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To be fair, it went downhill since the existence of Breath of Fire IV and Dragon Quarter (The BoF equivalent of Sonic 06 ).
Well, I wouldn't know about that considering I've only touched the first game.

By the way, I do think people do exaggerate how bad Sonic '06 is. It's just as bad as Sonic Adventure, another pretty mediocre game in the series. Personally in my opinion, Shadow the Hedgehog is worse.
 
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So.....how would you guys react if Mega man and Chun Li got in but we didn't get Saaaaawwwwwnack back? :rolleyes:
I'd be pretty damn pissed.


Street Fighter? M. Bison would be interesting.

For us, the day Bison graced his presence in Smash Bros. would be the most important day of our lives... but for him, it would be Tuesday.
For added effect, if he somehow IS in the game, he needs to be revealed on a Tuesday. :laugh:
 

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So next to Megaman, is Pacman the next most supported third party newcomer? I wonder who the fans would generally support once Megaman is in as another third party newcomer now that Lobotheduck mentions it. I hope Layton would be close to next in line... :x
Again, I think some Pac-Man, some Layton, and some really random (and frequently awful) choices.

But yes, it would be very interesting, and often pure madness.
 

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How about some yummy Juri?

Her craziness makes her a lot less yummy in my eyes.

Sort of how all the Higurashi girls are all a lot less cute once you watch the anime long enough.
 

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probably pac-man (ok choice), cloud (eeewww), and maybe layton (cool), or a second sonic character (no thank you)
 

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Again, I think some Pac-Man, some Layton, and some really random (and frequently awful) choices.
Yeah I suppose your right. Pac Man's support would likely rise if he (or any Namco character) isn't confirmed yet. Layton could also rise up since he has quite the fanbase who would love to see him in smash. What about the likes of Bomberman and Simon Belmont and all? I recall them getting a few requests here and there during the Brawl days... :/
 

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IF Mega Man doesn't get in Smash, this guy can sum up what our responses would be for Sakurai and Cashcom.

 

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So.....how would you guys react if Mega man and Chun Li got in but we didn't get Saaaaawwwwwnack back? :rolleyes:

Normally I would be peeved at a scenario like that, but considering the unknown fate of third party characters, it probably would be justified if we didn't get Sonic back. Preferably, Sonic should come back in order to better flesh out the character and the franchise around him. In Brawl everything related to Sonic was rushed.

Mega Man would compensate for the lose to an extent, but not sure about Chun-Li.
 

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Yeah I suppose your right. Pac Man's support would likely rise if he isn't confirmed yet. Layton could also rise up since he has quite the fanbase who would love to see him in smash. What about the likes of Bomberman and Simon Belmont and all? I recall them getting a few requests here and there during the Brawl days... :/
Yeah, it would mostly be Pac-Man/Layton.

As for Bomberman, as a supporter of his, I have to say his support is dead now. And for Simon Belmont, eh, there's a window open for that, but not much. I think he doesn't have a realistic shot at being playable until the next smash game.
probably pac-man (ok choice), cloud (eeewww), and maybe layton (cool), or a second sonic character (no thank you)
Knuckles would be incredible to play, although he has no shot. I also think Tails would be better than most people think, and I think he'd fit in nicely.
 

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Normally I would be peeved at a scenario like that, but considering the unknown fate of third party characters, it probably would be justified if we didn't get Sonic back. Preferably, Sonic should come back in order to better flesh out the character and the franchise around it. In Brawl everything related to Sonic was rushed.
Yeah, the lack of Toot Toot Sonic Warrior (Which is 7 Chaos Emeralds better than Sonic Boom) and that there were TWO Spin Dash specials for Sonic was disturbing.
 

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That Ryu would be sweet in smash.
IF Mega Man doesn't get in Smash, this guy can sum up what our responses would be for Sakurai and Cashcom.
I prefer to call them Crapcom, because I don't think they're making much cash no more (or at least they won't be, especially in regard to all things Mega Man).
 

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Yeah, the lack of Toot Toot Sonic Warrior (Which is 7 Chaos Emeralds better than Sonic Boom) and that there were TWO Spin Dash specials for Sonic was disturbing.

