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I'm mostly submitting this one because my best friend has gone on record NUMEROUS times about how him not being an Echo in Ultimate was perhaps the biggest missed opportunity possible.
Third Party Echo Fighter: Liquid Snake
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Liquid Snake is the main antagonist of Metal Gear Solid, and a very important character throughout the series. Created as a clone of the legendary soldier Big Boss (seemingly with his recessive genes), Liquid became a member of FOXHOUND, coming to blows with his fellow clone/twin brother Solid Snake after launching a hostile takeover of Shadow Moses Island in an attempt to gain Big Boss's remains. As I just now noted, Liquid shares a lot of the same traits as Solid Snake by virtue of them both being clones of the same person. Ergo, it wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility to assume that he would be able to fight in much of the same way, albeit with minor differences to set them apart competitively.
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Zack Fair
Zack is from Gongaga and was Clouds good friend, Zack was the wielder of the buster sword before Cloud and knew a lot of the techniques that cloud does.
A potential to move idea is to replace his up special with a modified version of Sephiroth's Octaslash, A Move Zack has used in Crisis Core
Job #164: Ms. Pac-Man
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One of the earliest and most famous female protagonists in gaming and one of the most iconic characters in gaming in general, Ms. Pac-Man would be an echo fighter of Pac-Man. Obviously she would be a Bandai Namco character and from the Pac-Man series. Her status as a Pac-Man clone is one of the few in gaming that rivals even Ken's status as the original clone of Ryu, and her arcade appearance has made her an icon of gaming as stated before. She had also become a major character of the Pac-Man franchise through the Pac-Man World games and other Pac-Man spin off titles.
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Shadow the Hedgehog
The Ultimate Life Form, seen as a rival to Sonic the Hedgehog. Shadow is a character that's been frankly requested for Smash for some time though he did receive a lot of attention during Ultimate, he is a pretty cool character who's got a lot of fans & would be a pretty great echo for the series.
While he would work better as a semi-echo, he can still be creative as a regular echo. Using the same attacks as Sonic but with some strong impact, can deliver extra kicks for his side attacks, teleport for his recovery, and use time stop counter similar to Bayonetta, His final smash can be Super Shadow combine with his Chaos Control to slow down opponents(could be avoided if you stay away from the screen) and end it with a Chaos Blast.
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Jin Kazama (Fighter #81e)
Debuting in Tekken 3, Jin Kazama is the son of Kazuya Mishima and the most pleasant of the Mishima bloodline...which isn't saying much since he literally started WWIII to kill his own parents. Though Kazuya was the initial protagonist of the franchise, that role was slowly turned towards Jin. In Smash Bros, Jin Kazama would be a Ken-level Echo Fighter who uses a lot of the same attacks as his own father, but on the other hand, he has some moves taken from both his normal and Devil forms. His Devil Form is also distinctive, giving him more of a "fallen angel" kind of aesthetic to him. A lot of his moves could be renamed to fit Jin himself, such as "Infernal Destruction" in place of Devil Blaster, "Infernal Annihilation" in place of Heaven's Door, amongst others.
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Illager (Echo of Steve)
The Minecraft Illager are NPCs from Steve's debut game of Minecraft, they act as mobs that work as the antithesis to Steve and the freindly villagers, they are hostile and attack in raids known as Pillager Raids, they have became very popular for taking what made Steve unique (Weapons, Mounts, Enchantments) and made them work against the player.
Illagers due to having a more occult origin will always have iron weapons, but instead of gaining resources for upgrades they can give enchanments to there weapons for a variety of harmful effects such as extra speed, strength, or have fire or wither properties, they would also summon multibel Vexes instead of Elytra, I think the Illagers would make a unique Chrom level Echo. They would also have similiar weight to steve.
Crow/Goro Akechi
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Temporary member of the Phantom Thieves, Crow would be a Joker echo. He is stands to be Joker's rival and handsome foil character. He joins the team after discovering their identities and wishes to change the heart of a fellow colleague. His specials could be mostly unchanged. His gun would act similarly to Joker's. His standard up B remains a grappling hook and his down B acts exactly like Joker's.
His Persona is Robin Hood. Its signature elements are Almighty, Bless and Curse so for his moveset, his side B could either be Megidola, Kouha or Eiha just as Joker uses but the projectile comes from an arrow. For his special up B, those are wing-like things, right?
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Crow's most notable differenxe as an echo would be in his normals. Whether this teeters the line of echo or not, I don't know. His weapon motions would replicate Joker's but with his beam sword. They'd have a longer range to them but perhaps slower due to more weight. Any moves where Joker throws his dagger would simply be replaced (up tilt).
