Taco Bell Mafia: Game over. Who won?

[Vinylic.]

I have no scumbuddy. :/

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

@Kary

Re-cap D1 with glyph and soup interaction, talking about me.
And them look at his post now.

He doesn't need to. I address the reasoning behind the town read on you, and even now I can't look at your play and say 'this is scummy' or 'this is town' because your play doesn't fit those standards. My gut said town, but the connections to RR say scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm Fiesta Taco Salad, Vanilla Townie.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I have no scumbuddy. :/

Hmm, ok.

Do you seriously think that I might be mafia?

Do you think Glyph is more likely to be scum than RR?



@Glyph: I think you may as well claim now, yeah?

 

[Vinylic.]

No, not really. I only asked if.

And I still need to check up on that., but glyph would be scummier. Glyph saying my connections with RR being is a scum doesn't sit right with me. I wanna say that my communications with Ryu on my point of view was weak. I didn't really had interaction with him as much as you, zen, and glyph at most. Sure, I had a few reads on him and I think I did question him, but that was pretty much it.

 

[Vinylic.]

To tell you what, this is the second time and I don't want to mess things up again. I'd rather not interact with glyph's case here and accuse again.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Hmm, ok.

Do you seriously think that I might be mafia?

Do you think Glyph is more likely to be scum than RR?



@Glyph: I think you may as well claim now, yeah?

I'm Volcano Taco, VT.

No, not really. I only asked if.

And I still need to check up on that., but glyph would be scummier. Glyph saying my connections with RR being is a scum doesn't sit right with me. I wanna say that my communications with Ryu on my point of view was weak. I didn't really had interaction with him as much as you, zen, and glyph at most. Sure, I had a few reads on him and I think I did question him, but that was pretty much it.

This may possibly be the first time I've seen OMGUS be truly applicable to a post. You've been pretty solid on a town read on my slot alllllll before today. Then suddenly I'm a viable lynch choice, and not only that but when I put a case out on you then I'm suddenly even scummier than RED RYU.

And if you didn't think Kary was mafia, why did you even ask the question in the first place?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Okay, well I think that brings us to Kary's claim

Kary, I think unless you not only have a PR but a PR with incriminating information, you should consider not claiming in the mass claim for obvious reasons.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Red Ryu, why did the claim order matter? You're a VT, what's going to happen?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't want someone who I think is scum to claim after me, nor anyone else I feel doesn't need to claim.

I didn't want Glyph to get the idea if he claimed later that he had more leeway to claim a fake PR or something.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

sure you weren't just nervous that his claim might incriminate you?

who did Zen visit last night by the way?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Based on his reads before he was either protecting you or Glyph.

That or he was shot at.

But then again it was most likely badwolf picked it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wasn't nervous about incrimination I was worried about him fabricating a safe claim.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

But surely it makes no difference whether Glyph makes up a safe claim before or after you claim?

Or is having your claim hanging over him somehow going to dissuade him?

I can't help but think that this is you worried about it coming down to you vs. Glyph


@RAJAM: Please explain your Vinyl read for me, cheers.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

also I'm finding this game an *** because I've got to pick both scum toDay

 

[#HBC | Kary]

shaking my head at this game.

RR, why are you so confident that Vinyl is town? You realize your Glyph + Rajam reads look real shaky right now, yes?

Glyph, why the hell did you vote Inferno yesterDay, and now think that Vinyl is scum based on connections to Ryu? Did you realize at any point that both the people you've lynched for pushing Vinyl might have been right to push Vinyl?


I don't know what you guys have been reading, but having lynched two townies who thought Vinyl was scum, and actually looked at how sheepish/empty Vinyl's play is, why the hell is he not at the top of your list for scumminess?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vinyl, explain to me why you made both of these posts at the time:

Once more.

I'm Quesidilla, Vanilla Townie.

This is my honest claim here.

We already knew what your claim was, why did you want to repeat it, given that it does not prove anything?

RR currently has a good stance. So that's pretty town. I would expect more.

How did you have a town read on RR, when he had posted so little? What about his stance was it that you liked? (Please show me the post(s) and explain why)

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Glyph, why the hell did you vote Inferno yesterDay, and now think that Vinyl is scum based on connections to Ryu? Did you realize at any point that both the people you've lynched for pushing Vinyl might have been right to push Vinyl?

I'm pretty sure I've answered this already. I voted Inferno because RR was not a viable choice yesterday, and based off his play Inferno was the next best choice. I hadn't looking into connections on RR because all my energy was focused on just getting other people to even look at RR as a lynch candidate.

And I stand by the pushes I made in this game. Their play WAS scummy, but it is absolutely possible, hell even probable, that they were right.