It was implied that the song You Can Do Anything (Toot Toot Sonic Warrior) was planned, but was scrapped for reasons unknown. Also I still say Sonic should fuse the two Spin Dash attacks into one thing and replaced the side special with a (justifiably) gimped Sonic Boost. Also the other stuff implemented in Project M.
 

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Oh Mario and Luigi have that covered.

Shoryuken!!!!

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Whirlwind Kick!!!

Luigi Cyclone.

Oh so sorry Ryu. Mario and Luigi do all the attacks that matter to you. :troll:
 
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I'm probably one of the few people here that doesn't care if Mega Man makes it in or not.
 

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It was implied that the song You Can Do Anything (Toot Toot Sonic Warrior) was planned, but was scrapped for reasons unknown. Also I still say Sonic should fuse the two Spin Dash attacks into one thing and replaced the side special with a (justifiably) gimped Sonic Boost. Also the other stuff implemented in Project M.
Everything Project M in regards to Sonic should be in Smash Wii U and 3DS... except Shroomed being that good with him! :laugh:
 

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I'm probably one of the few people here that doesn't care if Mega Man makes it in or not.

Well, considering that you're not exactly indulged in a lot of things to begin with, it's kind of understandable. In fact, I'll probably say most people are actually like that; they don't care if something gets in or not at this point. People might say otherwise, but deep down it's true.
 
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Well, considering that you're not exactly indulged in a lot of things to begin with, it's kind of understandable. In fact, I'll probably say most people are actually like that; they don't care if something gets in or not at this point. People might say otherwise, but deep down it's true.
Yeah, that's true.
There's really not much to me in terms of characters that must be added. Whatever happens happens.
 

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Well, considering that you're not exactly indulged in a lot of things to begin with, it's kind of understandable. In fact, I'll probably say most people are actually like that; they don't care if something gets in or not at this point. People might say otherwise, but deep down it's true.
Truth be told, character-wise, the only characters I really am super passionate about are everyone from Brawl (except Pit; I don't care for Pit's moveset potential), Mewtwo, Ridley, Mega Man, Roy, Dixie Kong, and K. Rool.

After that, there's characters I want, but not too much. Plus almost all of the characters we REALLY WANT are already playable or are shoe-ins.

Stage-wise... is a different story. Bowser's castle, a Mario Galaxy stage or two, a Mario Airship stage, an actual DKC 1-3/DK 64 and DKC Returns stage, Skyloft, various Pokémon stages, and a Rainbow Road stage are what I really want. Stuff like Emerald Hill Zone, City Escape, the MGS2 Tanker, the MGS2 Ship, or Grazni Grad from MGS3 would also be excellent.
 

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I seen the entire Brawl vs. Project M Differences Sonic the Hedgehog video and actually agree with everything, except his Light Speed Dash should be the Side Special to rep Sonic Adventure more. Makes me wish SSB4 is as fast paced and trip-less as Melee.
 

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I seen the entire Brawl vs. Project M Differences Sonic the Hedgehog video and actually agree with everything, except his Light Speed Dash should be the Side Special to rep Sonic Adventure more. Makes me wish SSB4 is as fast paced and trip-less as Melee.
I don't want either Smash Wii U or 3DS to be like Melee in that regard (I'd rather them be about 15% slower than Melee), but man, those fast characters need dem combos and flashy moves. Everyone loves to see flash, speed, and all-out aggressive characters/players succeed at high levels of competition at least every once in a while.

Also, everyone loves it when the big, huge, one hit knockout (heavyweight) fighter wins every once a fight, too.

Basically, we want diversity, and we want the diversity to create a balance, maintain balance, and be balanced.

tl;dr: Sonic, Mario, and Bowser for top tier characters so we can have some epicly diverse battles and characters at the top of the tiers! :laugh:
 

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The main problem with balance is how it's influenced by the varies factors out there. Like, the more content implemented will make it harder to balance. The mechanics themselves can influence the balance of the game, sometimes in the most dramatic ways. Characters should have a balanced set of pros and cons to promote all styles of play, instead of leaning towards only one style of play. Not to mention the stages should have a sense of being compromised, regardless of the scenario provided.