Big Boss (Echo of Snake)
Metal Gear Solid
Big Boss is literally Snake’s dad as his DNA was taken to create several other Snakes (Liquid Snake being one of them). He first appeared as a guide and protagonist in earlier MGS lore but would eventually become an anatagonist in later games. His past is revisited in more modern games with plyers being able to control him in missions. In terms of gameplay, he would be very similar to Snake but with sightly enhanced damage output but with reduced speed. His personality of the stage would be far more gruff and aggressive with quotes like “You’re finished” and “Stay dead.” He would be a far more aggressive and antagonistic Snake; both on character design and gameplay.
While third party characters could potentially be an echo of a first party character, that list is extremely small due to the fact the character must be iconic, important, relative, and representative of the series they are from. Fang the Sniper does not qualify therefore won’t be accepted
A third party echo’s the latest job?
Ol’ Grunty’s right here, so let’s talk shop
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“It’s me, Gruntilda, Banjo and Kazooie’s big bad! There’s no game without me to be had! Kidnapped Tootie for her face so fair, kickstarting the whole saga of the bird and bear. I’m Popular and Wicked when No Good Deed comes from me, which makes me a great chracter to pick, you see? The Legend Spirit on the board, that’s how much I am really adored. I’m all about my style and flair, so my moveset’s rubbish for all I care!”
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“Hey, I can fit the measly frame just fine, but I don’t have a bird of mine! Not an reason why I can’t be repping, the bird and bear I can simulate with a bit of kidnapping. A hostage situation, that’s what I need. Then my moveset will truly be elite!
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A Jinjo I have captured in a cage. It’s weird to use, since I’m a mage. And yet this job requires to rehash, for me to join the Smash! Speaking of my magic, oh you’ll see, I can fire blasts of magic for my Neutral B! A force-field to power through my the special to the side, as the Jinjo powers me in flight?! A fireball or homing spell, I know my projectiles all too well! I can fly up with my broom, so I don’t need the flight path to rival Hero‘s Zoom! Now what with the specials said and done, but the set has only just begun.
The Jinjo’s rash, and I’m not nice! An aggressive hostage-taker is a nice surprise. I will hack and sling and swing and slash, all my moveset’s much more brash. Me and Jinjo we are no team, I’d rather take a slapstick theme. The visuals of an unwilling weapon, who’d ever thought that could ever happen. Well, what can you do, when it’s a puppet and duo in two?”
“If you’re thinking that is cool, then look no further than King K. Rool. The Rare villain, just like me, reimagimed as rival to the D. The king takes the role of DK’s foil, doubling the ape’s moves for trouble and toil:
If I were to Echo the duo of the featherbrain, then I too can get such a personality gain. While the bird and the bear play in accord, that’s not a luxury I can afford. Instead, I’m for power of mecha and mage, keep your enemies closer is my adage. Using the Jinjo failed last time, but that was not without reason or rhyme. Now that I keep one close as a bludgeoning tool, I show evolution much like King K. Rool. Our duo is that of water and oil, which to the bird and bear is the perfect foil. My echoing would very much add to the lore, and my rhyming would be elegance galore. Such a fanfavorite, a roster can’t lack, so tell everybody that Grunty is back!
But, drats, that’s enough with all the showboating: Add me to Infinite, and get to voting!
Here's an idea for Joker's Echo
Yosuke Hanamura
(Persona 4)
While he's technically not the protagonist but considering we put Kasumi as consideration who's a supporting character as Yosuke then so be it (even if her status is pushed by that damn Jane leak), plus he's the founding member of the Investigation Team the "Ryuji" of the team.
Obviously why he can be an echo is simple, he has a kunai for a weapon which is basically Japanese dagger while he usually dual wields it considering that this submission warranted a varied potential like Ken who has noticeable difference in his attack means we could make his way of swinging his weapon look unique while still has the same function.
of course if you already glance at his moveset on the Arena fighting game then you know that he's the more acrobatic out of the bunch, while also spinning his kunai for some of his attack.
Here is the list:Wait, I’m allowed to submit Mecha Sonic? I don’t understand it but I will certainly take advantage of this chance!
Third-party Echo: Mecha Sonic
A robot copy of Sonic the Hedgehog, Mecha Sonic was seemingly created in an effort to make a stronger, sturdier, somewhat slower version of Metal Sonic. He acted as the final boss of Sonic and Knuckles’ Sky Sanctuary Zone, for both characters. He’s quite the unique character, being more militaristic in his design than many other Eggman robots from the Classic era, looking more like something that might come out of the mid-2000’s Sonic games. He is also unique because he can go Super just by standing on the Master Emerald. He has never reappeared since Sonic 3 and Knuckles, only making cameos and appearing in the few rereleases of the game.