Goddamnit Kary now you've got me feeling guilty for not being on board with Soup and Inferno's pushes but they were not gooooooooood

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Glyph, what did you think of RR before his 'slip' yesterDay? i.e. his play Day 1 and start of D2?

 

[Rajam]

But surely it makes no difference whether Glyph makes up a safe claim before or after you claim?

Or is having your claim hanging over him somehow going to dissuade him?

I can't help but think that this is you worried about it coming down to you vs. Glyph


@RAJAM: Please explain your Vinyl read for me, cheers.

I have yet to read the last 4 pages but here are the notes I've been taking:

Spoiler

BarDulL > Rajam (Nachos Bell Grande, Vanilla Townie)
#266: Good reasoning


DtJ Glyphmoney
#93: Calls WIFOM without a vote?
#142: Why opening the first paragraph with an excuse, despite having “solid” reasoning as shown in #159 and #280?
#376: If Vinyl. Is null why defending him so much then?
#470 - #474: Not liking, why not saying in #417 about the vote he had on soup?
#560: Why asking questions that induce WIFOM? (see Inferno’s #563)


Inferno3044 (Chalupa Supreme, Vanilla Townie)
#438: Is a sarcastic reaction a scumtell? I think that reacting sarcastic is a town-tell after heavy pressure.
#561: After reading this I have a stronger town read on Kary, because I’m feeling him being in more places and pushing things until the very end of D1 is a town tell; in contrast, I’m realizing now too that Glyph hold onto soup and didn’t do anything else, which reinforces my scum vibes of him.
#603: Important point against Vinyl.


Kary
#137: Trying to mind-game scum about if he has a power-role or not? Seems a town-tell
#297, #298: Safe play, not really calling anything scummy
#430: Town vibes
#499: Town vibes
#602: Not scum with Glyph. Probably not scum with Vinyl.


Kawaii Vinyl.
#388: After all the pressure from soup about not doing anything, he follows that trend and shields in it. Don’t like.
#434, #435: Scum vibes
#444: No examples of how Inferno was “tacky”?
#480: I don’t think is scum with Kary
#519: “Convenient” cop targets
#565: Second paragraph, last line. Adding reasons which never existed in 1st place. Scuuum tell (see Inferno’s #568)
#606: Again, no detailing the accusations (no examples)
#619: Why not bring the survival defense immediately when Inferno started the pressure? Also, threatened by Zen? Iirc Vinyl always said he was nut riding him. Last paragraph: Vinyl REALLY needs to start explaining his accusations
#628: …


Ramen King (Mexican Pizza, Town Bodyguard)
#37: Rolefishing
#117: Over-defensive reaction to Ryker?
#189: Town-tell
#303: Doesn’t seem scum with DtJ Glyphmoney
#423: Important point against Glyph
#492: Important post overall
#600: Most likely Zen was wrong when he called Vinyl town because he claimed Vanilla asap before the game even started; I do not agree here with Zen calling Glyph town. Still many options as of why scum-Glyph wouldn’t NKill Zen and/or pressure him to claim his PR.
#637: Ask others what they think of Ryu’s “scumslip”. On first impression it doesn’t seem like anything serious imo.


Red Ryu


Ryker (Beefy Crunchy Burrito, Vanilla Townie)
#51: Ryker stating to leave something aside for no reason?
#116: Doesn’t seem to be scum with Ramen King


soup (Crunch Wrap Supreme, Vanilla Townie)

From there it should be pretty obvious why I think Vinyl and Glyph are scum, and that you are town (and Ryu being null...). If I have to resume, Vinyl is scum because after being called by soup on not doing anything, he still was doing nothing, on purpose imo. It was like a blatant laugh on soup's face, and continued the trend. I think any town would've stepped up at least a little after being called several times on not doing anything, or at least would've tried. Vinyl didn't. After this, we have several times that when Vinyl calls something scummy he just doesn't give any examples, doesn't go further on analysis; he just leaves things there like "for the record". Many accusations are not even scum-tells without providing further reasons, for examples the different meta and tunneling. Last, Vinyl starts adding things on his defense way off-timing. What I mean with this is that Vinyl brings stuff for his defense a lot of time later, for example, when he said he felt threatened by Zen and was not nut-riding him, but never said so in the 1st place when this accusation on him started. The same goes for when Vinyl openly recognized he was playing survival-istic; Inferno called Vinyl for this several times, but he didn't address it until really late. How's that not scummy.


RYU, GLYPH WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS ^?

Sorry for using capitals but I really want the insight of both of you regarding this


VINYL I HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR READ ON GLYPH

Not even sorry for the capitals here lol

kthnksbai gg wp scum

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Rajam, if RR flips scum, who do you want to lynch tomorrow, Glyph or Vinyl?