Balance is a very tricky thing to do considering the varies stuff presented.
 

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The main problem with balance is how it's influenced by the varies factors out there. Like, the more content implemented will make it harder to balance. The mechanics themselves can influence the balance of the game, sometimes in the most dramatic ways. Characters should have a balanced set of pros and cons to promote all styles of play, instead of leaning towards only one style of play. Not to mention the stages should have a sense of being compromised, regardless of the scenario provided.

Balance is a very tricky thing to do considering the varies stuff presented.
Yeah, but the way the heavies were balanced in Melee and Brawl was dreadful. Bowser, for instance, had literally no consistent offense other than his up B (especially on the ground) and every once in a while his forward air in Melee, and then in Brawl, they nerfed both, and made it to where he was offensively non-existent at the highest level of play.

You gotta give these heavies more offensive moves, ways to play and win successfully, and more outs because quite frankly, their balance in smash thus far has been largely poor (aside from heavies with lots of speed, like Melee Ganondorf, Brawl Donkey Kong, or Brawl King Dedede).
 

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Oh Mario and Luigi have that covered.

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Really, only Luigi has Hadouken covered and his fireball doesn't have anywhere near the range or speed adjustability as the Hadouken. Mario's is like a lesser ranged version of Akuma's air fireball.
 

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The way Super Smash Bros. plays in general does not exactly promote "heavy tank" characters like Bowser.

This is regarding to all of the games, not anything in particular. Being sluggish is also why Link is pretty mediocre in all of the titles.
 

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The way Super Smash Bros. plays in general does not exactly promote "heavy tank" characters like Bowser.
There's many reasons...
1. Those kinds of characters rarely have offensive diversity, specifically weak and reliable strikes.
2. Those kinds of characters almost always have terrible recoveries (the one exemption is King Dedede).
3. Those kinds of characters have little ability to space.

If you give all heavies 2 of those 3 things, they will be much, much, much more balanced and viable.
 

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Yeah, but the way the heavies were balanced in Melee and Brawl was dreadful. Bowser, for instance, had literally no consistent offense other than his up B (especially on the ground) and every once in a while his forward air in Melee, and then in Brawl, they nerfed both, and made it to where he was offensively non-existent at the highest level of play.

You gotta give these heavies more offensive moves, ways to play and win successfully, and more outs because quite frankly, their balance in smash thus far has been largely poor (aside from heavies with lots of speed, like Melee Ganondorf, Brawl Donkey Kong, or Brawl King Dedede).
Part of the problem is that the Smash games, especially Melee, are so heavily biased to fast characters both in terms of speed and frame data. There are easily a number of things that can be done to remedy some of these issues as I've said in the past.

1. Reduce the priority range to 3%. This will let the heavy hitters throw their weight around, also really useful for zoning out the opponent.
2. Give characters actual anti-air moves.
3. Make command grabs inescapable.
4. Give them combos and mixups.
5. Along with everyone else, provide a balanced mix of weak, medium, and strong attacks.
6. All characters MUST have jabs with the same startup.

Not everything can/should be fixed with higher speed or hyper armor.
 

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I still think we are going to be hit with some sort of major curveball with Smash 4's unveil, whether it be characters or some sort of new gameplay feature or gimmick. Every Smash Bros. game released to date has been an escalation over the previous one in terms of scale and hype. I am very interested to see where/how Sakurai escalates things from Brawl. Just another 1.5 weeks of waiting to go...
 

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I agree with dang near everything you said. Making the heavies better in diverse ways is the way to go.
I want Race to the Finish back so much

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It was gone=??? Also, a stage builder for Race to the Finish, Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, etc would be amazing.
 