HOWEVER, Mecha Sonic got a boost, both in popularity and badassness, when Super Mario Bros Z-a sprite fanimation starring characters from the Super Mario and Sonic series, with narrative and action influence from DBZ-was created and uploaded to the internet by Mark Haynes. Mecha Sonic was re-imagined as a fusion between Metal Sonic, Silver Sonic 2.0, and a fan made metal I forget the name and creator of. He was characterized as a ruthless, brutal, emotionless conquerer of worlds who wiped out Sonic’s home planet in a day, leaving only Sonic and Shadow. This series proves that even a clunky looking character like Mecha can look beautiful in an action packed environment. The series has amassed millions of views, and given inspiration to hundreds, if not thousands of young artists. It may be strange to make such a large point about a (really, really good) fanfiction in a serious echo submission, but to be honest, more people probably know Mecha Sonic from that awesome sprite animation that they watched as a kid, not as the final boss to a Genesis game that hardly gets re-released. He got transformed from a one-off boss in a 90's Sonic game to a cultural icon for Generation Z. (Ok, maybe not THAT big, but still, he's very popular among said Gen Z due to the animation.)
As for how he would play, Mecha Sonic would be an echo of Sonic with very little differences between them-however, Mecha’s animations would be somewhat more brutal to coincide with his more militaristic design. Nothing in his moveset or appearance would be directly based on the aforementioned animation to avoid Smash gray area.
Some may argue that Mecha Sonic's frame doesn't really fit Sonic's but to that I say we haven't really seen this character in the third dimension yet, so he could be reimagined a la Pit in Brawl-made somewhat skinnier to fit better with Sonic's acrobatic animations, but still retaining that intimidating aura from his initial design.
Should he get in? Proabably not. But I mean...just look at this dude and tell me with a straight face you don't want to play as him in a Smash game. He's so freaking cool!!
Mind if I make a suggestion to, oh I don't know, make Blue a third Pokemon Trainer alt? Does anybody else concur? Just lonesome me?Alternate Costume Job
Charizard/Ivysaur/Squirtle/Pokémon Trainer and Lucario
We are having a Pokemon themed alternate costume job. We will be bypassing Lucas tall the way to Olimar but we will be covering them a bit later.
There are a few things to note:
We are accepting four for each charqcter for
We won’t be accepting entirely different costumes for these characters; only recolors. Sorry but no Ninja Squirtle, Armored Charizard, or Focus Band Lucario. This also includes the trainers.
- 4 alts for Charizard
- 4 alts for Squirtle
- 4 alts for Ivysaur
- 4 alts for Pokémon Trainer (2 for the male and 2 for them female)
- 4 alts of Lucario
Please provide the following info for your submission:
- Character name
- Reference material
- Color Slot
- Why this should be included in the game.
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Lucario Alt Color: Zoroark
GameFreak's attempt at making the Lucario of the Unova region, Zoroark is a Dark-type Pokemon with the ability to disguise itself as other Pokemon. While it didn't exactly meet up to the standards of its predecessor, it at the very least was popular enough to become an Assist Trophy.In this alt-color, Lucario becomes a dark grey while its stripes, spikes and braids become a bright red. It also gains a black belly as well, and its eyes change to cyan.
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard):
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Galar Trainer:
Whether you love it or hate it, Pokemon Sword and Pokemon Shield were commercial successes surpassing even Smash Ultimate in both Japan and the West. No, I'm serious, look it up. Besides, we already have SwSh content in Smash already. The colors go as follows:
- Trainer: The Trainer himself gains a dark grey hat with light-grey trims and a red PokeBall symbol, a bright red shirt, midnight-blue jeans and a mahogany-brown backpack, mirroring the male Galar Trainer Victor.
- Squirtle: The little turtlePokemon gains a color based on Sobble, the 1st-stage of the Water Starter evolution line, being a darker-blue shade of skin with a brighter-blue shell underbelly, a yellow shell, and a darker-blue trim on the shell.
- Ivysaur: The flower frog gains a chartreuse alt with a bright vermillion flower and forest-green leaves, making himself reminiscent of Thwackey, the 2nd-stage of the Grass starter evolution line.
- Charizard: Charizard gains colors based on Cinderace, the final stage of the Fire Starter evolution line, being a stark-white alt with a deep-orange underbelly and yellow wing webbing.