 

[Rajam]

I haven't even read Ryu to check connections. I'm starting to read his #641 which seems his first serious post. I'd lynch Vinyl because he is scummier than Glyph. That said, I'd prefer to lynch Vinyl toDay. If I had a town read on Glyph, then Ryu would be scum by PoE, but I have a scum read on Glyph and nothing of what Ryu has posted / said so far (although almost nothing) has called my attention in a scummy way.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I hear you, I just don't want to lynch Vinyl toDay and then have you make the wrong decision tomorrow (if indeed it is the wrong decision).

 

[Rajam]

Ryu's reason for suspecting Inferno seems legit in #641

Although he is giving a lot of free pass to Vinyl in there. Ryu, oppinion on my reasons to suspect Vinyl?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

On mobile so I have to be as to the point as possible.

Kary, RR was pretty unremarkable before the slip. At the time he was just a nonpresence when I read, and I think its because of the huge gap where he did nothing but prof dodge and 'accidentally' post using the wrong game.

Rajam, I 100% see where you're coming from and looking at it all together like that paints him in a much scummier light. But seeing it as it happens it is very difficult for me to see the line between dumb and scum, and my gut instict was dumb. Had no other player been a higher priority the entirety of the game, I probably would have looked into him harder and maybe reached the scum read sooner, but that just wasn't the case. I was busy trying to analyze someone else literally all the time.


So bleh. Vinyl toDay is fine as I don't see anyone else fitting the bill at ALL, but I'll be DAMNED if RR lives tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

But surely it makes no difference whether Glyph makes up a safe claim before or after you claim?

Or is having your claim hanging over him somehow going to dissuade him?

I can't help but think that this is you worried about it coming down to you vs. Glyph


@RAJAM: Please explain your Vinyl read for me, cheers.

I simply wanted him to claim first.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Starting to feel Rajam more likely to be town actually. He's analyzing pretty well. Can't see him as scum doing that, or at least his analysis is better than his F&L play, ugg.

I'm between Vinyl who is reading bad town, and Rajam who while inactive stll makes good contributions, at least now. His larger post on Vinyl looks really good. But still I'm sold it's just Vinyl being Vinyl.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Okay. Then who's the scumteam RR?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Glyph + Rajam/vinyl.

Still delving on the later people more.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'm gonna say I go today, then scum wins.

Will answer in a bit.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vinyl, the only damn reason you're alive is because I said so

Don't be threatening me or anyone else with your towniness

Because if this is you being town it's a damn lacklustre showing

Answer my #777, then tell me whether you still think Rajam is #1 scum

 

[#HBC | Kary]

prod dodge because everyone else is V/LA

gonna do one more re-read at some point soon and then lay the hammer down

RR, I'd like to see you make a case against Glyph. I hear that you think he's scum, but I would like you to flesh it out for me, and talk about how your read on him developed

 

[Vinylic.]

My god, I completely forgot about this, lmao.

I only repeated the claim just convince people that I'm really town, not really proving.

 

[Rajam]

Vinyl what do you think of Ryu's "slip" yesterDay (#591, #592)? Two specific questions here:

1.- Between his original post and the next one with the correction there is a gap of three minutes. What do you think of that time gap (do you make anything from that time gap)?

2.- Why do you think Ryu felt the need to make the correction post (#592)? Anything from it?



Same questions for Glyph

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

3 minutes is just the right time frame to make a post, then realize afterwards that you made a massive mistake and scramble to fix it.

Your second question I have gone over and over and over yesterday

 

[Rajam]

Don't you think scum-Ryu, after watching his "slip" in #591, would've left it there, without the edit (#592), praying for no one to see the "slip", and having an excuse ready, in case someone noticed?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

No, I don't. I think he would have done EXACTLY what he did with a panic edit because if anyone DID stumble onto it, he would be left totally open.

Furthermore, townRR would not have even noticed the mistake, which I have already gone into.

 

[Rajam]

No, I don't. I think he would have done EXACTLY what he did with a panic edit because if anyone DID stumble onto it, he would be left totally open.

Furthermore, townRR would not have even noticed the mistake, which I have already gone into.

ok. I'll come back into the issue once Vinyl answer my previous questions.

---

My god, I completely forgot about this, lmao.

I only repeated the claim just convince people that I'm really town, not really proving.

Ryu, do you think someone who is a top candidate to get lynched toDay (and if town, his lynch would most likely mean "game over") could just "forget" the game?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Vinyl I see you posting other places, hurry up and answer their questions so we can actually move forward

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll get to this tonight.