynch RR and ride off into the sunset (or the next day I guess). But if not, its not something I can really persuade you on. I could repeat my points, sure, but if you're not feeling them that's just how it is.[/collapse]
[collapse=Inferno]Next up on the ol' list is Inferno! Having skimmed this game for a while I had seen a handful of Inferno v Vinyl posts, and they never really seemed like anything to detrimental or scummy. Vinyl is a hard player to put up with, and a hell of a lot of what he does looks like scum due to the fact that most of what he does often makes no sense (Relevant to this: Vinyl we're not mass flavor claiming because that literally would serve no purpose)
But re-reading, D1 what does Inferno do? He wants people to vote for Vinyl. In fact his posts are almost exclusively about Vinyl, often times with a second person in the mix but Vinyl is the only constant. But hey, its a scum read and there's no shortage of evidence supporting his aggression (evidence I would say points more towards Vinyl being a radiant beacon of dumbtown, but I'm not the opinion police). But then D2 rolls around, and Kary asks him if he still thinks Vinyl is going to flip scum.
Vinyl is definitely still a possibility. He wasn't scummy. He wasn't doing anything scummy. However he was voted off and I plan I have ideas on who I think is scum. Let me read over some things and I think I can give you a better answer. It shouldn't take too long because I'm not busy atm.
Honestly my first instinct reading this was 'surely he means Soup' with the mention of 'voted off'. But the question has no mention of Soup. There is no REASON to talk about Soup there, so I can only conclude that he is in fact referring to Vinyl.
Already, I find this HIGHLY suspect that he was so eager to push Vinyl's lynch D1 and suddenly is just like 'eh maybe maybe not we'll see'.
But then, in his next post he flat out says Vinyl is scum. Like not hinting, I'm not going to quote the post for literally one word but RR asks 'Inferno, is Vinyl scum for doing nothing or it is his style of play? It is his intent to be useless to coast?' to which Inferno simply replies 'Yes.' BUT GLYPH MAYBE HE'S JUST ANSWERING THE SECOND HALF OF THAT QUESTION. I
know you boner, he says it more than once in this post.
'Oh hey look. Vinyl is looking at another route to get another towny lynched while hopping on Kary. This doesn't look scummy at all.'
I'm starting to feel like I should have quoted this whole post and just taken what I needed but whatever. The important thing here is he's shifting instantly from 'Vinyl never did anything scummy' to 'look at how scummy Vinyl is'.
And so starts the Vinyl/Inferno slugfest. Vinyl manages to Vinyl the place up really well by not really doing much of anything, and Inferno really dives in and rips all his actions apart. Literally ALL his actions (maybe not literally but still the vast majority of them he finds some fault with).
I would have really liked to get my question directed at him answered first, but since I need to be the hero Taco Bell needs and not the one it deserves I don't really have time to wait. THIS is what I consider to be the most important part of the whole thing. During the whole course of his assault on planet Vinyl (no intelligent life could be found, sadly), it should have become PAINFULLY clear that no one else was on board. No one else was saying 'YEAH Inferno lets lynch Vinyl, he's scum!'. Rather people had Vinyl down as town! So the question now becomes, "Why would Inferno stick to the lynch when its not getting any ground?"
I'm sure if he were to respond, he'd say 'BECAUSE I'M SURE HE'S SCUM', but I don't believe this to be the case. There's always going to be times you think someone is scum, but without the evidence to support your push you're going to make much ground . But you have to realize that your course of action is not only putting town at a standstill, its actually taking attention AWAY from other leads that could potentially be leading towards scum.
So, then, why? Why stick to Vinyl with such fervor?
I can think of several reasons. The one I feel is most likely is that a ScumInferno doesn't really have much hope of swinging any other lynch. Put yourself in his shoes, you're in a game with several high caliber players and they have a tendency to talk over you. Take a look at who we have alive and tell me who you (as Inferno) would push.
I'll wait.
Was it Vinyl? It was?! Surprise!
The other, and actually just as significant as the prior, reason is that pushing Vinyl closes his slot of to scum hunting. While he's on the Vinyl express railroad, he doesn't have to bother with that pesky 'looking for scum' thing. He can just say 'I already found it!' and rip up everything Vinyl throws out since Vinyl's play is really quite easy to paint in a bad light. People will see him doing this and think 'well at least he's scum hunting', but
it doesn't count as scum hunting if you've already decided that everything they say is going to make them scum.
Based off these reasons I think its actually more prudent that Inferno go toDay, and RR toMorrow. [/collapse]
[collapse=Zen]Rounding off the three is old man Zen. I don't think its any surprise that Zen's been a pain in the *** to deal with this game since you literally can never tell if he's being sincere or if its some bull**** gambit to trip someone else up down the line. And the frustrating part of this is looking back at his posts it makes it nearly impossible to pin any one point down as 'scummy' since I don't even ****in know if its legitimate or not.
However, there is one point that I think is enough to feel pretty good about a Zen scum read. At some point and time he's had a scum read on .... god I don't even know but I am pretty sure its every single player slot. If not all, then damned near close to it. And I saw Zen's recent post saying he just does that to make it look like he's going to lynch them to read them, but it ALSO MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHO HE REALLY HAS A SCUM READ ON.
Which means HE KEEPS EVERY. PLAYER. OPEN AS A LYNCH TARGET. Stances? Lol no that was a gambit I actually think we should lynch him. Oh he flipped town? My scum read wasn't real, I just wanted to pressure him.
Zen has left himself so many outs to what he does that it makes me want to puke, and the worst part of it all is he does the same goddamn **** as town so I don't even know what to do. [/collapse]
unvote vote: Inferno
If you for whatever reason don't want to read all that garbage, the tl;dr is I want to lynch Inferno toDay, and RR tomorrow. Zen is also a possibility for tomorrow though **** reading Zen.
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