Lucario Recolor Mienfoo (Pale) | A fellow fighting type pokemon that knows martial arts, Lucario himself lack a yellow recolor so this Pokemon fit that bill. Recolor is pretty simple, Lucario's blue fur now turn yellow and if you wanna get more unique all of the black on his body turn all magenta. |
Female Pkmn Trainer Recolor Sygna Leaf (Pink) | While most of the trainer recolor are all a reference to other trainer I want one that is particularly catered to themselves, at first I was going with Let's Go Leaf but Ultimately I go with her Sygna Suit from Masters EX since the color is more different. Here her shirt will change color to pink, while she wears shorts underneath that replaces her skirt instead of taking color from that I go on ahead and have her skirt be the color of her jacket which is cyan, the rest is pretty much 1-to-1: her hat turn from white to green and her yellow bag turn silver. |
Male Pkmn Trainer Recolor Sygna Red EX (Blue) | This also applied to Red as well, but while his default Sygna suit has basically the same color palette as his appearance in Smash I instead opted to use his EX form which is based on Mega Charizard X. In this it changes Red's usual red jacket into a complete black same goes with his cap all the whites turn into blue. |
You forgot Rock HowardNewcomer submissions are closed!
Please go here to vote!
Here is the list:
Liquid Snake (Snake Echo)
Zack Fair (Cloud Echo)
Mrs. Pac-Man (Pac-Man Echo)
Shadow (Sonic Echo)
Illager (Steve Echo)
Jin Kazuma (Tekken Echo)
Crow/Goro Akechi (Joker Echo)
Big Boss (Snake Echo)
Professor Pac-Man (Pac-Man Echo)
Jeanne (Bayonetta Echo)
Gruntilda & Jinjo (Banjo & Kazooie Echo)
Yosuke Hanamura (Joker Echo)
Mecha Sonic (Sonic Echo) <-I thought Metal Sonic and this guy were the same
I replaced that with Jin Kazama, BTW.You forgot Rock Howard
well, i seeI replaced that with Jin Kazama, BTW.
Pokemon Trainer Alt: Akari (Black)
As all the current PT alts represent a trainer from each set of games, and someone has already submitted Victor, Akari would logically be the next trianer to represent. Her hat and socks would be white, her shoes would be brown, her hair would be black, her bag would be brown, and her outfit would become dark blue. Her Pokémon would all be black to match her outfit. Charizard would gain it's shiny coloration, Ivysaur's Bulb would become black and Squirtle's Shell would be black, with every other color being more muted.
Name | 3 Points | 2 Points | 1 Point | Total |
Zack | 1 (3) | 0 | 0 | 3 |
Ms. Pac-Man | 9 (27) | 2 (4) | 2 | 33 |
Shadow | 5 (15) | 3 (6) | 3 | 23 |
Jin Kazuma | 1 (3) | 2 (4) | 2 | 9 |
Illager | 2 (6) | 3 (6) | 0 | 12 |
Crow/Goro Akechi | 0 | 2 (4) | 2 | 6 |
Liquid Snake | 1 (3) | 3 (6) | 1 | 9 |
Professor Pac-Man | 1 (3) | 1 (2) | 3 | 8 |
Big Boss | 3 (9) | 3 (6) | 2 | 17 |
Jeanne | 1 (3) | 1 (2) | 2 | 7 |
Gruntilda & Jinjo | 1 (3) | 2 (4) | 5 | 12 |
Yosuke Hanamura | 0 | 2 (4) | 0 | 4 |
Mecha Sonic | 0 | 1 (2) | 2 | 4 |
Be it more in line with Ken where it’s fairly unique to that of Richter. Our next submission is what sort of moveset content would be altered, if any, for the character.Job #164: Ms. Pac-Man
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One of the earliest and most famous female protagonists in gaming and one of the most iconic characters in gaming in general, Ms. Pac-Man would be an echo fighter of Pac-Man. Obviously she would be a Bandai Namco character and from the Pac-Man series. Her status as a Pac-Man clone is one of the few in gaming that rivals even Ken's status as the original clone of Ryu, and her arcade appearance has made her an icon of gaming as stated before. She had also become a major character of the Pac-Man franchise through the Pac-Man World games and other Pac-Man spin off titles.
Huh?HA! Take that, AtGames! You don't matter in our hypothetical Smash game!
It's a long story:Huh?