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I still think we are going to be hit with some sort of major curveball with Smash 4's unveil, whether it be characters or some sort of new gameplay feature or gimmick. Every Smash Bros. game released to date has been an escalation over the previous one in terms of scale and hype. I am very interested to see where/how Sakurai escalates things from Brawl. Just another 1.5 weeks of waiting to go...
If there is a curveball, I want it to be the graphic style. Even though I would love to see all my favorite Nintendo characters in HD, I would be even more blown away if they decided to take a different approach like if they did a graphic style similar to Wario Land Shake It or Muramasa. Either way, I'm sure whatever they come up with will be great. In my opinion, Smash is almost impossible to completely ruin and they'd have to go well out of their way to make it unplayable for me.
 

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I still think we are going to be hit with some sort of major curveball with Smash 4's unveil, whether it be characters or some sort of new gameplay feature or gimmick. Every Smash Bros. game released to date has been an escalation over the previous one in terms of scale and hype. I am very interested to see where/how Sakurai escalates things from Brawl. Just another 1.5 weeks of waiting to go...
Agreed, and I honestly think the 3DS Smash is gonna be something of a show stealer. I imagine the graphics on it will be very comparable to Melee, which would be impressive.

Also, I think we'll get a "shocking" amount of veterans, a few cool stages, and some incredible concepts. Oh, and of course Smash Wii U's HUGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEE leap in graphics will be a wonderful sight to behold, especially with all the amazing graphical and art directions they go with it, and the awesome processing power of the Wii U.
 

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I still think we are going to be hit with some sort of major curveball with Smash 4's unveil, whether it be characters or some sort of new gameplay feature or gimmick. Every Smash Bros. game released to date has been an escalation over the previous one in terms of scale and hype. I am very interested to see where/how Sakurai escalates things from Brawl. Just another 1.5 weeks of waiting to go...

I'm waiting on that too. I'm honestly hoping it isn't in the roster, and I think it probably won't be, considering they need to appeal to the fans and not improving upon/disembowling the roster is a good way to not do that.

However, I expect some big, maor change we aren't expecting, and I can't wait to see it.
 

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I still swear that Ryu Hayabusa is massively overlooked when it comes to 3rd parties, not that I'm openly betting on him or anything.
He would be such a perfect "WTF?" character that literally no human being on planet Earth would see coming. And boy oh boy would he be great to play as.
What i also want is all 64/Melee and Brawl stages.
DLC, DLC, DLC. The same goes with all Brawl stages.

Also, hacks. <3 Brawl Vault, because they have mods of every Smash 64 and Melee stage (minus Mute City [for obvious reasons] and maybe Infinite Glaciers).

Oh, and a great Stage Builder with actual options and stage pieces to recreate all the past stages accurately.
 

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I still think we are going to be hit with some sort of major curveball with Smash 4's unveil, whether it be characters or some sort of new gameplay feature or gimmick. Every Smash Bros. game released to date has been an escalation over the previous one in terms of scale and hype. I am very interested to see where/how Sakurai escalates things from Brawl. Just another 1.5 weeks of waiting to go...
At the moment I'd say it would have something to do with Wii U & 3DS connectivity with anything gameplay (unless it's as major and easy to show off like the Final Smash) related being saved for the Dojo.
 

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He would be such a perfect "WTF?" character that literally no human being on planet Earth would see coming. And boy oh boy would he be great to play as.

DLC, DLC, DLC. The same goes with all Brawl stages.

Also, hacks. <3 Brawl Vault, because they have mods of every Smash 64 and Melee stage (minus Mute City [for obvious reasons] and maybe Infinite Glaciers).

Oh, and a great Stage Builder with actual options and stage pieces to recreate all the past stages accurately.
Uuggghh...DLC :urg: The only ones i'll pay for are Dream Land 64, Hyrule 64, and Mute City
I really hope they don't charge us for new characters too.
 

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^^^ I'm really hyped for Mario Wii U and Mario Kart Wii U!!! :grin:
Uuggghh...DLC :urg: The only ones i'll pay for are Dream Land 64, Hyrule 64, and Mute City
I really hope they don't charge us for new characters too.
It could be free, it could be charged. Regardless, I would pay for any and all Smash DLC.

Also, Nintendo is usually really conservative with their DLC, so I imagine if they have any for Smash, it will be well worth our money.
 
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