Sami (Default) | Andy (Red) | Max (Blue) | |
Jake (White) | Grit (Yellow) | Eagle (Grey) | |
Soma Schicksal (God Eater) (Artwork: Gods Eater Burst) Category: Support Type: Neutral Class: Advanced ★★ Ability: Death's Scythe Equipped
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Alisa Ilinichina Amellia (God Eater) (Artwork: Gods Eater Burst) Category: Primary Type: Grab Class: Novice ★ Ability: Sword Attack ↑
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Alphen & Shionne Vymer Imeris Daymore (Tales of Arise) Category: Primary Type: Shield Class: Novice ★ Ability: Fire Attack ↑
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Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria) Category: Primary Type: Grab Class: Advanced ★★ Ability: Fist Attack ↑
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Javier (Advance Wars: Dual Strike) Category: Support Type: Shield Class: Advanced ★★ Ability: Trade-off Defense ↑
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Sturm (Advance Wars) (Artwork: Advance Wars 2: Black Hole Rising) Category: Primary Type: Attack Class: Legend ★★★★ Ability: No Effect
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Haruka Amami (The iDOLM@STER) [Artwork: THE iDOLM@STER LIVE in SLOT!} Class: Ace Type: Primary Neutral, 3 Slot Effect: Improved Escape
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| Immorticia (Plants vs. Zombies Heroes) Class: Ace Type: Support Neutral, 2 Slots Effect: KO's Heal Damage
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While I generally don't like obsessing over or emphasising female characters just for being female, I think Ms. Pac-Man's historical significance would justify a "Women's Roulette" of female protagonists across gaming history. It'd most likely be limited to Namco/Bandai, but it would be a good way to distinguish her roulette from Pac's.I know we're not on a taunt prompt yet, but I think the only taunt I'll see Ms. Pac-Man sharing with her husband is "Namco Roulette", but this time with completely different sprites (existing series) and those from un-represented Namco arcade games, like:
- Walkman (Cutie Q)
- Player Tank (Tank Battalion)
- Monster Fighter (Warp & Warp; player with a gun)
- Fygar (Dig Dug; counterpart to Pooka)
- Chemic (Phozon)
- Hobblin (Libble Rabble; counterpart to Topcup)
- Grobda (Grobda; tank)
- Motos (Motos; player vehicle)
- Toby "Kissy" Masuyo (Baraduke; counterpart to Paccet)
- Albatross (Rolling Thunder)
- Ki (The Return of Ishtar)
- Indiana Borgnine (Tower of Babel)
- Taira no Kagekiyo (Genpei Tōma Den/The Genji and the Heike Clans)
- Pino & Acha (Toy Pop; like Solvalou & Andor Genesis, different sprites)
- Tarosuke (Yokai Dochuki/Shadow Land)
- Amul (Dragon Spirit; in his Blue Dragon form)
- Wonder Momo (Wonder Momo; in her armor)
- Bravoman (Bravoman)
- Yuichiro Tomari (Ordyne)
- Hiromi Tengenji (Burning Force)
- Rick Taylor (Splatterhouse; hence this)
- Chap (Rompers)
- Prince Paco (Marvel Land)
Teru Tendo (The iDOLM@STER sideM) (Artwork: THE iDOLM@STER SideM GROWING STARS) Class: Advanced Type: Primary Attack, 2 Slot Effect: Critical Attack ↑
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Sonja (Advance Wars) Class: Advanced Type: Support Grab, 1 slot Effect: Easier Dodging
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Solaire (Dark Souls) Class: Ace Type: Support Neutral, 2 slots Effect: Shield Damage ↑ Summons:
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| Klonoa Klonoa series Advanced class primary - grab, jump height up, 3 slots Stage: Green Greens Song: Yoshi's Story (64) Opponent: Diddy Kong (blue), blue Kirby Rules: Diddy favours grabs, ring tethers spawn often, black holes will spawn often when only one foe remains |
| Erwin Pac-Man World series Novice class support - energy shot attack up Stage: Omega Norfair Song: Sawmill Thrill Opponent: Mii Gunner (astronaut outfit, no hat) Allies: Yellow Inkling Rules: No-frills battle |
Golvis Pac N' Roll Novice class primary - shield, no trait, 1 slot Song: Pokey Means Business Stage: Mario Galaxy Opponent: K. Rool Rules: You will randomly turn metal, football items spawn often |
| Miru Pac N' Pal Advanced class support - Item gravitation Song: Ms. Pac-Man Stage: Pac-Maze Opponents: Kirby (Red), Kirby (Orange), Kirby (Blue), Kirby (Default) Allies: Ms. Pac-Man (green alt if we give her one) Rules: Food items spawn often, ally favours neutral B. |
| Gee Bee Gee Bee Legend class primary - attack, fist attack up, 2 slots Song: Anthology (Activision Anthology) Stage: Waluigi Pinball Opponent: Ness (bee/Tigers) Rules: Footballs and Beast Balls spawn often, foe has a Franklin Badge and Back Shield, Hostile Pong ATs will spawn |